Holocaust Tour

[DVS]

This Holocaust Tour would be both shocking and riveting. I would love to go, but I could never raise the money to travel across the ocean and go. I think history is very interesting and this is a very large event in world history.

If we don't learn history, we are destined to repeat it. Of course, I think most know enough about this time in our history to not repeat it. There are still very strong emotions and like all of our WWII veterans, the last of the holocaust survivors are also dying.

Sure, there will be history books that will tell the story for centuries to come, but I'd much rather hear something from someone who was there, who lived it...and witnessed those who didn't.

I'm glad someone thought of this. I hope kids take this tour and learn the truth about how this happened, even if some still swear it never did.

 

[wicked woman]

The Canadian Centre for Diversity has an annual tour similar to this but it sends high school kids on the tour with a few survivors of the Holocaust. A moving experience for all.

 

[Trixabell]

The Holocaust Museum in DC is well worth the trip. Walking into one of boxcars that actually held victims was haunting and passing by thousands of little shoes worn by those that were murdered is an image I will never forget.

 

[PrimoTat]

This kind of tour will become more and more important as years go by with less survivors to talk in person about their experiences.

 

[Netzach]

This is unrelated but related - I was at Antietam recently, where 23,000 people bought it on one single day.

I think a lot of places where really atrocious things happened are actually kind of removed and weird - it's not like Antietam is located in those 50th year commemorative monuments or badly reenacted film. The only reason it was a Union victory was that they had more guys to smoke and strategically it was a disaster. In terms of humanity - well it set the stage for the worst of world war 1 trenches.

If you want to know about the holocaust, read any thread on yahoo news or the New York Post forums or Daily Beast or whatever giant watering hole of yammering opinions, leaping to the defense of Rick Sanchez, because it's true that Jews control everything.

 

[BiBunny]

The Holocaust Museum in DC is well worth the trip. Walking into one of boxcars that actually held victims was haunting and passing by thousands of little shoes worn by those that were murdered is an image I will never forget.

I went there when I was in the 6th grade. I don't know that I even knew what the Holocaust was at the time, or if I did, I certainly didn't understand the significance. I barely remember anything about going, but I wish I did. It's kinda too bad that the importance was lost on a bunch of 11 and 12 year olds.

This is unrelated but related - I was at Antietam recently, where 23,000 people bought it on one single day.

I think a lot of places where really atrocious things happened are actually kind of removed and weird - it's not like Antietam is located in those 50th year commemorative monuments or badly reenacted film. The only reason it was a Union victory was that they had more guys to smoke and strategically it was a disaster. In terms of humanity - well it set the stage for the worst of world war 1 trenches.

Yep. I grew up just a few miles from one of the battlefields where Andrew Jackson & Co. massacred hundreds of Creek Indians. They didn't just kill them in battle; they slaughtered them as they tried to retreat, too.

People re-enact the battle there fairly regularly, but I've never had the stomach to go see the re-enactment. I--and many other people from that area--have ancestors who were Creek Indians. The place where the battle was fought feels weird enough when you stand out there on it. Don't think I could stand watching them pretend to kill each other there, too.

 

[graceanne]

My family is German. A lot of our family died in the holocaust, I knew about it long before it came up in school. I went to a tour in highschool and was sick for days (we didn't know that I had crohns disease and show stress through pain in my stomach). I won't do it now, because my crohns disease is active and it freaks K out when I puke blood.

 

[Soumis]

I'm a big museum buff, but to date two of the most heart-rendering places I've visited are the D-Day beaches and Oradour-sur-Glane. I have the hardest time coming to terms with places that experienced horrible atrocity in a beautiful setting.

If anyone gets the chance to visit, Oradour-sur-Glane is a village in France where everyone present was massacred by Nazis. Glasses melted and watches stopped as people were burned. Charles de Gaulle decided it would never be rebuilt, but serve as a reminder. It's very well preserved as a historical site and near Limoges if someone wanted to do a side trip.

 

[00Syd]

The most gut-wrenching place I ever visited was the Peace Park in Hiroshima.

 

[JMohegan]

This Holocaust Tour would be both shocking and riveting. I would love to go, but I could never raise the money to travel across the ocean and go. I think history is very interesting and this is a very large event in world history.

If we don't learn history, we are destined to repeat it. Of course, I think most know enough about this time in our history to not repeat it. There are still very strong emotions and like all of our WWII veterans, the last of the holocaust survivors are also dying.

Sure, there will be history books that will tell the story for centuries to come, but I'd much rather hear something from someone who was there, who lived it...and witnessed those who didn't.

I'm glad someone thought of this. I hope kids take this tour and learn the truth about how this happened, even if some still swear it never did.

For shocking and riveting history on a budget, I recommend this book.

Not written first-hand, but channeling those whose voices are rarely heard.

 

[rosco rathbone]

For shocking and riveting history on a budget, I recommend this book.

Not written first-hand, but channeling those whose voices are rarely heard.

Liberal! Lefty! Hippie!

 

[JMohegan]

Liberal! Lefty! Hippie!

Why thank you, sir.

 

[Keroin]

The sad thing is that museums and memorials only work for those with a conscience and/or the time/money/inclination/means to visit them. The Rwandan genocide happened in 1994 - almost a million people systematically slaughtered. And we, the civilized world, had the power to stop many of those deaths, and didn't.

 

[Netzach]

The sad thing is that museums and memorials only work for those with a conscience and/or the time/money/inclination/means to visit them. The Rwandan genocide happened in 1994 - almost a million people systematically slaughtered. And we, the civilized world, had the power to stop many of those deaths, and didn't.

There have been what, about 8 major genocide cycles in the 20th c. 10? The Holocaust comes on the scene after Armenia and Greece and the Khmer Rouge comes along after and "we had the power to stop and didn't" might as well be a global theme song.

 

[Keroin]

There have been what, about 8 major genocide cycles in the 20th c. 10? The Holocaust comes on the scene after Armenia and Greece and the Khmer Rouge comes along after and "we had the power to stop and didn't" might as well be a global theme song.

Exactly, which is why the "never again" rings so false with me.

It will happen again.

 

[Netzach]

Exactly, which is why the "never again" rings so false with me.

It will happen again.

Is.

And look at what I said about the reaction to Rick Sanchez. Medieval Germany lurks right here in America, let's not kid ourselves, there's a huge anti-semitic heart ticking in the center of deep tin foil hat libertarianism.

 

[Netzach]

I have to recommend this film as totally freaking fascinating:

http://www.pbs.org/pov/hidingandseeking/film_description.php

 

[Keroin]

Is.

And look at what I said about the reaction to Rick Sanchez. Medieval Germany lurks right here in America, let's not kid ourselves, there's a huge anti-semitic heart ticking in the center of deep tin foil hat libertarianism.

I'm not familiar with Rick Sanchez. But I'll look him up.

 

[Netzach]

I'm not familiar with Rick Sanchez. But I'll look him up.

Oh short version - bad hack reporter often made fun of on the daily show among other hacks of all stripes.

Says the writers have it in for him because he's latino. It's pointed out that host Jon Stewart is a minority (jewish) and he says "as if these people are persecuted they control the whole media"

CNN finally has a valid reason to cut him loose so they do.

Every asshole sees fit to rant about how Jews control the universe in 3-2-1...

 

[Keroin]

Oh short version - bad hack reporter often made fun of on the daily show among other hacks of all stripes.

Says the writers have it in for him because he's latino. It's pointed out that host Jon Stewart is a minority (jewish) and he says "as if these people are persecuted they control the whole media"

CNN finally has a valid reason to cut him loose so they do.

Every asshole sees fit to rant about how Jews control the universe in 3-2-1...

Ah, yes. I just popped on and had a look at Stewart's reaction on The Daily Show (where I get most of my news, lol)...gotcha.

I've been a bit out of touch lately.

And I thought rich, mostly white, people, regardless of their religion, controlled the universe??

ETA: A hack reporter of CNN???!! GASP! Quel suprize!

 

[intothewoods]

Liberal! Lefty! Hippie!

Ha ha, I was thinking the same thing.

Oh short version - bad hack reporter often made fun of on the daily show among other hacks of all stripes.

Says the writers have it in for him because he's latino. It's pointed out that host Jon Stewart is a minority (jewish) and he says "as if these people are persecuted they control the whole media"

CNN finally has a valid reason to cut him loose so they do.

Every asshole sees fit to rant about how Jews control the universe in 3-2-1...

Rick Sanchez really is an idiot. If he weren't such a moron and had decent ratings, he would not have been fired. My reaction was kinda hey CNN, don't use anti-semtism as an excuse! Thanks but no thanks.

Although CNN can, of course, fire whomever they want for saying shit they don't like, I generally don't like when people are fired for something they've said. I'd rather see some attempt at a dialogue or, failing that, to see the person ultimately fired because everyone stopped watching. It's not like anti-semtism or racism or any other ugliness goes away when you fire the idiot celebrity who mouthed off. On the other hand, you have so much ugliness spewed these days that is accepted and celebrated. I guess the idea of a dialogue is pretty laughable.

 

[WriterDom]

It's all about ratings. If the three of the twenty people who watch MSNBC stopped watching, someone would get fired there as well.

 

[ThorkelGriersen]

Oh short version - bad hack reporter often made fun of on the daily show among other hacks of all stripes.

Says the writers have it in for him because he's latino. It's pointed out that host Jon Stewart is a minority (jewish) and he says "as if these people are persecuted they control the whole media"

CNN finally has a valid reason to cut him loose so they do.

Every asshole sees fit to rant about how Jews control the universe in 3-2-1...

Goggle: "Rick Sanchez+Miami+criminal acts." When I learned that he was at CNN I was on the floor in a coma for about an hour.

For those who can't afford a tour -- try the following: Probably NOT coming to a multi-plex near you. I'm sure that there will be a DVD -not available through the neighborhood store. But look for it at indy distributor/publishers like http://www.zeitgeistfilms.com/homevideo.php. {Link Corrected.}

MOVIE REVIEW | 'NUREMBERG'
Rare Scenes Re-Emerge From Nuremberg
Trials
A 1940s film of the Nuremberg war crimes trials, never
released in the United States, has now been reconstructed.

http://movies.nytimes.com/2010/09/29/movies/29nuremberg.html?nl=movies&emc=mua5

The film is a documentary from the trials and includes footage of the death camps --with the ability to study the reactions of the accused.

 

[teknight]

If you want to know about the holocaust, read any thread on yahoo news or the New York Post forums or Daily Beast or whatever giant watering hole of yammering opinions, leaping to the defense of Rick Sanchez, because it's true that Jews control everything.

Better put than I'd dare to do so.

The sad thing is that museums and memorials only work for those with a conscience and/or the time/money/inclination/means to visit them. The Rwandan genocide happened in 1994 - almost a million people systematically slaughtered. And we, the civilized world, had the power to stop many of those deaths, and didn't.

Alas, we're not that civilized. We just try not to let it happen in our backyards.

There have been what, about 8 major genocide cycles in the 20th c. 10? The Holocaust comes on the scene after Armenia and Greece and the Khmer Rouge comes along after and "we had the power to stop and didn't" might as well be a global theme song.

At what point does "we don't want to" take on the power of "we can't", I wonder?

What about more recently in Sudan?

 

[sb2009]

I think it's easier for us (by "us" I mean a group of people who share a common link, be it Americans or People With Crazy Mothers) to selectively notice genocide when it's happening to people who are not our shade of skin color, or who practice a religion unlike our own, or who have some sort of cultural identity that is alien to us.

And we find the oddest things to differentiate by - I listened to a diatribe on how "renters" are ruining our local schools recetnly. Those dirty renters!