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this was the link:

http://www.canada.com/components/print.aspx?id=11fbf4a8-282a-4d18-954f-546709b1240f&k=32073

but the story isnt available anymore... here it is, anyway...

this is scary.

Very scary.

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Iran eyes badges for Jews
Law would require non-Muslim insignia

Chris Wattie
National Post

Friday, May 19, 2006

Jews were made to wear stars to identify them in Nazi Germany.

Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian
parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear
coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as
non-Muslims.

"This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of
the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and
closer to the ideology of the Nazis."

Iranian expatriates living in Canada yesterday confirmed reports that the
Iranian parliament, called the Islamic Majlis, passed a law this week
setting a dress code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear almost
identical "standard Islamic garments."

The law, which must still be approved by Iran's "Supreme Guide" Ali
Khamenehi before being put into effect, also establishes special insignia to
be worn by non-Muslims.

Iran's roughly 25,000 Jews would have to sew a yellow strip of cloth on the
front of their clothes, while Christians would wear red badges and
Zoroastrians would be forced to wear blue cloth.

"There's no reason to believe they won't pass this," said Rabbi Hier. "It
will certainly pass unless there's some sort of international outcry over
this."

Bernie Farber, the chief executive of the Canadian Jewish Congress, said he
was "stunned" by the measure. "We thought this had gone the way of the dodo
bird, but clearly in Iran everything old and bad is new again," he said.
"It's state-sponsored religious discrimination."

Ali Behroozian, an Iranian exile living in Toronto, said the law could come
into force as early as next year.

It would make religious minorities immediately identifiable and allow
Muslims to avoid contact with non-Muslims.

Mr. Behroozian said it will make life even more difficult for Iran's small
pockets of Jewish, Christian and other religious minorities -- the country
is overwhelmingly Shi'ite Muslim. "They have all been persecuted for a
while, but these new dress rules are going to make things worse for them,"
he said.

The new law was drafted two years ago, but was stuck in the Iranian
parliament until recently when it was revived at the behest of President
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

A spokesman for the Iranian Embassy in Ottawa refused to comment on the
measures. "This is nothing to do with anything here," said a press secretary
who identified himself as Mr. Gharmani.

"We are not here to answer such questions."

The Simon Wiesenthal Centre has written to Kofi Annan, the Secretary-General
of the United Nations, protesting the Iranian law and calling on the
international community to bring pressure on Iran to drop the measure.

"The world should not ignore this," said Rabbi Hier. "The world ignored
Hitler for many years -- he was dismissed as a demagogue, they said he'd
never come to power -- and we were all wrong."

Mr. Farber said Canada and other nations should take action to isolate Mr.
Ahmadinejad in light of the new law, which he called "chilling," and his
previous string of anti-Semitic statements.

"There are some very frightening parallels here," he said. "It's time to
start considering how we're going to deal with this person."

Mr. Ahmadinejad has repeatedly described the Holocaust as a myth and earlier
this year announced Iran would host a conference to re-examine the history
of the Nazis' "Final Solution."

He has caused international outrage by publicly calling for Israel to be
"wiped off the map."

Iran does not yet have nuclear weapons, but Tehran believed by Western
nations to be developing its own nuclear military capability, in defiance of
international protocols and peace treaties.

The United States, France and Israel accuse Iran of using a civilian nuclear
program to secretly build a weapon. Iran denies this, saying its program is
confined to generating electricity.

cwattie@nationalpost.com
� National Post 2006
 
This report has already been debunked as a US-Rightwing fabrication. Here is a retraction (somewhat) of the original author:
This item is available on the Benador Associates website, at http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19508
PRESS RELEASE: AMIR TAHERI ADDRESSES QUERIES ABOUT DRESS CODE STORY

by Amir Taheri
Benador Associates
May 22, 2006

Regarding the dress code story it seems that my column was used as the basis for a number of reports that somehow jumped the gun.
As far as my article is concerned I stand by it.
The law has been passed by the Islamic Majlis and will now be submitted to the Council of Guardians. A committee has been appointed to work out the modalities of implementation.
Many ideas are being discussed with regard to implementation,
including special markers, known as zonnars, for followers of
Judaism, Christianity and Zoroastrianism, the only faiths other than Islam that are recognized as such. The zonnar was in use throughout the Muslim world until the early 20th century and marked out the dhimmis, or protected religious minorities. ( In Iran it was formally abolished in 1908).
I have been informed of the ideas under discussion thanks to my
sources in Tehran, including three members of the Majlis who had tried to block the bill since it was first drafted in 2004.
I do not know which of these ideas or any will be eventually adopted. We will know once the committee appointed to discuss them presents its report, perhaps in September.

Interestingly, the Islamic Republic authorities refuse to issue an
official statement categorically rejecting the concept of dhimmitude and the need for marking out religious minorities.
I raised the issue not as a news story, because news of the new law was already several days old, but as an opinion column to alert the outside world to this most disturbing development.
Iranian author and journalist Amir Taheri is a member of Benador Associates.

This item is available on the Benador Associates website, at http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19508
 
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Aside from that, may I just comment that your AV, SelenaKittyn, takes the abstract concept of 'wet pussy' into a really visceral image. i.e., SO HOT! :p
 
Huckleman2000 said:
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Thank goodness this propaganda was exposed so rapidly.

Why the hell (and I use that word deliberately) does anyone want to stir things up like this.

I think it is way time that the old hippy slogan, "Make love, not war" was given a new lease on life.
 
The paper that started this has an editorial stance that amicus would be comfortable with.

'Nuff said.
 
fifty5 said:
Thank goodness this propaganda was exposed so rapidly.

Why the hell (and I use that word deliberately) does anyone want to stir things up like this.

I think it is way time that the old hippy slogan, "Make love, not war" was given a new lease on life.

I don't know that it's been 'exposed' very broadly. I'm a political junkie, and the so-called Progressive blogs are generally very good at tracking down things like this. The unfortunate reality is that these sorts of stories take on a life of their own, once they're out there.

Although I'm plainly on the Progressive end of the spectrum, my objective sense is that the Right is far more willing to utilize these sorts of propaganda techniques to sow ideas into the mainstream, or to manipulate press coverage to their advantage. Part of that, obviously, is due to their control of much of the government, plus a coordinated media operation which operates in lockstep to disseminate the Party's designated "talking points."

that Alberto Gonzales, the AG, can go on the Sunday issue shows and intimate that he will legally pursue journalists who expose governmental lawbreaking under statutes that defend national security is far greater cause for alarm than these sorts of 'pay no attention to the man behind the curtain' pseudo-news items.
 
fifty5 said:
Thank goodness this propaganda was exposed so rapidly.

Why the hell (and I use that word deliberately) does anyone want to stir things up like this.

I think it is way time that the old hippy slogan, "Make love, not war" was given a new lease on life.


A certain group of men in the US subscribe to an idea that is loosely expoused by their think tank called Project for a new American Century. It's pretty much encapsulated as imperialism light.

Iran is their next conquest, now that Iraq has folded.

Please don't interpret this to mean I have anything but loathing for Iran. I don't. If the whole country were nuked into the world's bioggest glass factory, it wouldn't bother me in the least.

I am, however, aware that this isn't going to happen. I am also aware of what a military conquest and occupation of Iran would entail. And I apparently, have a much better grasp of reality than the bozo's who are advocating a war with Iran. If we go that route, i believe it will be a classic case of one's reach exceeding their grasp. Militarily, we could do it, but if they expect a folding Iraq cake walk with low casualties, they are in for a rude awakening. It will be ghastly. Simply horrific loss of life on the part of the Iranians. They used human wave attacks against Saddam. He was using second line warsaw pact ordenance and killed them in droves. If they came at us (US) like that, we are talking first day of the Margne casualties, day in and day out for as long as they can find lemmings.

No civilized nation can endure that kind of slaughter. Either giving it out or taking it. But the Iranians can take it and have before. I don't believe we could kill on that scale and retain our integrity.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
No civilized nation can endure that kind of slaughter. Either giving it out or taking it. But the Iranians can take it and have before. I don't believe we could kill on that scale and retain our integrity.

Not in a war we started.

If they go nuke and use them... it's a completely different kettle of fish. There's the worry if human loss is a concern. Americans get fairly unreasonable when provoked.

I'm on the side that we're not really that far removed from wanting to see the Japanese wiped off the face of the planet.

Sincerely,
ElSol
 
elsol said:
Not in a war we started.

If they go nuke and use them... it's a completely different kettle of fish. There's the worry if human loss is a concern. Americans get fairly unreasonable when provoked.

I'm on the side that we're not really that far removed from wanting to see the Japanese wiped off the face of the planet.

Sincerely,
ElSol


You won't see nukes deployed, because the objective is securing the oil supply. And fallout seeps into the soil and tehrefore, into all that oil. Even high yeild tac nukes entail some risk of that happening. Why do you think the developed MOAB?

Here's how explosives work. For every job, you have the correct payload. Want to kill a jihadi sneaking up on your firebase? 1/4 pound block of C4 and some pebbles or, if you have one a claymore. Need to take out a tank? A HEAT round, HESH round, tow missile or hellfire. Ned to demolish a bridge? Just add a GBU kit to an old 2000lb bomb. Thats how our military planners think. The right munition for the job. At a certain point, you have reached the yeild neccessary to make a tac nuke the proper explosive. So why do we need a 10,000 pound conventional explosive? Because to do the job, the correct munition would be a high yeild tac nuke. But you can't risk fallout when you need to control the ground, or, what's under it.

Thus we have MOAB, which isn't really as effective as the WWII Grandslam.
 
So no yellow stars, huh? What about wearing green on Tuesday? Does that still count?

Or is it yellow on Thursday? I always forget.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
So no yellow stars, huh? What about wearing green on Tuesday? Does that still count?

Or is it yellow on Thursday? I always forget.


Wear the green. It matches your eyes.

:rose:
 
sweetsubsarahh said:
Wear the green. It matches your eyes.

:rose:

Well, if I had to wear a yellow Star of David, I was wondering - if I wore it on my right buttock on Tuesday, would that mean I was a gay Jewish Dom?
 
dr_mabeuse said:
Well, if I had to wear a yellow Star of David, I was wondering - if I wore it on my right buttock on Tuesday, would that mean I was a gay Jewish Dom?

Maybe a gay Jewish sub.

Is that the look you're going for?
 
Huckleman2000 said:
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Aside from that, may I just comment that your AV, SelenaKittyn, takes the abstract concept of 'wet pussy' into a really visceral image. i.e., SO HOT! :p


I'm relieved... thanks for dubunking it for me, Huck...
I checked snopes but didn't find anything... prolly too early...

and thanks, too, for the compliment on my kitty :cathappy:
 
Colleen Thomas said:
If the whole country were nuked into the world's bioggest glass factory, it wouldn't bother me in the least.
Wow. I love you to death, Colly, and I can only assume you're exaggerating, but still I find that statement to be appalling. That's a very flippant way to talk about the deaths of over 68 million people, most of whom are innocent civilians.

:rose:
 
minsue said:
Wow. I love you to death, Colly, and I can only assume you're exaggerating, but still I find that statement to be appalling. That's a very flippant way to talk about the deaths of over 68 million people, most of whom are innocent civilians.

:rose:


I can make extremist statements, because it's not even a remote possibility. Not for the humanitarian reasons that make it apalling to you, but because there is too much oil there. Nuclear weapons then, aren't an option.

I don't have much sympathy for the civilian population. It was civilains who took our embassy staff hostage. And it was those self same civilians who brought Komeni to power. And it was from those civilians that terroists are recruited, and from their taxxes that the funds for Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad come. And now they want nuclear weapons. A nation that unabashedly supports terrorists. How long before one of them ends up in the hands of a terrorist outfit? Two years after they develop them? three? Five? Ten?

If their desire for a muslim theocracy were limited to that government ruling them, I would hold them blameless as you do. Since that government supports terrorists, and since this nation is their greatest enemy, I am by default their enemy. Given that situation, I have very little in the way of sympathy for them.

And if they achieve weapons grade fissionables, I would not think twice in supporting hitting them before they can get them into the hands of their terrorist cohorts. I think, you have a completely different outlook. But I have to try and deal with things in a way I see as realistic. If they (the terrorist organizations) can find plentiful idiots to blow themselves up or to crash planes into buildings filled with innocent civilians, I don't think it rational to assume they can't find a suicide jockey willing to detonate a nuclear device in downtown shebogan.

Their nation is persuing nuclear weapons, we or israel, would be the target of such a device, were one to fall into the hands of terrorists, with that in mind, I can't say I would shed too many tears if we had to resort to the nuclear option in Iran.

It's a harsh stance, but I would be lying if I said I felt any other way. It pains me to look bad in your eyes, but I percieve a threat here that colors my thinking to a far greater degree than it does yours. Possibly because I'm just bitchier than you. More likely, because you don't have the smae perception of the threat that I do. Of course, even if they had nukes, and even if they had used them, I still think you would mourn for all those lost in an exchange, no matter upon which side. It just shows you in a much better light than it does me, which, I think, is probably an accurate reflection of how wonderfully sweet and compassionate you are.

:rose:
 
SelenaKittyn said:
this was the link:

http://www.canada.com/components/print.aspx?id=11fbf4a8-282a-4d18-954f-546709b1240f&k=32073

but the story isnt available anymore... here it is, anyway...

this is scary.

Very scary.

---------------------------------
Iran eyes badges for Jews
Law would require non-Muslim insignia

Chris Wattie
National Post

Friday, May 19, 2006

Jews were made to wear stars to identify them in Nazi Germany.

Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian
parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear
coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as
non-Muslims.

"This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of
the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and
closer to the ideology of the Nazis."
One must also see this from a side of propoganda ... Does the U.S want a war with Iran? :) YES. NO. There are two sides always, and the third view is always the best perspective. :D
 
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