How About That John Ashcroft?

[patient1]

Is the USA's Attorney General exercising good judgement?

Ashcroft approved the death penalty in the Zacarias Mousaoui case, even though he was extradited on condition that the accused not be subject to capital punishment.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020328/ts_nm/attack_moussaoui_dc_8&cid=578

I have no doubt that the accused is guilty. I make no excuses for his crime.

I think it's wrong to break a deal with our allies. If we(USA ) can't keep our word now, If we didn't do it in the past with the African embassy bombing prosecutions, where we also promised not to make a capital case of it as a condition of extradition, how can we expect any of our allies to cooperate in the future? Most European countries, for example, find capital punishment as barbaric & outdated as we find some provisions of Islamic justice.It's a matter of principle for them.

It might come in handy to have international cooperation with law enforcement efforts to remove terrorist organizations in the future.

 

[SINthysist]

I got document not found.

 

[lobito]

For years we here in Misery (Missouri) had to live with Ashcrofts lies, now the WHOLE WORLD gets to see what they've been missing all along.

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[CelestialBody]

Nevermind...

 

[patient1]

I fixed the link. Sorry. I made a capitalization error.

 

[patient1]

The article I linked was a different one, but it's about the same man.

As I recall, it was an issue at the time of extradition, and it was publicly stated at that time that the US wouldn't seek capital punishment. Just like those since convicted of the african embassy bombings.

 

[lavender]

 

[SINthysist]

As far as France.

They support the murderer Arafat. Don't see what they have to get all that upset about. It's not like they wouldn't do it to us...

Diplomats. Politicians. Car Salesmen. What are ya goin' to do?

 

[SINthysist]

Whoops, missed edit button.

The flipside is, leave him in France where he gets a slap on the wrist or out-and-out released.

Then justice is truly served, eh?

 

[freescorfr]

Your av is ever so slightly distracting, Lavy.

With the French Presidentials coming up, I wonder if this will make the ripple it should. The anti-death penalty feeling is so strong that it is a central element of debate in "Education Civique" these days.

I hadn't heard of Ashcroft till now.

 

[lavender]

 

[Azwed]

Your av is ever so slightly distracting, Lavy.

With the French Presidentials coming up, I wonder if this will make the ripple it should. The anti-death penalty feeling is so strong that it is a central element of debate in "Education Civique" these days.

I hadn't heard of Ashcroft till now.

You are lucky then. I should go track down some of the great political cartoons that came out during his appoitment.

I will ask one of my profs if I can scan the cartoon he has on his wall.

 

[Azwed]

I just don't understand the need to disregard our international agreements/commitments and thus affect our credibility in negotiations with countries worldwide, just to have the opportunity to put this one individual to death.

A gamblin' man would never take these stakes.

Ashcroft thinks gambling along with gamblin' is a sin that you should burn in hell for so that is probably why


Come on Lavy you know WE don't follow international law. WE are above the law.

 

[SINthysist]

You mean anymore than by not signing Kyoto?

 

[xMorganx]

According to the US gov. Moussui was going to be the "20th hijacker" so by that theory he would ogf died and became a martyr in some people's minds.So now if the Death Penalty is applied if he is convicted he will still be seen as a martyr and die like he has supposedly planned on doing.

 

[lavender]

 

[patient1]

Whoops, missed edit button.

The flipside is, leave him in France where he gets a slap on the wrist or out-and-out released.

Then justice is truly served, eh?

I thought the choice was made to bring the terrorist here to face trial & life imprisonment, rather than leave him where he hasn't committed any serious crimes, & might eventually be free to conspire again.Seems easy & reasonable to me, considering that no punishment is commensurate with the attrocity. How many times can a guy die?

I'm more concerned with the future eradication of Al Quiada. I anticipate more police raids than air raids to eliminate the cells. Can we get the nescessary cooperation when we lie to get what we want?

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[patient1]

Now, that's logical. He would have died if he had done this, therefore it's ok if we kill him.

I get it now. It's all ok then. Kill the bastard.

I think xmorganx is only putting words in Ashcrofts mouth. I understand s/he to mean that the death penalty is foolishly serving the enemy.

 

[SINthysist]

Hey, the French knew we were lying.

There are some things you do for political posturing for the folks back home. I, for one, believe the French are smart enough to see what a danger this group, and people like them pose to both thier and our way of life.

Some things just have to be done tactically.

 

[lavender]

 

[SINthysist]

Think about all the half truths of every election at every level. Now what makes all of the individuals involved suddenly pure when it comes to dealing with us and each other.

It's not that weak when you really think about it. They wanted him gone, we wanted him, thier voters don't want him put to death, so, you get what we have here. (Are you really so shocked that there's gambling going on at Rick's?)

Now you can fire your electorate come next election when you get all indignant as to what those evil Americans did to you...

 

[Azwed]

Ok lets put this into different terms with an analogy.

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You are a small business owner. You own lets say a mechanic shop, keep with what I know best about small businesses, and you of course have deals with larger companies to buy supplies. Being the shrude business man that you are you are always on the look out for better deals. You find a great deal on a part lets say air filters. This company sells air filters for 50% cheaper then any other company.

You are of course a little suspicious of this so you contact the company and ask if they can send you samples. You get the samples and they are identical to the air filters you have now yet they cost 50% less.

After looking over your inventory you decide you need 12 different types of air filters. These air filters fit 16 different types of cars.

4 weeks pass by and your shipment arrives. You look the shipment over to make sure everything you ordered is there and are very pleased.

You along with your employees start stocking the air filters and as you open some of the boxes you notice something a little strange. The air filters that were of the same type as the samples you got are perfect but the other air filters are not.

After inspecting all the air filters you find that only 3 of the different types have been constructed to the right tollerances and are made out of the right materials. The rest are the right shape and nearly the right size but not exact enough to use in a car. The other 9 different types are either slightly too big or too small or made out of the wrong materials.

You call up the company to ask what the hell is going on and they tell you to basicly fuck off. They already have your money and you have already signed off on the shipment when it arrived so the deal has been done.

Now if this same company does this to enough people word is going to get out not to trust them. Eventually this company will have a very hard time doing business with anyone if they continue these type of practices.

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This is actualy loosely based off a true story that happend to my boss this summer. He was flaming pissed and ended up losing several hunderd dollars because of it. He of course contacted every other shop owner he knew and told them not to do business with this company.

 

[patient1]

I hadn't heard of Ashcroft till now.

Wait till Killer Muffin sees this, she usually has something to say about Mr. Ashcroft.



Nice analogy, Azwed.