How many of us have actually been rejected for AI reasons?

[NuclearGorilla]

Beep and boop only make up about 33% of my verbs, so it is sort of strange to get flagged.

 

[MillieDynamite]

There are any number of things that might trigger an AI rejection; what those things are, we don't actually know. I can't publish all that fast these days. Not my own stories, for others's not a big deal, for me using my pen name, I don't want a hint of AI about it. Not for something going here. So, I write and rewrite sentences to death. I don't know if it is a good or bad thing that I do. I'm not sure my last variation is better or worse than my first.

 

[AG31]

Beep and boop only make up about 33% of my verbs, so it is sort of strange to get flagged.

Were you flagged? I'm keeping a count.

 

[litfan10]

One thing that concerns me a lot is the future of journalistic writing jobs and copywriting. At some point publishers and clients will think it would be cheaper to just use AI.
That would suck.

 

[Britva415]

One thing that concerns me a lot is the future of journalistic writing jobs and copywriting. At some point publishers and clients will think it would be cheaper to just use AI.
That would suck.

It's already happening. I don't have any doubt at all, based on the way journalistic copy has noticeably changed in the last 18 months.

I couldn't tell you how many journalist jobs have been eliminated, and they already weren't being created at any meaningful rate, but the journalists who do have jobs are clearly enhancing their own productivity with AI.

 

[NuclearGorilla]

Were you flagged? I'm keeping a count.

I think 4/7 of my stories received an AI rejection. A couple stories were rejected multiple times, though. It all blends together over time.

The last two went right through, though they have been taking two to three weeks to publish.

 

[NuclearGorilla]

I think 4/7 of my stories received an AI rejection. A couple stories were rejected multiple times, though. It all blends together over time.

The last two went right through, though they have been taking two to three weeks to publish.

Disregard, I already reported on this thread! I’m even getting my AI forum posts mixed up.

 

[SkyBubble]

Twice, and I have never used AI at all.

 

[CatPerson]

I have ben rejected two times now for the same story. I all ready had 10 published storys beforehand.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

my latest story just got rejected for AI, WTF! I just spent an entire month writing, rewriting and editing this chapter for this crap?! WTF!?

@Manu @Laurel can we get some clarification or something as to how whatever program your using determines what is AI written and what isn't?

Oh fyi? I use google docs only, I do not use anything but an editor @thegoofyproofyreader and a proof reader.

You will likely achieve more if you PM Laurel instead. She doesn't really respond to tagging on the forum. She might not reply to you, but it's the best you can do in the present situation.

Also, maybe you could post a paragraph or two of the rejected story? Maybe there is something we can spot that might help. I understand your frustration, believe me, but that is all you can do right now.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I just resubmitted it, with a not at the bottom AGAIN. @Elayne_Hawke she got rejected for AI use as well and I know damn well she doesn't use it.

Either my proof reading friend and my editor are that damn good or the AI program that's being used to detect AI is broken. There has got to be a better way to do this AI checks.

I know I'm not that good a writer lmao!!

Well, it's not like good writing triggers the rejection, although proper grammar and punctuation might be a factor.
We are all here speculating, but it's possible that certain writing styles trigger whatever tool Laurel uses for these things - hence my suggestion.

 

[AwkwardMD]

From your perspective, that might seem unfair, but try to imagine it from the perspective of the site admin. Every rejected story results in an immediate resubmission that must be re-evaluated from scratch. All previously-rejected submissions get tossed in waiting line, and the trick is to never get rejected in the first place (and I say that as someone who had a story sit pending for 2 months last year).

 

[AG31]

Also, maybe you could post a paragraph or two of the rejected story? Maybe there is something we can spot that might help. I understand your frustration, believe me, but that is all you can do right now.

I'd like to see this done a lot more than it is. I actually don't ever remember anyone giving us a sample of their writing.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

@AwkwardlySet Sample of my newest story. this is just a piece of a 23k word story for my series. this is chapter 4a.

Alison’s perspective


The past few days have been incredibly wonderful! Getting new contacts for the business has been extremely beneficial. The best part has been having my pussy filled with creamy goodness every night by my lover, Brian. Oh god, his dick is so big! Measuring 8 inches in length and with a substantial girth. He satisfies me completely!

After waking up this morning in his arms, I can't resist planting a kiss on his lips after rolling over and seeing his face. As I wake him up, he smiles at me and runs his hand down my body, causing goosebumps to form. Feeling his dick growing harder, pushing against my ass makes me giddy with its feel. Knowing I still have his cum in my pussy and ass from last night, I eagerly push back against him. "Looks like someone is waking up," I say with a smile. "And he feels so amazing. Please fill my willing ass with cream again."

Experiencing the sensation of his cum within me and feeling it trickle down my leg while we attend the convention every day, has been the highlight of my weekend!

“Not today my sexy lady, my dick is craving to fill that pussy up.” he growls, igniting my lust and excitement.

Taking control, he flips me onto my back. "Lay there, I'll be right back." I watch as he leaves the bed and goes to a suitcase. He retrieves two sets of handcuffs, a vibrating dildo, and a pair of nipple clamps. The sight makes me slightly nervous, but I must confess, it arouses me even more.

As he returns to me, he seizes my hands and secures them to the sides of the bed with handcuffs. He then climbs on top of me and slaps my ass hard with his dick. My arousal is evident as my body begins to release juices onto the sheets. He proceeds to massage my thighs, eliciting moans from me, before moving down to my legs. Firmly pressing and kneading them, he causes me to moan even louder. I then feel the restraints around my ankles as he fastens them to the foot of the bed. With my face pressed against the mattress, I hear him turn on the toy, but I'm unable to see where he will use it.

The thought of where he will use it is making me go crazy! With my exposed pussy and ass visible to him, I can feel the dildo running along my ass. As it brushes against my ass crack, I can't help but gasp, hoping for it to enter. Letting out a disappointed moan as it continues to slide down, rubbing against my swollen pussy lips, hitting my clit causes my body to convulse with a small orgasm. As it penetrates my wet pussy, I can only hide my face as my climax intensifies. The sensation of it inside me, vibrating against my g-spot, makes my orgasm grow bigger and bigger with each passing second.

He withdraws from my pussy at a slow pace, causing me to groan in frustration. He teases me, bringing me to the brink of pleasure and then denying me, "Brian, PLEASE! I was almost there!" The sound of his soft chuckle annoys me; all I wanted was to reach climax, DAMN IT!

I responded in a PM. As I said in the PM, there are certain aspects of your writing that I see as potentially triggering for an AI detection tool. Let me know what you decide

 

[AG31]

@AwkwardlySet Sample of my newest story. this is just a piece of a 23k word story for my series. this is chapter 4a.

Alison’s perspective


The past few days have been incredibly wonderful! Getting new contacts for the business has been extremely beneficial. The best part has been having my pussy filled with creamy goodness every night by my lover, Brian. Oh god, his dick is so big! Measuring 8 inches in length and with a substantial girth. He satisfies me completely!

After waking up this morning in his arms, I can't resist planting a kiss on his lips after rolling over and seeing his face. As I wake him up, he smiles at me and runs his hand down my body, causing goosebumps to form. Feeling his dick growing harder, pushing against my ass makes me giddy with its feel. Knowing I still have his cum in my pussy and ass from last night, I eagerly push back against him. "Looks like someone is waking up," I say with a smile. "And he feels so amazing. Please fill my willing ass with cream again."

Experiencing the sensation of his cum within me and feeling it trickle down my leg while we attend the convention every day, has been the highlight of my weekend!

“Not today my sexy lady, my dick is craving to fill that pussy up.” he growls, igniting my lust and excitement.

Taking control, he flips me onto my back. "Lay there, I'll be right back." I watch as he leaves the bed and goes to a suitcase. He retrieves two sets of handcuffs, a vibrating dildo, and a pair of nipple clamps. The sight makes me slightly nervous, but I must confess, it arouses me even more.

As he returns to me, he seizes my hands and secures them to the sides of the bed with handcuffs. He then climbs on top of me and slaps my ass hard with his dick. My arousal is evident as my body begins to release juices onto the sheets. He proceeds to massage my thighs, eliciting moans from me, before moving down to my legs. Firmly pressing and kneading them, he causes me to moan even louder. I then feel the restraints around my ankles as he fastens them to the foot of the bed. With my face pressed against the mattress, I hear him turn on the toy, but I'm unable to see where he will use it.

The thought of where he will use it is making me go crazy! With my exposed pussy and ass visible to him, I can feel the dildo running along my ass. As it brushes against my ass crack, I can't help but gasp, hoping for it to enter. Letting out a disappointed moan as it continues to slide down, rubbing against my swollen pussy lips, hitting my clit causes my body to convulse with a small orgasm. As it penetrates my wet pussy, I can only hide my face as my climax intensifies. The sensation of it inside me, vibrating against my g-spot, makes my orgasm grow bigger and bigger with each passing second.

He withdraws from my pussy at a slow pace, causing me to groan in frustration. He teases me, bringing me to the brink of pleasure and then denying me, "Brian, PLEASE! I was almost there!" The sound of his soft chuckle annoys me; all I wanted was to reach climax, DAMN IT!

I wish I were more adept at articulating why this sounds sort of wooden to me. I wish I could point to what makes it sound that way. I don't know if that is an attribute of real AI generated fiction or not. But that's my reaction. I'll be interested to see if others register their opinions.

 

[AG31]

I responded in a PM. As I said in the PM, there are certain aspects of your writing that I see as potentially triggering for an AI detection tool. Let me know what you decide

Can you share with the rest of us what those aspects are?

 

[AwkwardlySet]

All right. That excerpt you posted isn't that big but I see two aspects that stand out in the sense of possible AI detection triggers.

1. The sentence structure.

2. The dialogue.

There is also some general advice I'd like to offer. There is plenty of telling rather than showing in that scene, especially considering it's a sex scene. It is also probably relevant for AI detection.

1.
There are many declaratory - informative sentences that have some of that "bland" feel we often discuss about AI writing. There are plenty of things you could do to give them some more life.

Also, there is plenty of "cause and effect" in your sentences, as if they were products of engineering rather than art

For example these three sentences:

"As I wake him up, he smiles at me and runs his hand down my body, causing goosebumps to form. Feeling his dick growing harder, pushing against my ass makes me giddy with its feel. Knowing I still have his cum in my pussy and ass from last night, I eagerly push back against him."

Cause and effect in each of them. One thing happens causing the second thing to happen. Now we all have sentences like that, but here there is so many of them in a relatively small excerpt. You should think about wording them differently, about restructuring them. AI, at least what I have seen so far, does tend to write in such a way. I am of course not saying that to allude to anything, but it does seem that you have an engineer's mind in writing

I'll try to give some examples of how it could be done differently.

Say, this sentence - "After waking up this morning in his arms, I can't resist planting a kiss on his lips after rolling over and seeing his face."
It's written like a causal sequence of a sort. You could maybe breathe some life into it by adding emotions, colors, scents, touches.
Maybe something along the lines of:
"In the morning, I woke up in his arms, the touch of his warm breath on the back of my neck making me tingle. I roll over, and I watch his steady breathing and the serene look on his face. Fuck, he looks so cute when he's sleeping. I lean in, the arousing scent of his skin invading my nostrils, and I can't resist planting a kiss on those sweet lips of his." etc etc.

Now this is just a small example. There are a thousand ways this could be said differently (and better) but I wanted to show what I meant.



2.
There isn't much dialogue in that excerpt but even those few lines seem too formal to me. You need to make it more alive in my opinion. Among other things, dialogue gives more life to a scene, and the way you write it, it doesn't really do much of that. It's not too bad, but it could be better, in my opinion. There could be sighs of arousal, moans, screams, verbal expressions of arousal, and so on.

All that being said, I understand that this is the way you write, and that in itself shouldn't be a cause for AI rejections. Also, this is only a small piece of text to form proper conclusions, so I might be way off here.

There are other things I feel I could comment on, but I feel too lazy to write anymore. I hope this was of some help at least.

 

[AG31]

All right. That excerpt you posted isn't that big but I see two aspects that stand out in the sense of possible AI detection triggers.

1. The sentence structure.

2. The dialogue.

There is also some general advice I'd like to offer. There is plenty of telling rather than showing in that scene, especially considering it's a sex scene. It is also probably relevant for AI detection.

1.
There are many declaratory - informative sentences that have some of that "bland" feel we often discuss about AI writing. There are plenty of things you could do to give them some more life.

Also, there is plenty of "cause and effect" in your sentences, as if they were products of engineering rather than art

For example these three sentences:

"As I wake him up, he smiles at me and runs his hand down my body, causing goosebumps to form. Feeling his dick growing harder, pushing against my ass makes me giddy with its feel. Knowing I still have his cum in my pussy and ass from last night, I eagerly push back against him."

Cause and effect in each of them. One thing happens causing the second thing to happen. Now we all have sentences like that, but here there is so many of them in a relatively small excerpt. You should think about wording them differently, about restructuring them. AI, at least what I have seen so far, does tend to write in such a way. I am of course not saying that to allude to anything, but it does seem that you have an engineer's mind in writing

I'll try to give some examples of how it could be done differently.

Say, this sentence - "After waking up this morning in his arms, I can't resist planting a kiss on his lips after rolling over and seeing his face."
It's written like a causal sequence of a sort. You could maybe breathe some life into it by adding emotions, colors, scents, touches.
Maybe something along the lines of:
"In the morning, I woke up in his arms, the touch of his warm breath on the back of my neck making me tingle. I roll over, and I watch his steady breathing and the serene look on his face. Fuck, he looks so cute when he's sleeping. I lean in, the arousing scent of his skin invading my nostrils, and I can't resist planting a kiss on those sweet lips of his." etc etc.

Now this is just a small example. There are a thousand ways this could be said differently (and better) but I wanted to show what I meant.



2.
There isn't much dialogue in that excerpt but even those few lines seem too formal to me. You need to make it more alive in my opinion. Among other things, dialogue gives more life to a scene, and the way you write it, it doesn't really do much of that. It's not too bad, but it could be better, in my opinion. There could be sighs of arousal, moans, screams, verbal expressions of arousal, and so on.

All that being said, I understand that this is the way you write, and that in itself shouldn't be a cause for AI rejections. Also, this is only a small piece of text to form proper conclusions, so I might be way off here.

There are other things I feel I could comment on, but I feel too lazy to write anymore. I hope this was of some help at least.

Thanks! Very informative. Possibly helpful to folks who are bumping into AI rejections.
@Helgamite, if you're inspired to modify your story in these ways, will you let us know if it helped or not?

 

[Lifestyle66]

I doubt my writings will ever be rejected for "intelligence", artificial or otherwise.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I wish I were more adept at articulating why this sounds sort of wooden to me. I wish I could point to what makes it sound that way. I don't know if that is an attribute of real AI generated fiction or not. But that's my reaction. I'll be interested to see if others register their opinions.

I agree, the prose plods along, there's no rise and fall, no inflections. @AwkwardlySet describes it well - it feels like a "constructed" text, like a technical report. There's no sense of the personalities, no feeling.

It's one of those things that is hard to put your finger on, to decompose, to say why the prose is doing what it does, but you just "know". I can see why Laurel bounced it back.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I agree, the prose plods along, there's no rise and fall, no inflections. @AwkwardlySet describes it well - it feels like a "constructed" text, like a technical report. There's no sense of the personalities, no feeling.

It's one of those things that is hard to put your finger on, to decompose, to say why the prose is doing what it does, but you just "know". I can see why Laurel bounced it back.

I am going to strongly disagree on one specific point.

"I can see why Laurel bounced it back."
If you are implying here that you see how an AI-detection tool might have flagged his writing due to his specific style, then yes, I agree with you there. But if you are implying that Laurel bounced it back because it was badly written, then I disagree on many levels.

First of all, the OP's writing is good enough to be here, the way it is right now. There is absolutely no reason for his stories to be rejected unless he is using ChatGPT, which I don't believe he does.

I offered some criticism aimed at avoiding AI detection, but I also went beyond it because I couldn't help myself. I am a person who strongly believes in the concept of improving and I sometimes criticize with the best of intentions without pausing to think about the potential effect. In that sense, I apologize to OP if I was overzealous. I believe he should continue writing to the best of his ability - his readers and followers will likely agree here - and try to find a way to avoid being flagged by using some of the advice offered, or in some other way.

And I am not saying this because doing all that is somehow justified, I am just saying it because that's the reality of publishing on Lit these days. If you get flagged for AI, you are fucked. That's the simple truth of it. There is no making an appeal to the tool Laurel is using. She certainly isn't an AI detection specialist, nor does she have the time to read such stories herself. She uses a tool (as far as we know), and the tool has its obvious limitations. So, fair or not, authors who get flagged need to find a way to get past whatever threshold Laurel has set in the aforementioned tool.

 

[CatPerson]

There is no making an appeal to the tool Laurel is using. She certainly isn't an AI detection specialist, nor does she have the time to read such stories herself. She uses a tool (as far as we know), and the tool has its obvious limitations. So, fair or not, authors who get flagged need to find a way to get past whatever threshold Laurel has set in the aforementioned tool.

That is the problem we have no idea what that thresholds or what to change. If the so called threshold is a stylistic one, than no matter how many times we rewrite parts, or the entire story, it will still be flagged since presumably we are writing it once again using the same style. This in my opinion is the worst case scenario, since at least myself, I am not too keen on changing my own style just to suit an algorithm

If on the other hand it's specific things, like repetition or some key words or word counts by phrase or paragraphs then we can work those out of our stories without changing the way we write. This would then have to be accompanied by some transparency on the part of the Lit staff by giving more information on why a specific story was rejected.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

That is the problem we have no idea what that thresholds or what to change. If the so called threshold is a stylistic one, than no matter how many times we rewrite parts, or the entire story, it will still be flagged since presumably we are writing it once again using the same style. This in my opinion is the worst case scenario, since at least myself, I am not too keen on changing my own style just to suit an algorithm

If on the other hand it's specific things, like repetition or some key words or word counts by phrase or paragraphs then we can work those out of our stories without changing the way we write. This would then have to be accompanied by some transparency on the part of the Lit staff by giving more information on why a specific story was rejected.

I agree with everything you said. It's hard to improve or 'fix' your stories when you have no idea what needs to be fixed. Sure, we all have our guesses here but no one really 'knows'. It creates frustration and a seemingly unsurmountable problem for some authors, but as you can see, there is no change in Lit's policy nor is there any guidance posted.

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

I've never had a story rejected for AI. I have had a few rejected for RS(real stupidity) though.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I've never had a story rejected for AI.

Same thing here, but that doesn't mean I should just say that I don't give a fuck. I am not saying that's your attitude of course, just saying in general, because AH people do show some remarkable indifference towards problems that don't affect them personally.