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DO YOU ACCEPT JESUS GIFT OF SALVATION BELIEVING HE DIED N ROSE AGAIN FOR YOUR SINS?

  • YES

    Votes: 48 16.4%

  • NO

    Votes: 148 50.5%

  • I ALREADY ACCEPTED JESUS GIFT OF SALVATION BEFORE

    Votes: 62 21.2%

  • OTHER

    Votes: 35 11.9%
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xfrodobagginsx said:
This statement shows that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The whole NT was written by the eyewitnesses who were actually there.

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St. Paul never met Jesus in person, and it's not likely that his writings were dictated to him by anyone who did.
 
phrodeau said:
St. Paul never met Jesus in person, and it's not likely that his writings were dictated to him by anyone who did.
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This is just my opinion but I don't think it is important if Paul met Jesus while he was ministering. Though there is no direct evidence it is interesting how their lives where so close at different times.

First, Paul had been a resident of Jerusalem as a child (Acts 22:3) and was also there years later to approve of Stephen’s stoning (Acts 8:1). The presence of Paul’s nephew in Jerusalem after Paul’s conversion (Acts 23:16) suggests that Paul and his family had resided there for some time. Jesus was known to have visited Jerusalem (Mark 11:11; John 2:13; 5:1). It is quite possible that Paul could have seen Jesus or heard Him speak during one of Jesus’ several trips there.

Second, Paul’s devotion to the Law would have provided him motivation to be present in Jerusalem during Passover—a time where both he and Jesus would have been in close proximity. Third, as a Pharisee, Paul would have been keenly interested in the teaching of a popular, if unconventional, rabbi. As Paul told Herod Agrippa, the things Jesus did were “not done in a corner” (Acts 26:26). Fourth, in one of Paul’s epistles, the apostle hints that he may have had a pre-conversion acquaintance with Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:16), although his statement is far from conclusive.

None of these considerations in any way establish that Paul had seen or heard Jesus personally prior to His atoning death at Calvary. We cannot say for sure whether or not Paul had ever met Jesus.

What is important is what happened on the road to Damascus!:cool:
 
Tryharder62 said:
This is just my opinion but I don't think it is important if Paul met Jesus while he was ministering. Though there is no direct evidence it is interesting how their lives where so close at different times.

First, Paul had been a resident of Jerusalem as a child (Acts 22:3) and was also there years later to approve of Stephen’s stoning (Acts 8:1). The presence of Paul’s nephew in Jerusalem after Paul’s conversion (Acts 23:16) suggests that Paul and his family had resided there for some time. Jesus was known to have visited Jerusalem (Mark 11:11; John 2:13; 5:1). It is quite possible that Paul could have seen Jesus or heard Him speak during one of Jesus’ several trips there.

Second, Paul’s devotion to the Law would have provided him motivation to be present in Jerusalem during Passover—a time where both he and Jesus would have been in close proximity. Third, as a Pharisee, Paul would have been keenly interested in the teaching of a popular, if unconventional, rabbi. As Paul told Herod Agrippa, the things Jesus did were “not done in a corner” (Acts 26:26). Fourth, in one of Paul’s epistles, the apostle hints that he may have had a pre-conversion acquaintance with Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:16), although his statement is far from conclusive.

None of these considerations in any way establish that Paul had seen or heard Jesus personally prior to His atoning death at Calvary. We cannot say for sure whether or not Paul had ever met Jesus.

What is important is what happened on the road to Damascus!:cool:
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If Paul had met Jesus in person, he would have told us so. No doubt about it.
 
Tryharder62 said:
None of these considerations in any way establish that Paul had seen or heard Jesus personally prior to His atoning death at Calvary. We cannot say for sure whether or not Paul had ever met Jesus. [/I]

What is important is what happened on the road to Damascus!:cool:
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If i recall correctly he said it that he only saw him in a vision.

And Paul is overrated, sometimes wrong due to his fanaticism.
 
phrodeau said:
If Paul had met Jesus in person, he would have told us so. No doubt about it.
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I see your point. It is just interesting the intertwining of lives. Who are we living close to that will someday change our lives forever?


EternalFantasies said:
If i recall correctly he said it that he only saw him in a vision.

And Paul is overrated, sometimes wrong due to his fanaticism.
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Well I think Paul is an amazing example of a life changed. He may have been a fanatic to some but he put his money where his mouth is in the way he lived his life after seeing Jesus on the road to Damascus and dying for his beliefs.
 
phrodeau said:
If Paul had met Jesus in person, he would have told us so. No doubt about it.
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Just a thought and I have no proof but what if it is a no brainer that he saw him. Maybe anyone who was anyone at anytime in Jerusalem while Jesus was there could have made that claim. It wasn't "special". Again, no proof. Just a thought. I have thoughts sometimes.:eek:
 
Tryharder62 said:
Just a thought and I have no proof but what if it is a no brainer that he saw him. Maybe anyone who was anyone at anytime in Jerusalem while Jesus was there could have made that claim. It wasn't "special". Again, no proof. Just a thought. I have thoughts sometimes.:eek:
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Crucifixion was pretty common too, at the time.
 
Only if you have only been flatlining for a few minutes can modern medical technology bring someone back from the dead. If the historical Jesus, who by consensus of experts probably existed, did indeed die on the cross, he remained dead. In all likelihood his disciples stole the body and invented the story of the resurrection. And that is the Bog given truth!

Due to his words and ministry he may have been worthy of deification but that does not mean you are a god. But then as gods do not actually exist as beings themselves I suppose it is as close as one can get.

Pretty cool and liberal fellow. Shame that he would be sent to a mental institution today. Unless he showed up in the US and then he would just be a mentally ill homeless person without medical insurance.
 
Hard_Rom said:
If the historical Jesus, who by consensus of experts probably existed, did indeed die on the cross, he remained dead.
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Depends on which experts, and their biases. Last I read, there was no independent corroboration of the existence of Yeshua bir Miriam aka Jesus. It's hard to have a Jesus of Nazareth when Nazareth didn't exist then.

Roman records don't mention Nazareth, nor the alleged events of Jesus' time in Jerusalem -- routing moneychangers, the donkey procession, the demand by Jews for his death, the stations of the cross, et al. John the Baptist is on record, along with many other prophets and messiahs, but no Yeshua. Jesus stories don't appear until decades or centuries later.

A 'census' forcing Yusef and Miriam to return to Bethlehem didn't happen; that's not how the Romans and Sabateans (ie the Herords) operated. No Herod ordered the mass slaughter of infants. And the timelines are wrong.

Yes, the crucified stayed dead. Crucifixions were common; crosses were low so dogs could ravage and desecrate the bodies; death was certain. That was the point, to show the dire consequences of fucking with the occupying troops. Rebels of the Jewish Revolt ('bandits', 'thieves') stayed crucified.

I could go on but it's late. G'night.
 
Hypoxia said:
Depends on which experts, and their biases. Last I read, there was no independent corroboration of the existence of Yeshua bir Miriam aka Jesus. It's hard to have a Jesus of Nazareth when Nazareth didn't exist then.

Roman records don't mention Nazareth, nor the alleged events of Jesus' time in Jerusalem -- routing moneychangers, the donkey procession, the demand by Jews for his death, the stations of the cross, et al. John the Baptist is on record, along with many other prophets and messiahs, but no Yeshua. Jesus stories don't appear until decades or centuries later.

A 'census' forcing Yusef and Miriam to return to Bethlehem didn't happen; that's not how the Romans and Sabateans (ie the Herords) operated. No Herod ordered the mass slaughter of infants. And the timelines are wrong.

Yes, the crucified stayed dead. Crucifixions were common; crosses were low so dogs could ravage and desecrate the bodies; death was certain. That was the point, to show the dire consequences of fucking with the occupying troops. Rebels of the Jewish Revolt ('bandits', 'thieves') stayed crucified.

I could go on but it's late. G'night.
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John the Baptist was only significant in that he was a follower of a man named Jesus and baptized people in his name. He died for his belief. Christians are only called Christians because they believe a man named Jesus. It is 2017 today because we are keeping track of time/years after a man named Jesus died.

My friend, make no mistake there was a man named Jesus who was crucified. Whether you want to believe his resurrection is up to you.

The crucified stay dead that is true..........unless you are God!!!!:cool:
 
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Hypoxia said:
Depends on which experts, and their biases. Last I read, there was no independent corroboration of the existence of Yeshua bir Miriam aka Jesus. It's hard to have a Jesus of Nazareth when Nazareth didn't exist then.

Roman records don't mention Nazareth, nor the alleged events of Jesus' time in Jerusalem -- routing moneychangers, the donkey procession, the demand by Jews for his death, the stations of the cross, et al. John the Baptist is on record, along with many other prophets and messiahs, but no Yeshua. Jesus stories don't appear until decades or centuries later.

A 'census' forcing Yusef and Miriam to return to Bethlehem didn't happen; that's not how the Romans and Sabateans (ie the Herords) operated. No Herod ordered the mass slaughter of infants. And the timelines are wrong.

Yes, the crucified stayed dead. Crucifixions were common; crosses were low so dogs could ravage and desecrate the bodies; death was certain. That was the point, to show the dire consequences of fucking with the occupying troops. Rebels of the Jewish Revolt ('bandits', 'thieves') stayed crucified.

I could go on but it's late. G'night.
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About Nazareth, there has been old maps of the same Bible cities but in today's south lebanon.

Here's something i found:

Virgin Mary: from the town of Qana in south Lebanon?
Posted by: adonis49 on: March 18, 2009
In: biographies/books | Book Review | Christianity | Essays | Jews/Jewish/Israel | Near-East Mediterranean civilization | religion/history | short stories/novellas | women 6 Comments
The Virgin Mary is from the town of Qana in Lebanon; Book Review; (March 17, 2009)
The reverend Father Youssef Yamine has recently published a book in Arabic “Jesus Christ was born in Lebanon”.
The manuscript is of 730 pages and divided into four big chapters:
1. The other Bethlehem in the district of Phoenicia,
2. Who is Christ historically?
3. The Bethlehem of Canaan in the New Testaments, and
4. Christ was born in the district of Phoenicia, and the Virgin Mary is from and was born in Qana (Lebanon).
This voluminous book is packed with documentation, references, maps, and archeological facts. I will reserve details in a series of notes at the end in order to recount smoothly the biography of the extended family of Jesus.

The story of the birth of Jesus goes as follows.
Joachim Omram and Hanna, the parents of the Virgin Mary, were from the village of Qana (ten kilometers south-east of the city of Tyr and at an altitude of 85 meters). This town of Qana was called Qana of Upper Galilee and was within the district of Phoenicia during the Seleucid and early Roman Empires). Joachim was one of the eminent personalities in the town of Qana and the region. He was a priest and had been frustrated because he could not secure any descendents.
Joachim (Yuwakeem) took his sheep to a remote area and fasted and prayed for 40 days. Hanna was also frustrated with this extended absence and decided to take off her black cloth and washed her hair and went out in the garden.
Hanna received an apparition that she will soon get pregnant and that Joachim is on his way home.
Mary was born in Qana and her parents dedicated her to the Great Temple on Mount Carmel (Mount Carmel was also in the district of Phoenicia).
When Mary was 3 years of age, she was interned in the monastery of the Great Temple in Carmel. Mary was one of the 12 virgins of the elite families in the region to be dedicated to serve in the temple and she was named “The Pigeon of Eel (God)“. (The Jews in Judea never allowed girls to serve in temples).
Joseph (future husband of Mary) was also from Qana and one of Mary’s relatives; he was one of the superintendents at the temple and he cleaned, painted and did the various tasks of maintenance.
Mary and Joseph got married and Jesus was born in the village of Bethlehem Tifone by the Carmel, close to the famous city of Dora by the seaside and north of current city of Haifa, within the district of Phoenicia (not in the Bethlehem of Judea).
Mary visited her aunt Elizabeth in Galilee who was 6 months pregnant. Jesus was presented to the Great Temple of Mount Carmel for sanctification. Jesus was lost in the same temple discussing with the priests when he was 12 of years. Jesus studied in the schools of Mount Carmel.
Joseph and Mary lived in Bethlehem by the Carmel. The town of Nazareth did not exist yet and the area was called Nazareth. When Joseph died Mary returned to her hometown of Qana where her father and grandparents were buried.
Jesus spent his youth in Qana.
Jesus was called “Jesus of Mary” to distinguish him from the other Jesus. Mary was also called “the sister of Jacob“: Hanna had remarried after the death of Joachim and gave birth to 4 offspring; the eldest son of Hanna was apparently Jacob.

In the wedding of Qana, where Jesus showed his miraculous power of transforming water into wine, Mary was in her own town and it is Jesus who was invited and came up from Lake Tiberias to join the wedding.
After the wedding, Mary and the brothers of Jesus (Jacob, Joseph, Simon, and Judah) followed him down to Cafarnaom (Capernaum) by the Lake and stayed there for a few days and then joined Jesus’ party from then on.
Qana of Upper Galilee (The Galilee of Nations) was the location where the disciples gathered for a while after the dilapidation of the first martyr Etienne.
Note 1: Mary received the “Good Tiding” from the Archangel while serving in Mount Carmel. Jesus was elevated to Heaven on Mount Carmel. The first church was built on Mount Carmel.
A church was constructedt in the town of Qana by the disciples and the Moslems venerate the tomb of Joachim called “The tomb of the prophet Omran“.
Qana was an important town for many centuries before Christ, and it became the main resting place of the disciples before venturing any further.
When Israel bombarded south Lebanon in 1996 for 15 days, one of the missiles made a large crater, 4 meters off the tomb of the prophet Omran. The excavations uncovered a buried church and the tombs of the family of Omran.
Note 2: Qana is famous today because Israel massacred over 100 civilians and gravely injured 120 when her bombs targeted a UN compound in Qana in 1996. Israel hit that same town again in 2006 and killed 50 more civilians.

Note 3: I may conjecture that Mary retained the title of Virgin because she earned it serving as one of the virgins in the Great Temple. There is this tradition in the Levant to bestow the title of nun and priest for even those who later relinquished their sacerdotal duties.

Note 4: I may be bold to offer another conjecture. Joachim was sterile and Hanna was impregnated by her relative who later became her second husband.

Note 5: Jesus was not Jewish. His family and ancestors were forced by the Jewish King Arestopoulos to abide by Moses’ Law and be circumcised since the year 103 BC.
The Jewish historian of the Jews Josephus never mentioned Jesus or the crucifixion: Jesus was not considered a Jew!

Note 6: Jesus was highly educated. He could speak Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek and Latin. He studied Law and taught Law at the university in Sidon (Lebanon)

Note 7: The name Jesus is also called Emanuel (Amanueel) which mean “Eel (God) is among us”. Thus, “God was made human“.

Note 8: The astrophysicist Reznicoff confirms that the Comet Halley that showed the way to the sages crossed Galilee and not Judea.

Note 9: Jesus was born in the year 7 BC and Caesar’s census was done in the year 10 BC, 3 years before Jesus birth.

The rest can be found here: https://adonis49.wordpress.com/2009...from-the-town-of-qana-in-lebanon-book-review/
 
Nazareth (/ˈnæzərəθ/; Hebrew: נָצְרַת‎, Natzrat; Arabic: النَّاصِرَة‎‎, an-Nāṣira; Aramaic: ܢܨܪܬ‎‎, Naṣrath) is the capital and the largest city in the Northern District of Israel. Nazareth is known as "the Arab capital of Israel".[2] In 2015 its population was 75,726.[1] The inhabitants are predominantly Arab citizens of Israel, of whom 69% are Muslim and 30.9% Christian.[2][3][4][5] Nazareth Illit (lit. "Upper Nazareth") is built alongside old Nazareth, and had a Jewish population of 40,312 in 2014. The Jewish sector was declared a separate city in June 1974.[6]

In the New Testament, the town is described as the childhood home of Jesus,[7] and as such is a center of Christian pilgrimage, with many shrines commemorating biblical events.

James F. Strange, an American archaeologist, notes: "Nazareth is not mentioned in ancient Jewish sources earlier than the third century CE. This likely reflects its lack of prominence both in Galilee and in Judaea."[41] Strange originally calculated the population of Nazareth at the time of Christ as "roughly 1,600 to 2,000 people" but, in a subsequent publication, revised this figure down to "a maximum of about 480."[42] In 2009, Israeli archaeologist Yardenna Alexandre excavated archaeological remains in Nazareth that date to the time of Jesus in the early Roman period. Alexandre told reporters, "The discovery is of the utmost importance since it reveals for the very first time a house from the Jewish village of Nazareth."[43][44]

Other sources state that during Jesus' time, Nazareth had a population of 400 and one public bath, which was important for civic and religious purposes.[45] However of the artifacts uncovered from the area of the bathhouse and dated by historians, or by using radiocarbon dating, none are known to predate the 2nd century AD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazareth
 
phrodeau said:
No, there isn't.
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Yes there is. They can trace it back to at least the 1300 and there is another shroud referenced hundreds of years before that that matches the shroud and is likely the shroud. It's not 100%, but I tend to believe that it really is Christ's burial cloth. Why wouldn't his followers have kept it after He rose from the dead?
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
Yes there is. They can trace it back to at least the 1300 and there is another shroud referenced hundreds of years before that that matches the shroud and is likely the shroud. It's not 100%, but I tend to believe that it really is Christ's burial cloth. Why wouldn't his followers have kept it after He rose from the dead?
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Because it didn't belong to them. According to Mark 15:46 it belonged to Joseph of Arimathea. Jesus didn't need it any more, so it would go back to him. And being a wealthy man, he probably would have returned the shroud and gotten his money back.
 
Sorry, it's a forgery. Sort of like the 15000 tonnes of wood scraps purported to be pieces of the True Cross, and the 745 flaps of jerky supposed to be the foreskin of Jesus. It's a commercial relic.

Reliquary guide points to tall skeleton.

"This is the skeleton of St Barnabas."

Guide then points to infant skeleton.

"And this is the skeleton of St Barnabas as a child."

Coins clink in the donation jar as the pilgrims leave for the next miracle.
 
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