How do you cope?

[SheDevilShay]

with everyone else? So far I haven't had to deal with alot, but i've had warnings from a couple mom's to be careful if anyone finds out because of CPS investigations where kids were taken away from mom's who lived D/s lifestyle openly.. (and not nessicarily with the Kink, were talking about like religious D/s..)

It wouldn't happen in "my" state like that.. it would take actaul signs of abuse or physical neglect before they could "yank" a child out....

I don't understand why someone would even report someone....

My fear is I don't want to have to hide who I am all the time.. sure I don't call my Dom master in public.. and very rarely in private, usually its Sir, or honey, or even daddy....

I don't understand how people can be so closeminded and judgemental and It worries me...

I am am ember of a group thats for moms... I've been sort of blogging some of my thoughts and feelings on this adventure and had a few christian nuts blast me for my defaming their beliefs in a satanic way.... (huh?)

Tell me I should get therapy and no one should be her husbands doormat... (sighs, submissive does NOT equal doormat... hell even slave doesn't have to equal doormat...)

Has anyone successfully been "them" with out worry? how did you handle your family, your spouses' family, outside people?

I don't feel the need to "spread" what I am unless specifically asked I will reply honestly.. (my Dom has engrained that to remain silent or say untruths even by omission displeases him. so I don't make ahabit of it with anyone at all...though under the right circumstances witht he right person saying piss off doesn't bother me to someone I don't know...)

 

[catalina_francisco]

We haven't had problems simply because we don't go out of our way to emphasis our lifestyle. People notice I am very submissive and respectful to him in a general way, and many comment on how much I do in various ways, but because we are the tyoe people we are, no-one questions it beyond that even with my collar on. I guess part of it is because it has become a part of our life, not something we have to consciously think about all the time, and quite often when I do think about it and start thinking we are not that D/s, in relaity it is more we no longer think about it and things I do which many mainstream women might not are just part of our life. Some people know what our relationship is, some don't. If we were asked by someone we didn't trust, we wouldn't hesitate to find a way of answering which did not give anything away simply because it is sometimes necessary to protect your life and income before beating your chest and feeling compelled to share with anyone and everyone who might feel it their right to know...it isn't, it is our business, our life, and private.

Catalina

 

[SheDevilShay]

We haven't had problems simply because we don't go out of our way to emphasis our lifestyle. People notice I am very submissive and respectful to him in a general way, and many comment on how much I do in various ways, but because we are the tyoe people we are, no-one questions it beyond that even with my collar on. I guess part of it is because it has become a part of our life, not something we have to consciously think about all the time, and quite often when I do think about it and start thinking we are not that D/s, in relaity it is more we no longer think about it and things I do which many mainstream women might not are just part of our life. Some people know what our relationship is, some don't. If we were asked by someone we didn't trust, we wouldn't hesitate to find a way of answering which did not give anything away simply because it is sometimes necessary to protect your life and income before beating your chest and feeling compelled to share with anyone and everyone who might feel it their right to know...it isn't, it is our business, our life, and private.

Catalina

That makes sense... I know my Dom's mother had a very religious D/s lifestyle with her husband and her kids all turned out fine... so I don't understand why people fear it at all... (I do feel the kink stays in the bedroom but the D/s is a seperate thing in my household...)


Edit : I know my family may very well look down on me if they found out... though they wouldn't do anything extreme like call CPS or the cops !!

I just don't have any friends that I can talk to about this really for support or understanding, Im slowly making some online friends who live this lifestyle.. but most of them are Dom's and not subs....and I need people I can relate too...

How do you even find people like this "out" there?

 

[the captians wench]

I'm very open with who I am, you don't like it tought shit.

I used to wear a collar every where, never took it off. I even wore it to work for a while before my boss told me that it was not dress code material. So I started wearing chokers to work. Anyone who asked me about my collar, I'd tell them. Not specifically say that I was owned, but something along the lines of it being an important symble in our relationship.

My mom didn't take to it well at first. But now after two years she's asking for tips and looking at floggers and crops. My brother is embarassed by me, but won't say anything. My sister in law is curious and thinks that I'm some sort of lab rat for her to study. My dad and I have a don't ask don't tell relationship, having a conversation about anything related to sex is like having a conversation with a horny teen age boy about sex. My neice (2) won't speak to me if I'm not wearing a collar, and my nephew (7) thinks it's cool as hell but doesn't quite understand why I would want to wear a dog collar.The rest of my family thinks I'm going thru some sort of goth or biker stage.

I don't hide my bruses, but I don't flaunt them either....well okay if they are from the heart crop I show them off, and mom even took a picture of my ass to send to some one the first time that I had hearts. (I love waking up and seeing those little love marks, especially the heart shaped ones)

The only time I'm really careful is when I talk to minors. Some times I flat out refuse to say anything to a minor if I don't know their parents. I've also become more reserve at work because I was told that was the thing to do. Stil I'll wear a choker in on most days, and if some one asks about something I answer them honestly.

I don't change my behavior just because I'm out in the public eye. But then I don't go around being lead on a leash in places where that's not acceptable. Except for one halloween when the shop that sold my costumes walked me around the mall on collar and leash to show off the "shop chearleader" costume I created.

I'm me, you can accept me, or go fuck yourself, for the most part.

 

[SheDevilShay]

I'm very open with who I am, you don't like it tought shit.

I used to wear a collar every where, never took it off. I even wore it to work for a while before my boss told me that it was not dress code material. So I started wearing chokers to work. Anyone who asked me about my collar, I'd tell them. Not specifically say that I was owned, but something along the lines of it being an important symble in our relationship.

My mom didn't take to it well at first. But now after two years she's asking for tips and looking at floggers and crops. My brother is embarassed by me, but won't say anything. My sister in law is curious and thinks that I'm some sort of lab rat for her to study. My dad and I have a don't ask don't tell relationship, having a conversation about anything related to sex is like having a conversation with a horny teen age boy about sex. My neice (2) won't speak to me if I'm not wearing a collar, and my nephew (7) thinks it's cool as hell but doesn't quite understand why I would want to wear a dog collar.The rest of my family thinks I'm going thru some sort of goth or biker stage.

I don't hide my bruses, but I don't flaunt them either....well okay if they are from the heart crop I show them off, and mom even took a picture of my ass to send to some one the first time that I had hearts. (I love waking up and seeing those little love marks, especially the heart shaped ones)

The only time I'm really careful is when I talk to minors. Some times I flat out refuse to say anything to a minor if I don't know their parents. I've also become more reserve at work because I was told that was the thing to do. Stil I'll wear a choker in on most days, and if some one asks about something I answer them honestly.

I don't change my behavior just because I'm out in the public eye. But then I don't go around being lead on a leash in places where that's not acceptable. Except for one halloween when the shop that sold my costumes walked me around the mall on collar and leash to show off the "shop chearleader" costume I created.

I'm me, you can accept me, or go fuck yourself, for the most part.

This is how I "feel" and it scares me....

I just wish I could find people like this in real life... people that if we wanted to go out and have dinner with, I would have someone to talk to who knew how I felt... I wouldn't know what to say to a normal person.. I never have... its one of the reason's I think I am so anti social.. "normal" people (or society's version of normal which is not nessicarily normal or healthy..) I just can't relate or cope with their thought process.. if I do something wrong I expect apunishment.. if my Dom wants to pinch me for interupting him.. I expect it, I don't expect people to get offended if he does something to me...

It irritates me that people are so judgemental and closeminded... and I don't know how this will work outside of our house... we haven't "lefT" our house together yet.. i've done things for him outside of the house and It is my place.... but I don't know how it will work yet I have alot to learn.

 

[serijules]

Facts of life sweetie, facts of life.

No matter what state you live in, you need to consider and respect the impact your decisions may have on your kid(s). It doesn't matter if it's fair, or right, or judgemental. It's life. Being blatant about your lifestyle choices because you don't think it's any big deal and you know that it has no effect on your parenting skills is the epitome of selfishness in my opinion.

I'm not saying you DO this, i'm saying "IF".

People report what they don't understand because they don't understand it. Many times it isn't intentionally judgemental, they are simply doing what seems right to them, and often out of concern. It drives me nuts as well. We have horses...about 13. Two of them are penned alone because they were rescues and are sickly. We've been trying to nurse them back to health for awhile now. They look ok, are just a bit thin.

The rest of our horses are fat, healthy and fine. They always have water and are fed very early in the AM before I go to work. The hay is usually gone within a few hours and they are content.

Our neighbor CONSTANTLY calls the cops on us, complaining that the horses have no water (the separate ones go into the far end of a large barn to the waterer), that they are too thin (a person with half a brain would realize that two thin horses out of 13 fat healthy ones likely means something other than animal abuse??) and that we "never" have any hay on the property (it's all stacked inside one of the many barns on the property. That's what barns are for?).

It's amusing because we are well known for taking in abused and neglected animals and nursing them back to health. The cops know this. But they have to check out each and every complaint no matter how absurd. It annoys us all.

I'm glad the woman cares though, even if it annoys me that she's so damn stupid.

Part of being a responsible member of the lifestyle is realizing that the world at large doesn't really understand (nor can we expect them to) why some of its members LIKE being beat, humiliated, and led around on a leash.

So we cope by going about our desires the best we can without openly inviting scrutiny by those less enlightened. Wishing it were different gets you nowhere, so I don't even spare it a thought anymore.

 

[SheDevilShay]

Facts of life sweetie, facts of life.

No matter what state you live in, you need to consider and respect the impact your decisions may have on your kid(s). It doesn't matter if it's fair, or right, or judgemental. It's life. Being blatant about your lifestyle choices because you don't think it's any big deal and you know that it has no effect on your parenting skills is the epitome of selfishness in my opinion.

I'm not saying you DO this, i'm saying "IF".

People report what they don't understand because they don't understand it. Many times it isn't intentionally judgemental, they are simply doing what seems right to them, and often out of concern. It drives me nuts as well. We have horses...about 13. Two of them are penned alone because they were rescues and are sickly. We've been trying to nurse them back to health for awhile now. They look ok, are just a bit thin.

The rest of our horses are fat, healthy and fine. They always have water and are fed very early in the AM before I go to work. The hay is usually gone within a few hours and they are content.

Our neighbor CONSTANTLY calls the cops on us, complaining that the horses have no water (the separate ones go into the far end of a large barn to the waterer), that they are too thin (a person with half a brain would realize that two thin horses out of 13 fat healthy ones likely means something other than animal abuse??) and that we "never" have any hay on the property (it's all stacked inside one of the many barns on the property. That's what barns are for?).

It's amusing because we are well known for taking in abused and neglected animals and nursing them back to health. The cops know this. But they have to check out each and every complaint no matter how absurd. It annoys us all.

I'm glad the woman cares though, even if it annoys me that she's so damn stupid.

Part of being a responsible member of the lifestyle is realizing that the world at large doesn't really understand (nor can we expect them to) why some of its members LIKE being beat, humiliated, and led around on a leash.

So we cope by going about our desires the best we can without openly inviting scrutiny by those less enlightened. Wishing it were different gets you nowhere, so I don't even spare it a thought anymore.

I totally understand what your saying... (and no nothing happens in front of our son.. though he did ask me today why I was wearing a new necklace and where my old one went.... we changed my annivsary pendant for a steel collar.. and I just told him because daddy got me a new one and the other one had to be fixed. he didn't have anymore questions...) I don't think he really cares.. nothing goes on that would make him act different then a normal 3 year old...

(we also live out in the country, so were able to have the kind of privacy most people are not.)

we have 4 acre's -- so I know what you mean.. I also do animal rescue as well...

I just don't get the concept of how you can live this lifestyle otuside and balance it naturally so people don't attack you and call you a freak.. (i don't mind it if my son is not with me.. if my son's not "there" there's no way they can say he's being "upset"... I really feel the lifestyle choices of my Dom and I belong to us.. and its "us"...not "our child"... or "our family..... thats the way I see it though I am sure there are many who would disagree...)

I just want to learn how to balance this in a safe way so we can be ourselves all thet ime and not have to pretend to be somethng were not.

 

[catalina_francisco]

This is how I "feel" and it scares me....

I just wish I could find people like this in real life... people that if we wanted to go out and have dinner with, I would have someone to talk to who knew how I felt... I wouldn't know what to say to a normal person.. I never have... its one of the reason's I think I am so anti social.. "normal" people (or society's version of normal which is not nessicarily normal or healthy..) I just can't relate or cope with their thought process.. if I do something wrong I expect apunishment.. if my Dom wants to pinch me for interupting him.. I expect it, I don't expect people to get offended if he does something to me...

It irritates me that people are so judgemental and closeminded... and I don't know how this will work outside of our house... we haven't "lefT" our house together yet.. i've done things for him outside of the house and It is my place.... but I don't know how it will work yet I have alot to learn.

But in saying you hate people who are so judgemental and closed minded, don't you think they could say the same about your view that they should accept your choices and that you wish more people were the same? To me it is just the same only reversed. Everyone makes judgements despite what they say....it is how we survive.

I personally don't find it a barrier to my socialising with people. I have not been a big socialiser at any stage of my life, but when we have to be with other people as we will on the weekend when we have to attend a business dinner, I can quite easily talk to people (well unless they don't speak english which often happens) without feeling unhappy I can't talk about our lifestyle, or feeling restricted in what I can talk about. I have no need or desire to sit and talk to people about what we do in our private life and even if it were more widely accepted, I think instances of punishment etc., are also things which can be carried out in private and do not have to be inflicted on others who may be into D/s but not necessarily feel comfortable with punishment or your particular methods of punishment and hence not appreciate being forced to see or hear it.

Maybe we are different to you but for us it is between us, just us, we don't need anyone else's approval nor do we need to share it with others and have them witness the dynamics of our relationship beyond what is socially acceptable. We don't feel it restricts our life, quite the opposite, nor do we feel upset everyone in the neighbourhood is not in the street flaying their slaves on a Friday night....it just isn't a social focal point for us under any circumstances.

Catalina

 

[serijules]

I just want to learn how to balance this in a safe way so we can be ourselves all thet ime and not have to pretend to be somethng were not.

The thing is though, you are not JUST D/s. You are parents. You are neighbors, brothers, sisters, co-workers, daughters, sons, friends, etc. All of those things are a part of your life too. The only way you could really be "yourselves" without having to make adjustments where those other roles are concerned is to either not be them anymore (in other words, live a fantasy life) or have no respect for the other important people in your life, which I'm sure you don't want to do.

There are outlets available for being "yourself" without worry. Places where family, friends, kids, co-workers, etc are not around. Check out some local clubs and munches and groups. Look to meet people in your area you can socialize with that share your interests. You take advantage of those times to be yourself with no restraints and balance the rest of the times by being realistic and adapting.

I only get to be fully the slave I am...naked, collared, extremely submissive, full of marks and bruises...when Ma'am and I have her house to ourselves when I visit. When the kids are around, or her other subs vanilla partner is a part of our outtings together, I am still her slave. I just am not naked and kneeling at her feet. It doesn't mean I am not being myself when I cannot do these things. Being submissive or being a slave has little to do with being naked and showing marks and crawling around on the floor. The emotional and respectful parts of D/s are always there. It's just the physical stuff you have to adjust.

The "all the time" you are seeking comes from your heart, not your knees.

 

[the captians wench]

Okay maybe I should mention that one, I don't have kids in my house and two I'm just a bit tempermental this morning for some reason. And while I don't change how I am in public, it only affects me and the person(s) I'm with. I've gotten a corrective slap on the ass before, I tend to heel when I walk with a dom in my life (sort of like having an invisable leash), I do little thing like pick up the trash from the table, or grab his drink to refil it if need be, you know those little things you do to take care of your dom that most people wouldn't really notice as d/s (infact I'm so inclined to do so I've pissed off one of my slave friends because this is something she doesn't do in public and I waited on her master just as I would mine).

I do, or did, wear a collar all the time, but don't wear a huge sign that says "I'm his pet/slave/bitch/whatever". I don't change how I act, but I don't wear neon lights to show the world what my lifestyle choices are either.

If you're looking for people to make friends with, I'd sujest looking into any local groups you can find. I know you said that you were out in the country, but maybe you could make a trip to the city for a munch one night a month.

 

[SweetErika]

Which side of the state do you live on, Shay?

If you're on the west side, it's easy to find the local community, though you may have to drive a bit to attend events. The Greater Seattle area, Bellingham, and even the Kitsap Peninsula have thriving BDSM communities.

It's tougher if you're on the east side of the state, but Tri-Cities (and I'm sure Spokane) has a fairly large Swinging community, and I've seen quite a few people who are into BDSM over there on CollarMe and such. I'm sure there are munches and such over there - one may just have to find the right people to contact and really do some searching to find them.

Even if you live a ways out, you may be able to travel to Seattle every now and then to attend events. I know of one club that even lets members and guests stay overnight by special arrangement, if they can't/don't want to get a hotel room.

It was a great help to us to find locals to talk to and learn from. It's basically the only place in real-time where we can share (or don't have to hide) our poly, bi, kinky, sex-positive selves and be welcomed with opened arms.

 

[serijules]

I don't change who I am in public either. I wear a steel collar around my neck with a lock when with Ma'am...it's really not something that can be passed off as jewelry with ease. However, if people ask about it, I don't say "this signifies I am the owned slut and slave of that short black woman over there". I simply tell them it has special and personal meaning.

That's what I'm talking about. You don't have to be any less of who or what you are, but you may need to make adjustments out there if you don't want to deal with the mess that will result otherwise.

I fill Ma'ams plates, fetch her refills, pay for purchases, carry bags, clean up, open doors for her, refer to her as "Ma'am", keep her items in my purse, etc etc. These are all things that don't change regardless of if we are in private or public. The only real difference is I'm not naked while doing them and I don't kneel at times I may otherwise. The opportunities to serve and be "myself" are endless, so I guess I'm a bit baffled at the notion of not being myself just because the atmosphere requires a bit more discretion.

When the kids are home, I still do all the things I normally do. I just do them with a smock on. When the kids are home, I am gagged during play and music is turned on. They really don't impact much that a little common sense doesn't easily fix.

She will slap me if I'm mouthy or address her disrespectfully, regardless of who is around. But she does that with the knowledge and accepting responsibility that it may have consequences, not with the attitude that it should be accepted by anyone who may see.

 

[SheDevilShay]

Which side of the state do you live on, Shay?

If you're on the west side, it's easy to find the local community, though you may have to drive a bit to attend events. The Greater Seattle area, Bellingham, and even the Kitsap Peninsula have thriving BDSM communities.

It's tougher if you're on the east side of the state, but Tri-Cities (and I'm sure Spokane) has a fairly large Swinging community, and I've seen quite a few people who are into BDSM over there on CollarMe and such. I'm sure there are munches and such over there - one may just have to find the right people to contact and really do some searching to find them.

Even if you live a ways out, you may be able to travel to Seattle every now and then to attend events. I know of one club that even lets members and guests stay overnight by special arrangement, if they can't/don't want to get a hotel room.

It was a great help to us to find locals to talk to and learn from. It's basically the only place in real-time where we can share (or don't have to hide) our poly, bi, kinky, sex-positive selves and be welcomed with opened arms.

We currently live on whidby island... but are probably moving up north to mt vernon... (yeah!!) gotta sell our house first.

I am slightly worried about clubs or scene's becuse of social anxiety reason's... (though I trust my Dom not to do anything to emotionally hurt me, I just freak out around ot many people because I get claustraphobic.)

(But i'd still be interested in trying to goto one at least once and see what its like...)

and to the PP... I wear what he selects for me every day. He doesn't expect me to be naked, though do to our pagan stuff, my son is used to nudity and has gone to nude beaches and doesn't think anything about a naked body... (its harder to keep clothes on him then off haha! but he's 3, so I am sure that will change as he ages and goes to school with kids who are different then us.. and I can respect his needs as well...)

I dont' think I clarified specifically.. our child isn't nessicarily the issue or concern here...

Its just figuring out how to do stuff otuside of the house thats us.. and I don't mean the BDSM kink... I mean what makes us us...


and by judgemental.. Iw ouldn't walk up to a christian lady and tell her she's a fucking nut job ebcause she's christian... but i've had them do that shit to be for being pagan....

Judgemental to me, isn't thinking it.. its saying something to the person your viewing.... Thinking somethings normal human behavior... opening your mouth and spewing hatred at someone out of fear or dislike is not the same.

Edit : also just stating your opinion to someone who's not "them" is also not the samet hing as saying it to the person....

I don't hate them... but I dislike how some people behave towards others.

 

[Homburg]

I don't really care, usually. Part of SSC is "consensual" and that extends to not involving people that have not consented in your kinks. That usually means I don't talk about it. If I am asked, for whatever reason, I will judge the person's intent and decide whather to tell them anything, or just to advise them to Google it.

While I may have some urge to discuss it with other people, it is not a common urge. We have one couple that we comfortably will dicuss D/s issues with because they too are part of the lifestyle. That's it.

I have explained some thing about it to a few of my friends, and later regretted doing so rather severely. In fact you could say that doing so in at least one occassion was probably the single largest error of my life, period. Be VERY careful about who you trust with what goes on behind closed doors. In my case, telling someone I trusted some of what was going on resulted in another "friend" going to my Mother, of all people.

So be careful. You never who might be listening, and, worse, you never know who might turn out to be a psychotic backstabbing piece of horseshit.

At least I'm not bitter..... =P

 

[SweetErika]

We currently live on whidby island... but are probably moving up north to mt vernon... (yeah!!) gotta sell our house first.

I am slightly worried about clubs or scene's becuse of social anxiety reason's... (though I trust my Dom not to do anything to emotionally hurt me, I just freak out around ot many people because I get claustraphobic.)

(But i'd still be interested in trying to goto one at least once and see what its like...)

I understand, and think most people have anxiety about venturing into the local community. Just about everyone I've met THOUGHT about going to a club/event for quite sometime, but had to work up the courage to make that a reality. It took me at least a year to get there, and when I finally did, I wondered how I could ever be afraid - it was just SO welcoming, comfortable and utterly safe! At the same time, I know the apprehension was completely normal, and I figured a lot out while I was thinking, rather than doing; it was probably an essential part of my journey, really.

 

[Homburg]

I've met some VERY unpleasant people that I took an instant dislike to, and later foudn out that they were big in the local scene. It has been on eof the reasons why I've avoided it.

I am thinking about hitting a local munch. I've got a couple that I'm friends with that go on occassion, and they it is a wonderful group.

 

[SheDevilShay]

I've met some VERY unpleasant people that I took an instant dislike to, and later foudn out that they were big in the local scene. It has been on eof the reasons why I've avoided it.

I am thinking about hitting a local munch. I've got a couple that I'm friends with that go on occassion, and they it is a wonderful group.

I think that would help.... I don't have "anyone" to talk to.. and after someone who read a journal blog on my site who knew me left me a nasty message to ditch the collar and get a counsellor... thats why I was like hmmm...

I made an anonymous blog on a different site now.. hehe... but trying to figure out how to balance all of this out is whats confusing for me... I don't know who I can trust or not...

 

[myinnerslut]

i recently had a VERY bad experience, with a therepist of all people. i dont want to get into it now, but it made me seriously question who i told what to. my family knows. my close friends know. my roomates know. others just think i am a girlfriend who does far more then expected to please her boyfriend. anyone in the professional world does not and will not find out, as im an education major.

 

[Kierae]

Western Washingon resources (plus google the Wet Spot which is in Seattle and has classes and various activities)

Screams N Whispers

Phoenix Society PNW

PNW Brunch

~kierae

 

[Netzach]

I don't blog my perv on my knitting beading crohn's and specific carbohydrate internets stuff.

It's that simple in some cases. No one cares because only the ones who don't care know. Although I'm certain that the authorities have my life in a file somewhere, it's just not that interesting to them. Other than being a professional top who pretty clearly wasn't banging her johns and being a phone sex operator, and having some debts, I'm a girl scout.

 

[the captians wench]

I don't blog my perv on my knitting beading crohn's and specific carbohydrate internets stuff.

It's that simple in some cases. No one cares because only the ones who don't care know. Although I'm certain that the authorities have my life in a file somewhere, it's just not that interesting to them. Other than being a professional top who pretty clearly wasn't banging her johns and being a phone sex operator, and having some debts, I'm a girl scout.

My ex husband used to like the idea of me getting a job as a phone sex operator....and one day at work a couple of the male managers were looking in the newspaper at jobs and found some ads for phone sex girls. They offered to help me practice.

 

[Netzach]

My ex husband used to like the idea of me getting a job as a phone sex operator....and one day at work a couple of the male managers were looking in the newspaper at jobs and found some ads for phone sex girls. They offered to help me practice.

Creepy!

I could hand you a list of tips and resources if you ever want to revisit it, the biggest issue is finding a reliable way to get paid because there are shady assholes but also great companies. There is a notorious bad company where you "audition" for the boyfriend of the "owner" (vomit) /hijack

 

[SheDevilShay]

Creepy!

I could hand you a list of tips and resources if you ever want to revisit it, the biggest issue is finding a reliable way to get paid because there are shady assholes but also great companies. There is a notorious bad company where you "audition" for the boyfriend of the "owner" (vomit) /hijack

HAha, I always find what you guys have to say interesting, so hijacking in this fashion is more then acceptable it keeps me entertained.. though I am supposed to be in the shower... Im giving myself a couple more minutes then going to go bathe

 

[the captians wench]

Creepy!

I could hand you a list of tips and resources if you ever want to revisit it, the biggest issue is finding a reliable way to get paid because there are shady assholes but also great companies. There is a notorious bad company where you "audition" for the boyfriend of the "owner" (vomit) /hijack

Actually they were pretty hot so I wouldn't have minded too much.

I think this one tho would make my mom freak....I put her thru so much already, think I need to give her a little time for everything to sink in again before she gets another shock like that.

 

[Homburg]

I knew a woman that did phone sex. Oh mah goodness, she had the hottest voice. I'm not one for phone sex, but I could listen to her talk about WoW on Teamspeak and get shivers up my back. It didn't matter what she was saying, it sounded like pure sex.

No idea what happened to her.