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DO YOU ACCEPT JESUS GIFT OF SALVATION BELIEVING HE DIED N ROSE AGAIN FOR YOUR SINS?

  • YES

    Votes: 48 16.4%

  • NO

    Votes: 148 50.5%

  • I ALREADY ACCEPTED JESUS GIFT OF SALVATION BEFORE

    Votes: 62 21.2%

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In my opinion, the way to get to Heaven is found in the New Testament, not the Old Teatament. It’s funny that both come as a package deal. So skip the Old Testament and just focus on the New Testament. It saves a lot of reading time when you realize the Old Testament is outdated in terms of obtaining salvation.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
I can give all kinds of evidence for you claim. Weren't you asking for sources for Creationism?
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Not I. I was expecting some backup for your claim that "archaeological and Scientific evidence also backs up the Biblical stories." Pretty big claim, but pretty poor evidence.
 
well you got to admit, lots of contrite confession and prayer that bust your knees up, is a lot better then the muslim way.


a dozen kilos strapped to your ass going up while your on a bus full of Christians or jews, does kind of seem over kill to "earn ones place" in the afterlife.
 
Kantarii said:
In my opinion, the way to get to Heaven is found in the New Testament, not the Old Teatament. It’s funny that both come as a package deal. So skip the Old Testament and just focus on the New Testament. It saves a lot of reading time when you realize the Old Testament is outdated in terms of obtaining salvation.
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The Old Testament was written to the Jews who were under the law. The books written by Paul are the Gospel of Grace, which is for today. The Old Testament isn't out dated, it's just not written to you, but it is true that we are no longer under the law of the Old Testament. Read Romans and read this first post.
 
phrodeau said:
Not I. I was expecting some backup for your claim that "archaeological and Scientific evidence also backs up the Biblical stories." Pretty big claim, but pretty poor evidence.
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What evidence specifically are you looking for? Evidence for the Resurrection? Can we start there?
 
phrodeau said:
You want to go there? Ok, find me one Old Testament prophecy that says YHWH in human form would die and be resurrected.
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Yes I want to go there. Since I can't post all of the info via the rules, I will post the link to over 100 prophecies from the OT. The truth is on my side and I have nothing to fear. I am not afraid to discuss anything.

Here is the first 2 paragraphs and then follow the link:

The bible was written by God through 40 men in 3 languages over a 1,500 year period. These men lived in different parts of the world, some were rich, some were poor, some were educated, some were not, most didn't know each other, many of them didn’t have access to the other's writings and yet it fits together as if it were written by one person, because it was written by God. It has no true errors or contradictions. There are countless prophecies which have been predicted and fulfilled perfectly in scripture. Many of these prophecies were written hundreds or even thousands of years before they were fulfilled.

The Predictions that Jesus fulfilled in His coming were in the hundreds. The verse on the left is the prediction written hundreds of years before He came and the verse on the right is where it was fulfilled in Jesus Christ’s actual coming hundreds of years later as testified by the actual eyewitnesses. It is impossible that He is not Messiah, Savior of the world. The ONLY person...past, present or future...who could fulfill all these prophecies is Jesus Christ

Fulfilled Prophecy Tenakh/Hebrew
Scripture New Testament

Micah 5:2 His pre-existence John 1:1, 14
Genesis 3:15 Born of the seed of a woman Matthew 1:18
Genesis 12:3 Of the seed of Abraham Matthew 1:1-16
Genesis 12:3 All nations blessed by Abraham's seed Matthew 8:5, 10
Genesis 22:8 God would provide Himself a Lamb as an offering John 1:29
Genesis 49:10 From the tribe of Judah Matthew 1:1-3
Isaiah 9:6-7 Heir to the throne of David Matthew 1:1
Isaiah 9:6 Called "The mighty God, The everlasting Father" Matthew 1:23
Micah 5:2 Born in Bethlehem Matthew 2:1
Isaiah 7:14 Born of a virgin Matthew 1:18
Isaiah 7:14 His name called Immanuel, "God with us" Matthew 1:23
Psalm 2:7 Declared to be the Son of God Matthew 3:17
Malachi 4:5-6 His messenger before Him in spirit of Elijah Luke 1:17
Malachi 3:1 Preceded by a messenger to prepare His way Matthew 11:7-11
Isaiah 40:3 Messenger crying "Prepare ye the way of the Lord" Matthew 3:3
Deuteronomy 18:15 Would be a Prophet of the children of Israel Matthew 2:15
Hosea 11:1 Called out of Egypt Matthew 2:15
Jeremiah 31:15 Slaughter of the children Matthew2:18
Judges 13:5;Amos 2:11;Lam. 4:7 Would be a Nazarene Matthew 2:23
Isaiah 9:1-2 Brought light to Zabulon & Nephthalm, Galilee of the Gentiles Matthew 4:15
Psalm 72:10 Presented with gifts Matthew 2:1, 11

MUCH MORE HERE:

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=5242003&pagenumber=12
 
This is why I find the Old Testament a bit hard to follow. Genesis was written by Noah. How long had the world existed from the time of Adam and Eve until the great flood? I’m pretty sure no one kept books that early in human existence so most everything must have been passed down by word of mouth. I’m also pretty sure no one’s memory is that good to recall every single event, considering in those days people lived for hundreds of years. By the time of the Dark Ages, mankind’s life expectancy was less than a fraction of that.

Point is The New Testament applies more to me in terms of salvation or attaining Heaven. I’m getting there by GPS. (God’s promised son, as told in the New Testament) But that’s me. If anyone knows another way, I’m all ears. 🌷Kant
 
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phrodeau said:
Hello? Can’t anyone find that verse?
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Prophesied hundreds of years before the Birth of Christ:

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Fulfilled in Christ Jesus:

Matthew 1:23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
Prophesied hundreds of years before the Birth of Christ:

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Fulfilled in Christ Jesus:

Matthew 1:23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
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Here's more of the scripture:
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you[c] a sign: The virgin[d] will conceive and give birth to a son, and[e] will call him Immanuel.[f] 15 He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, 16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste.

This prophecy was made over seven hundred years before the birth of Jesus (named Jesus, not Emmanuel), so I'm not seeing how it has any bearing.

I'm sure that those two kingdoms were "laid waste" a few times in those seven hundred years, but it seems a little misleading to say that it would happen before the boy reaches a certain age, instead of saying that it would happen before his birth.

Or do you suppose that those kingdoms were laid waste sometime around 10AD? Here's a chance to produce some archaeological evidence to support the story.
 
phrodeau said:
Here's more of the scripture:
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you[c] a sign: The virgin[d] will conceive and give birth to a son, and[e] will call him Immanuel.[f] 15 He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, 16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste.

This prophecy was made over seven hundred years before the birth of Jesus (named Jesus, not Emmanuel), so I'm not seeing how it has any bearing.

I'm sure that those two kingdoms were "laid waste" a few times in those seven hundred years, but it seems a little misleading to say that it would happen before the boy reaches a certain age, instead of saying that it would happen before his birth.

Or do you suppose that those kingdoms were laid waste sometime around 10AD? Here's a chance to produce some archaeological evidence to support the story.
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Emmanuel literally means "God with us". The verse in Matthew confirms that it was fulfilled. Jesus really was God with us in the flesh as the name suggests. Jesus was given many titles, Wonderful, Councilor, The Mighty God, The Prince of Peace. I think that Emmanuel was a title given to Jesus as well, although His name was Jesus, which is the same name as Joshua in the Old Testament. Joshua means Savior.

Not sure where you are going with the other stuff. Jerusalem was destroyed in 90 AD around 60 years after the Jews rejected their Messiah. Had they accepted Him, it no doubt wouldn't have happened.

Historical writings ARE archaeological evidence and there is plenty of them from Christ's day and shortly after. Did you see them or should I post some of the many of them for you?
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
Emmanuel literally means "God with us". The verse in Matthew confirms that it was fulfilled. Jesus really was God with us in the flesh as the name suggests. Jesus was given many titles, Wonderful, Councilor, The Mighty God, The Prince of Peace. I think that Emmanuel was a title given to Jesus as well, although His name was Jesus, which is the same name as Joshua in the Old Testament. Joshua means Savior.

Not sure where you are going with the other stuff. Jerusalem was destroyed in 90 AD around 60 years after the Jews rejected their Messiah. Had they accepted Him, it no doubt wouldn't have happened.

Historical writings ARE archaeological evidence and there is plenty of them from Christ's day and shortly after. Did you see them or should I post some of the many of them for you?
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There are at least 3 blatant factual errors in this piece. The date is the easy one - you can find the others for yourself. ;)
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
I meant the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 90 AD. That is factually true. What other errors?
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Isaiah 7 has nothing to do with Jerusalem. Ahaz was concerned with the lands of Syria and Ephraim, in the 8th century BC.

Yet another example of you tossing up your own ideas and interpretations rather than addressing the topic being discussed.
 
phrodeau said:
Isaiah 7 has nothing to do with Jerusalem. Ahaz was concerned with the lands of Syria and Ephraim, in the 8th century BC.

Yet another example of you tossing up your own ideas and interpretations rather than addressing the topic being discussed.
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The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times:

Matthew 24:1

1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2“Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
 
ishtat said:
20 years adrift
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Yeah I though it was 90 AD, but according to the web it's 70 AD, which was about 35 years after Christ's death and resurrection. He also said that there would be no stone left upon another and that happened as well because the Romans were looking to take all of the gold from the temple and when they did, they displaced every stone to make sure that there wasn't any gold in between the cracks due to fires that melted much of the gold, thus fulfilling Christ's prophecy that there would be "No stone left upon another". I guess He knew what He was talking about. The whole Bible is full of things like this. That the earth is round, hangs in outer space, astronomy facts that we didn't know until the 1970's are in there and lots of other things.
 
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