How can America have BROADLY SHARED prosperity once again?

[Politruk]

The mid-1940s through the mid-1970s was a time when the difference between the American working class and the middle class faded, because it was possible for a white man, at least, with only a high-school education to earn a middle-class income through manual labor. That will not happen again in our lifetime. Between them, automation, offshoring, and the decline of organized labor have eliminated too many of the high-wage, low-skill manufacturing jobs.

Trump got elected by playing on working-class resentment of this situation -- but he never had any clue as to a solution.

Is there one? Can anything be done about this?

 

[Politruk]

Does anyone have any ideas at all?

 

[UltraChad]

America will have to get broadly productive again.

If you want wealth and prosperity you must allow the people to produce value.....something you HATE.

No free lunches bud.

 

[ll74]

Productivity requires people to work every hour of every day.


Get to work comrade.

 

[UltraChad]

Productivity requires people to work every hour of every day.


Get to work comrade.

Nope. Not even.

It requires all the anti-work/anti-business, anti-freedom of association bullshit from the left to stop.

Let people work, stop being such Karens.

 

[ll74]

Nope. Not even.

It requires all the anti-work/anti-business, anti-freedom of association bullshit from the left to stop.

Let people work, stop being such Karens.

Dipshit has an opinion

 

[Bn2f]

The mid-1940s through the mid-1970s was a time when the difference between the American working class and the middle class faded, because it was possible for a white man, at least, with only a high-school education to earn a middle-class income through manual labor. That will not happen again in our lifetime. Between them, automation, offshoring, and the decline of organized labor have eliminated too many of the high-wage, low-skill manufacturing jobs.

Trump got elected by playing on working-class resentment of this situation -- but he never had any clue as to a solution.

Is there one? Can anything be done about this?

You frustrate me - not all the time, but still enough with posts like these.
You will never get your answer because, as bright as you can be, whether you realize or not, you view American prosperity through the eyes of a white male and in this post a white male from the 1950’s.

 

[Bn2f]

Does anyone have any ideas at all?

You’re free to reply back to my criticism but I didn’t post to argue but for you to do better or at least be aware of what you are asking.
Look who came to answer your clarion call to white male grievance? And did he give you an answer? No. No he didn’t. The American working class already puts in more hours of work than any other first world country and he says people need to work more.

 

[Bn2f]

I realized I was critical but offered no solution - here it is: tax the rich. Tax the 1%. Tax an individual making over 500k and couples making over 750K. Tax the shit out of American businesses making their products overseas and incentivize those who are not outsourcing. I want a return to the 90% progressive tax rate of the 1950s and early 60s. That’s the trickle down economics that made the middle class prosperous during the period you highlighted.

 

[UltraChad]

I realized I was critical but offered no solution - here it is: tax the rich. Tax the 1%. Tax an individual making over 500k and couples making over 750K. Tax the shit out of American businesses making their products overseas and incentivize those who are not outsourcing. I want a return to the 90% progressive tax rate of the 1950s and early 60s. That’s the trickle down economics that made the middle class prosperous during the period you highlighted.

How does shitting on the 1% help the middle class?

 

[ll74]

How does shitting on the 1% help the middle class?

How does shitting on the 99% help anything?

 

[Kitty_so_frisky]

You frustrate me - not all the time, but still enough with posts like these.
You will never get your answer because, as bright as you can be, whether you realize or not, you view American prosperity through the eyes of a white male and in this post a white male from the 1950’s.

Same thing I thought while reading the OP. In the 1950s, a white man could work a single job 40 hours a week and support a family of 5. Not so for most women and/or minorities.
Abolishing DEI definitely won’t help the poverty levels…not that it’s a goal of theirs anyway.

 

[ll74]

Same thing I thought while reading the OP. In the 1950s, a white man could work a single job 40 hours a week and support a family of 5. Not so for most women and/or minorities.
Abolishing DEI definitely won’t help the poverty levels…not that it’s a goal of theirs anyway.

Thank you for your input

 

[Bn2f]

How does shitting on the 1% help the middle class?

What does one say to a working class stooge who wants workers to work harder and business owners seeking ways to cut costs to maybe, probably, hopefully give livable wages.

 

[Dearelliot]

I remember the 1940s, 50s etc..."Most!" Familys if they were lucky had one car, that ran and small homes, one dial phone and not enough electric receptacles..in the 50s, maybe a 10 inch TV and the kids play room was outside. We used to have a flashlight with weak batteries cause they were too expensive to buy, same with light bulbs, wasn't unusual to bring a bulb from one lamp into another room rather than replace it. We walked everywhere, saving money on gas or car repairs. No hot water, unless you heated it on the stove. The doctor came to us.
But you could earn a living in any one of hundreds of factory jobs available, where you were trained in an hour to do the job. I like it better today.

 

[UltraChad]

How does shitting on the 99% help anything?

Never advocated for shitting on the 99%.

You confuse not shitting on the 1% with shitting on the 99%....typical commie mindset.

 

[UltraChad]

What does one say to a working class stooge who wants workers to work harder and business owners seeking ways to cut costs to maybe, probably, hopefully give livable wages.

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I mean you'd have to look exactly like a smug they/them to ever think I did any such thing.

Where do you come up with this shit?? Oh you'll lie to avoid answering the question .....got it.

 

[Politruk]

America will have to get broadly productive again.

That's not the problem. In terms of output per worker per hour, Americans are already a lot more productive than they were in the 1950s.

 

[Politruk]

Nope. Not even.

It requires all the anti-work/anti-business, anti-freedom of association bullshit from the left to stop.

Let people work, stop being such Karens.

I hope you do not mean "right to work" in this sense. That's no path to broadly shared prosperity!

 

[Politruk]

You frustrate me - not all the time, but still enough with posts like these.
You will never get your answer because, as bright as you can be, whether you realize or not, you view American prosperity through the eyes of a white male and in this post a white male from the 1950’s.

We could in principle have a broad prosperity in which everyone gets to share, unlike in the 1950s. Heck, we could have had it then, the economic conditions could have supported it.

 

[Politruk]

I realized I was critical but offered no solution - here it is: tax the rich. Tax the 1%. Tax an individual making over 500k and couples making over 750K. Tax the shit out of American businesses making their products overseas and incentivize those who are not outsourcing. I want a return to the 90% progressive tax rate of the 1950s and early 60s. That’s the trickle down economics that made the middle class prosperous during the period you highlighted.

And then do what with the revenue? How does it go to the working class?

 

[UltraChad]

That's not the problem.

It is.

In terms of output per worker per hour, Americans are already a lot more productive than they were in the 1950s.

Nope...we clock more hours but produce less VALUE.

That's why you have a bunch of "educated" idiots running around broke and can't pay their student loans.

I hope you do not mean "right to work" in this sense.

No, rationaldelusions is dumb.

I'm talking about the right to work as in the states that literally let you work.....unlike most blue states and even a few reddish ones.

That's no path to broadly shared prosperity!

I'm not trying to share....I'm trying to get your fuckin' hand out of my god damn pocket you parasitic piece of shit.

 

[Politruk]

Nope...we clock more hours but produce less VALUE.

No, it's productivity as defined by economists:

How has US productivity changed over time?​

US labor productivity has generally increased year over year since the end of World War II.

According to the National Center for Education Statistics, 11–20% of labor productivity growth between 1948 to 1990 can be attributed to increases in educational levels.

During this period, increased capital across US industries accounted for another 40% of growth in worker productivity. The remaining growth came from technical innovation, foreign trade, government regulation among other things.

I'm talking about the right to work as in the states that literally let you work.....unlike most blue states and even a few reddish ones.

There is no state that does not "let you work."

 

[Politruk]

No, rationaldelusions is dumb.

There is nothing dumb about RationalWiki. Nothing at all, anywhere. The only stupidity you can find is what the articles are pointing and laughing at.

 

[UltraChad]

There is nothing dumb about RationalWiki.

Dumb.