"Honor Killings" in the name of ......?

There are about 1.7 billion Muslims in the world, spread across every country and with some 50 or 60 Muslim majority states. We have over a millennia of history and cultural achievements. And there are several million of us in the US by most estimates.

There are only about 16 million Baptists in the world - mostly in the US - and their history barely goes back more than a hundred or a hundred and fifty years. Ditto for the evangelical movements. Claims of high conversion rates are mostly based on "born agains" who convert and move between different churches...

In my experience almost every single Baptist and/or evangelical (its hard to tell them apart to be honest) is poorly educated and gullible. Most are also pretty annoying too.

No, for the most part, you have a millennium where the vast majority of Muslims lived in abject squalor and poverty and you point to the few rare bright spots and try to pretend that that represents...
 
No, for the most part, you have a millennium where the vast majority of Muslims lived in abject squalor and poverty and you point to the few rare bright spots and try to pretend that that represents...

You have the right of that.

The Muslim religion and it's adherents have made NO significant contributions to the arts or sciences since the end of the 'golden age of Islam' which ended towards the end of the 10th century AD. The end of the golden age coincided with a profound change in the core theological philosophy of the religion, a philosophy which is still dominant.

The accomplishments of Islam during the golden age contributed greatly to the renaissance enjoyed by Europe beginning in the 14th century and for that a debt of gratitude is owed those intellectuals of the golden age. And believe it or not, those facts were taught in grade school when I was a kid. But the fact of the matter is is that past accomplishments do NOT excuse present behavior.

Ishmael
 
A Timely Offering

...

My alienation with Islam started as far back as I could discern things. More to the point, I never embraced Islam in the first place, although I was born and raised in a Muslim family.

I believe in a modified version of Occam's Razor, popularly known as the law of parsimony. To me, an explanation with the fewest assumptions is either the correct one or the preferable one. The best answers, more often than not, are the simple answers.

My search for answers has taken me on a journey of discovery in the competing, crowded, and confusing marketplace of ideas. I noticed a universal human need to believe in some power or forces beyond ourselves and beyond the finite and the corporal. If there were no God, we humans would make one up, it is said. In order to satisfy this seemingly innate need, three major contentions have emerged: Rejection-ism, characterized by dismissing any and all gods; Deism, positing a god who created the universe, set it in motion, and let it play out without interfering in it; and God-ism, with many gods, that demanded a super-god to sort them out.

Of the three camps, God-ism seemed to me the most attractive and troubling at the same time. And Islam's God-ism -- Allah-ism-steeped in superstition, replete with nonsensical explanations, and discriminatory Sharia law, repulsed me. All I needed to guide my life was contained in the ancient Zoroastrian triad of good thoughts, good speech, and good deeds. The Ten Commandments are a sensible extension of the above triad and the Universal Charter of Human Rights is its further elaboration.

Things Islamic not only did not resonate with me, they often clashed head on with what I valued and loved. What appealed to me and even enchanted me were more often than not taboo in Islam or anathema to the creed. I loved life, beauty in all its forms, poetry, the ancient Iranian culture and traditions. I loved laughter, celebrations of joy such as birthdays, our yearly festivities of Nowruz, my favorite that lasts for thirteen days. Nowruz, this ancient festival, has been celebrated for thousands of years by my people; it ushers in the spring, welcomes renewal of life, and expresses optimism for the year ahead to bless us with good health, abundant food, family, and friends in the land of a civilized free people.

...

Islam glorifies death by calling many of its martyrs the solders of Allah. Islam preaches superiority of the "we," and inferiority of the "other." It is a creed steeped in superstition, demands blind obedience to authority, and sanctions just about every form of freedom -- the very precious gift of the Creator Ahuramazda that makes us humans. Everything in Islam is in black and while. One is either Muslim - good -- or non-Muslim -- bad. Men are superior; women are subservient. This life is worthless and should be offered for the pleasure of Allah as defined by the clergy.

Islam is a creed of a primitive age. It is fixated in time and place; it harbors the ambition of taking the 21st century world back 14 centuries and ruling it by its dogma of intolerance, injustice and death. Yet, Islam is not only an obsolete vestige of a defunct era, but itself is an infinitely fractured belief that can hardly put its own home in order. The numerous Islamic sects are at each other's throats; sub-sects and schools despise one another as much as they hate the non-Muslims. Hatred, not love, drives Islam.

I came to the realization that the root cause of my people's degradation and suffering is Islam. It is a creed that was imposed on an enlightened, tolerant and free people at the point of the sword by savages hailing from the Arabian Peninsula during the seventh century with promises of booty and women in this world and glorious eternal sensual rewards in the promised paradise of Allah in the next. With each passing day, I rejoice more and more in my good fortune; in my ability to avoid the yoke of Islamic slavery and its blinders that imprisons a billion and half people by walls of superstition, hatred of others, and celebration of death.

It is distressing to witness Islam making headway in the traditionally non-Islamic lands. Masses of brainwashed faithful semi-literate Muslims, badly underserved in their own native lands, are moving to countries where the "infidels" welcome them with material wealth denied to them in their own homeland as well as the liberty to subvert the very societies that give them refuge.

Even more distressing are those good-hearted simpleton non-Muslims who are up in arms defending the rights of Muslims to practice their religion in free societies such as the United States of America. These well-meaning, badly misguided folks don't realize that practicing Islam requires subverting and destroying any and all non-Islamic beliefs and practices. All one needs to see this deadly aspect of Islam is to examine how Islam is practiced in places such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Sudan, Somalia, and even the so-called more moderate Islamic states such as Egypt.

The overflowing treasuries of the oil-enriched Islamic rulers finance legions of pampered clergy with a highly vested interest in maintaining and promoting the creed. Islamist apologists and mercenaries are collaborating shamelessly with the clergy in portraying a greatly deceptive picture of what Islam is in order to win a highly coveted prize -- the West.


Truth can be distorted and even hidden for a time. Yet, it invariably emerges. Thus is the case with Islam. Although it is, by its deceptive means, attracting some adherents in foreign lands, it is losing them by the tens of thousands in its own region as more and more people see for themselves the evil belief and deeds of this creed. It is from the ranks of the newly emancipated, that voices of alarm are raised to warn mankind about the true nature of Islam. Even a cursory examination of the teachings of Islam, the life of Muhammad himself, and the conduct of Muslims in the world provide irrefutable evidence to the fact that this creed, called religion, is anathema to all that is cherished by civilized and fair-minded human beings.

I am not against Muslims. I condemn Islam and those who support and promote it. In the same sense that I am not against slaves, I am against slavery and those who advocate and advance it. The very practice of Islam is tantamount to perpetuating and practicing slavery. Slavery enslaves the body, while Islam entraps the mind. Both ideals and practices are abhorrent and detrimental to the realization of our highest hopes as human beings.

I left Islam behind, because that's where it belongs -- behind in history. I summon Muslims to cast off this belief. I urge all people to resist Islam's encroachment, not to be deceived by its sanitized version presented in the non-Islamic lands, and to encourage Muslims to free themselves from its shackles.
Amil Imani
The American Thinker
 
Even more distressing are those good-hearted simpleton non-Muslims who are up in arms defending the rights of Muslims to practice their religion in free societies such as the United States of America. These well-meaning, badly misguided folks don't realize that practicing Islam requires subverting and destroying any and all non-Islamic beliefs and practices. All one needs to see this deadly aspect of Islam is to examine how Islam is practiced in places such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Sudan, Somalia, and even the so-called more moderate Islamic states such as Egypt.



I doubt those here that fit that description will even recognize themselves.
 
I doubt those here that fit that description will even recognize themselves.

That's why lemmings are lemmings - they don't have any inclination to learn of what they follow...they just blindly follow.

Lemmings are of no real threat - the only concern they present is their massive numbers; that mass works well to propagate the statist message whether it be Islam, socialism, whatever.

Lemmings are always members of the collective family; the very meaning of the word "individual" automatically excludes their inclusion in any thing else.

That's why no lemmings can be found in the individual pursuit of liberty: blindness leads only to obscurity...
 
I doubt those here that fit that description will even recognize themselves.

That's true.

In the meantime, any direct attack on American soil has, in the past, and will, in the future evoke nuclear attack(s). If there's one thing the unwashed overseas masses admire and respect, it's brute force. Light them up.
 
if we could only send Nancy Pelosi over there

islam is about love....till you don't agree with the men in short skirts...then death to you.....




When the U.S. Government made the mistake of allowing a pack of iSlammers into America to study in Texas, it should have been obvious that they would bring with along their sub-human so-called “culture” and “religion.” Remember how we are all supposed to “respect” all religions? Remember that Islamists are not members of a real religion, but a primitive and sadistic cult bent on the subjugation of women and the domination of the real religions practiced by real people (Christianity, Judaism, Taoism, etc.). Check this out:

When Yaser Said grew weary of molesting his daughters, eight and nine years of age, his brothers, who all worked at the local Seven-Eleven of course, comforted him in his frustration. But ten years later, when his little girls finally grew into wholesome American women and became engaged to [Hispanic] young men, Yaser’s pack of brothers once again came to his aid: They used their Islamic connections to hide Yaser after he killed is little girls in the name of Islam – family honor.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/05/yasir-said-trac.html

Of course, like most of the iSlammers mistakenly allowed to mingle amongst human beings here, they are all about Honor and Religion – so long as that means they get to fuck their little girls and kill them when it’s time for them to find real (human) boys/men to marry. That’s fundamental to what they like to call their “culture;” their “religion.” The minute you object to Yaser’s diddling his lovely daughters, or take issue with his killing them for dating human boys, you are called (by iSlammers and by American liberals) a racist. See, no matter what the iSlammer does, if it claims that it does it in the name of Allah, we all have to agree that its cool. To think otherwise would be “un-American”. See? If YOU killed your daughter because she was dating some guy who didn’t go to your church, you would be arrested, tried, convicted and, if in Texas, executed for your crime. But NOT if you are an iSlammer. We are so trained by the media to respect even the most horrific misconduct by iSammers, that we must accept it in the name of tolerance.

The FBI put out a wanted poster for Yaser, mentioning that he was accused on an “Honor Killing,” but he other iSlammers complained and so the FBI took that part off the poster. Best not offend the Said family, right? They hid Yaser away and helped him return to iSlammer-land where he and his son, Islam (yes, that is both the son’s name and his cultural affliction), now hang out, their honor restored by the death of these two little girls. What a wonderful “religion!” It might be time to declassify it as a religion and classify iSlammers as “Agents of a foreign power” who either must leave the country or register with police wherever they go. Oh, and note that, when the other dogs in the pack (Said brothers down at the Seven-Eleven) were asked by reporters what happened, they immediately started calling the reporters "Mother fucking Jews and Racists!" See? In America, it doesn't matter what you do! Just play the race card and then you're super cool and bulletproof, right?

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/fugitives/vc/murders/said_y.htm

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=51983

http://www.billwarnerpi.com/2009/01/update-on-honor-killer-yaser-said-and.html

http://fubarmedia.wordpress.com/200...slim-who-murdered-his-two-daughters-in-texas/

Few, if any member of the so-called “Muslim Community” take issue with Yaser’s actions (the killings, not the child molestations) carried out by the Said pack (brothers). They explain that it is a cultural thing that Americans simply do not understand. The daughters were going to marry filthy Mexican boys, so the dad had every right to kill them. Very cool, eh?

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/04/the-search-for-yaser-abdel-said/

http://ranchchimpjournal.blogspot.com/2010/08/yaser-said-killer-parents-pt3-murdered.html

http://vodpod.com/watch/4177387-honor-killing-in-america-yaser-said-on-the-run

What the girls looked like when Yaser enjoyed molesting them, saying that they are becoming "too Americanized":

http://content.imagesocket.com/images/Molested_and_Murdered_by_Islam2b5.jpg

What the girls looked like just before Yaser murdered them for Allah (from Facebook):
http://iusbvision.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/amina-left-and-sarah-said_facebook.jpghttp://worshippingchristian.org/images/blog/said_sisters_8.jpg
 
The Left Against Ads Reaching Out to Women Who Fear ‘Honor Killings’


Now Helping Women Is Islamaphobia



Who would be against helping women in danger of violence?

Who would not support advertising that reached out to these women?

Why the American Left of course.



The political end of the spectrum that is supposed to be the most feminist isn’t ready to support women avoiding muslim ‘honor killings’ and other violence. They could burn their bras 40 years ago, but you better not take off your burqa today.

Conservative blogger and activist Pamela Geller‘s organization, Stop the Islamization of America, has paid for advertising on top of taxis in Chicago this week and the windy city along with some windbags are furious.

The ads do not attack Islam, but speak to women who want to leave Islam and are fearing violence. It is an undeniable fact that people, especially women, wanting to leave Islam are often violently attacked and even killed. This is a practice that exists all over the world where you find Islam.



The taxi ads do not argue anything against Islam, and they do not suggest that all Muslims would attempt violence. They simply reaches out to women and young girls who might be in need of some help.


What is the Left’s reaction?

Mouth-foaming anger.


The Huffington Post says the ads are a “fight against Islam.” I wonder, if the Huffpost believes that ‘honor killings’ have nothing to do with true Islam, then why would they say such an ad is anti-Islamic? How is helping women from violent radical Islam an attack on all of Islam?

Of course the Huffpost and other lefties’ real problem is the source of the ads. They don’t like Pamela Geller, and since they don’t like her, they hate her ads no matter how helpful and good they are. I thought the Left was supposed to be liberal and tolerant. But look at the words many of the so-called liberal media use to describe Geller.

Alternet called Geller a “lunatic, racist” and “hateful”. The Atlantic called her a “lunatic racist…nutbag” and a “shrieking bigot.” The Huffington Post article calls her the “woman who has been dubbed the ‘Queen of the Muslim Bashers.’” (Of course, Huffpo forgets to mention that it was a leader in CAIR who dubbed her that – not exactly an unbiased source).

You would think a woman like that would not be consistently sought out for her views by CNN, Fox News, the New York Times, and others. Maybe she isn’t all the Left claims she is. But even if you do not like Ms. Geller, can the so-called liberals not separate that when looking at these ads?

The advertisements themselves are clearly not hateful, racist, or lunatic.

In fact, they are helpful.

http://www.newsrealblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/s-GELLER-large.jpg

“The ad is not directed at Muslims. In this particular case, it’s directed at Muslim girls in trouble, living in fear of their lives, struggling to find resources to help,” says Geller.



Considering places like England have over 17,000 cases of ‘honor violence’ a year directed toward Muslim women, and stats in America are growing, we don’t need less of these ads. We need more. Feminist groups and those who care about the safety and lives of women should be spending some of their funds supporting work like these ads and not fighting them.
 
do islamic men shave their legs or use Near?


The Left Against Ads Reaching Out to Women Who Fear ‘Honor Killings’


Now Helping Women Is Islamaphobia



Who would be against helping women in danger of violence?

Who would not support advertising that reached out to these women?

Why the American Left of course.



The political end of the spectrum that is supposed to be the most feminist isn’t ready to support women avoiding muslim ‘honor killings’ and other violence. They could burn their bras 40 years ago, but you better not take off your burqa today.

Conservative blogger and activist Pamela Geller‘s organization, Stop the Islamization of America, has paid for advertising on top of taxis in Chicago this week and the windy city along with some windbags are furious.

The ads do not attack Islam, but speak to women who want to leave Islam and are fearing violence. It is an undeniable fact that people, especially women, wanting to leave Islam are often violently attacked and even killed. This is a practice that exists all over the world where you find Islam.



The taxi ads do not argue anything against Islam, and they do not suggest that all Muslims would attempt violence. They simply reaches out to women and young girls who might be in need of some help.


What is the Left’s reaction?

Mouth-foaming anger.


The Huffington Post says the ads are a “fight against Islam.” I wonder, if the Huffpost believes that ‘honor killings’ have nothing to do with true Islam, then why would they say such an ad is anti-Islamic? How is helping women from violent radical Islam an attack on all of Islam?

Of course the Huffpost and other lefties’ real problem is the source of the ads. They don’t like Pamela Geller, and since they don’t like her, they hate her ads no matter how helpful and good they are. I thought the Left was supposed to be liberal and tolerant. But look at the words many of the so-called liberal media use to describe Geller.

Alternet called Geller a “lunatic, racist” and “hateful”. The Atlantic called her a “lunatic racist…nutbag” and a “shrieking bigot.” The Huffington Post article calls her the “woman who has been dubbed the ‘Queen of the Muslim Bashers.’” (Of course, Huffpo forgets to mention that it was a leader in CAIR who dubbed her that – not exactly an unbiased source).

You would think a woman like that would not be consistently sought out for her views by CNN, Fox News, the New York Times, and others. Maybe she isn’t all the Left claims she is. But even if you do not like Ms. Geller, can the so-called liberals not separate that when looking at these ads?

The advertisements themselves are clearly not hateful, racist, or lunatic.

In fact, they are helpful.

http://www.newsrealblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/s-GELLER-large.jpg

“The ad is not directed at Muslims. In this particular case, it’s directed at Muslim girls in trouble, living in fear of their lives, struggling to find resources to help,” says Geller.



Considering places like England have over 17,000 cases of ‘honor violence’ a year directed toward Muslim women, and stats in America are growing, we don’t need less of these ads. We need more. Feminist groups and those who care about the safety and lives of women should be spending some of their funds supporting work like these ads and not fighting them.
 
Only Cowards Stone People to Death:
An Islamic Religious Ritual




What does it mean when a mob of men, numbering anywhere from 50 to 200, stone a female child to death — as happened in October of 2008 in Somalia?

That poor soul was not only a 13-year-old child, she had also just been raped.

Indeed, that was her sole “crime” and the reason for her torture-execution. She was forced into a hole and buried nearly up to her neck. She took a long time to die and kept crying out for her life. In addition to the 50 active stoners, 1000 more men cheered them on.

What does this tell us?

First, that barbarians are mainly cowards who do not view themselves as responsible for their actions. Everyone is the murderer and therefore, no one is the murderer. The group both absorbs and atones for any possible guilt or hesitation that even one individual might have felt.

However, as we shall see, there is also another way of looking at this.

For a culture presumably so concerned with “honor,” so consumed with concepts of responsibility towards the family, clan, or “ummah” (Muslim people), those who stone a living being to death utterly shrink from any individual responsibility for carrying out their bloody deeds.

Entire families become conspirators in an honor killing; village and religious councils collaborate to issue a death sentence; Muslim men sexually harass women in the streets (of Egypt) — and in large mosque-inflamed mobs (in Algeria).

In terms of stoning, which is primarily a contemporary Muslim-only custom, not only do cowardly men hide behind each other, clearly they lack the ability to act as individuals. That power is reserved for one man, one leader, one ruling cabal only. In Afghanistan, the Taliban hooligans threw the first stones.

This tells us something else that is important. The need for a mob is, in a sense, proof that the individuals who compose it are all being held hostage to the will of the psychopathic criminals who rule them.

Oppose them, and you yourself might be stoned to death. Hostage-mobs also share the “guilt,” or rather, their leaders’ point of view. The leaders cannot be held accountable for their actions either — everyone did it.

In addition, sharing a so-called Muslim sinner’s blood, especially female blood, is yet another way to forge a blood-brotherhood that is based on male supremacism.

Stoning is practiced in contemporary Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Nigeria. In 2006, a poll conducted in “moderate” Indonesia found that 50% of Muslims there supported stoning in cases of adultery, however it is defined.

Adultery might include: a married woman who is raped by a stranger, or a woman promised in marriage to one man but who chooses another. This is precisely what happened in the recent case in Afghanistan.

The Grand Torturer Khomeini brought stoning back to Iran. Uneducated mullahs in the provinces rather liked it. They also liked drugs, drug trafficking, forcing girls into prostitution and then jailing or hanging them for it; temporary “marriages”; forced veiling, etc. Although stoning is now under legal review in Iran, to date, eight men and three women await stoning execution.

In Iran, one woman, accused of adultery, was sentenced to be lashed 99 times — and then sentenced to be stoned to death. Due to an international campaign and due to the hard work of Iranian dissidents, Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani’s sentence was delayed. But she was lashed 99 times and her teenage son was forced to witness her helplessness, humiliation, and torture — and, in a sense, forced to both share these emotions, second-hand with his mother. Her son’s presence before her nakedness was meant to shame them both and challenged him to become a very hard man as a way of avoiding an eventual nervous breakdown.

I am not sure whether there is any connection, but think about this. When Muslims go on pilgrimage to Mecca, part of their three day ritual includes stoning “The Devil.” Large groups literally throw stones at giant concrete pillars. This suggests that stoning is a Muslim religious ritual, not a tribal custom. Therefore, stoning a living human being is not only an act of human sacrifice — it is a classic religious ritual meant to glorify the stoners’ God.

A little like jihad if you ask me.
 
Only Cowards Stone People to Death:
An Islamic Religious Ritual




What does it mean when a mob of men, numbering anywhere from 50 to 200, stone a female child to death — as happened in October of 2008 in Somalia?

That poor soul was not only a 13-year-old child, she had also just been raped.

Indeed, that was her sole “crime” and the reason for her torture-execution. She was forced into a hole and buried nearly up to her neck. She took a long time to die and kept crying out for her life. In addition to the 50 active stoners, 1000 more men cheered them on.

What does this tell us?

First, that barbarians are mainly cowards who do not view themselves as responsible for their actions. Everyone is the murderer and therefore, no one is the murderer. The group both absorbs and atones for any possible guilt or hesitation that even one individual might have felt.

However, as we shall see, there is also another way of looking at this.

For a culture presumably so concerned with “honor,” so consumed with concepts of responsibility towards the family, clan, or “ummah” (Muslim people), those who stone a living being to death utterly shrink from any individual responsibility for carrying out their bloody deeds.

Entire families become conspirators in an honor killing; village and religious councils collaborate to issue a death sentence; Muslim men sexually harass women in the streets (of Egypt) — and in large mosque-inflamed mobs (in Algeria).

In terms of stoning, which is primarily a contemporary Muslim-only custom, not only do cowardly men hide behind each other, clearly they lack the ability to act as individuals. That power is reserved for one man, one leader, one ruling cabal only. In Afghanistan, the Taliban hooligans threw the first stones.

This tells us something else that is important. The need for a mob is, in a sense, proof that the individuals who compose it are all being held hostage to the will of the psychopathic criminals who rule them.

Oppose them, and you yourself might be stoned to death. Hostage-mobs also share the “guilt,” or rather, their leaders’ point of view. The leaders cannot be held accountable for their actions either — everyone did it.

In addition, sharing a so-called Muslim sinner’s blood, especially female blood, is yet another way to forge a blood-brotherhood that is based on male supremacism.

Stoning is practiced in contemporary Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Nigeria. In 2006, a poll conducted in “moderate” Indonesia found that 50% of Muslims there supported stoning in cases of adultery, however it is defined.

Adultery might include: a married woman who is raped by a stranger, or a woman promised in marriage to one man but who chooses another. This is precisely what happened in the recent case in Afghanistan.

The Grand Torturer Khomeini brought stoning back to Iran. Uneducated mullahs in the provinces rather liked it. They also liked drugs, drug trafficking, forcing girls into prostitution and then jailing or hanging them for it; temporary “marriages”; forced veiling, etc. Although stoning is now under legal review in Iran, to date, eight men and three women await stoning execution.

In Iran, one woman, accused of adultery, was sentenced to be lashed 99 times — and then sentenced to be stoned to death. Due to an international campaign and due to the hard work of Iranian dissidents, Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani’s sentence was delayed. But she was lashed 99 times and her teenage son was forced to witness her helplessness, humiliation, and torture — and, in a sense, forced to both share these emotions, second-hand with his mother. Her son’s presence before her nakedness was meant to shame them both and challenged him to become a very hard man as a way of avoiding an eventual nervous breakdown.

I am not sure whether there is any connection, but think about this. When Muslims go on pilgrimage to Mecca, part of their three day ritual includes stoning “The Devil.” Large groups literally throw stones at giant concrete pillars. This suggests that stoning is a Muslim religious ritual, not a tribal custom. Therefore, stoning a living human being is not only an act of human sacrifice — it is a classic religious ritual meant to glorify the stoners’ God.

A little like jihad if you ask me.

Dirty Sammy iSlammy's first record was this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daRC0sQj5fw
 
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