History Of Bsdm

[Miss Diva]

Hi: I am wondering if there are any historical references to BSDM. I mean was it used in ancient China or midevil (sp??) Europe. I guess I am asking where did it originate?

thanks

 

[snowy ciara]

Check out "Sex in History" by Reay Tannahill (sp? I think I blew it on her first name, and the book's already back to the library.) It's a bit dated, it came out in 91 ish,but it does give some basic history in there.

 

[BlueSugar]

there is also some good info in the Theories and Hormones thread on the bdsm cafe`. I started it as a fluff thread, but it was hijacked by intellegent people... who knew?

 

[le Dragon Noir]

Damn those brainiacs and their overused craniums.. Check out some mythology, too. The story of Tantalus is a bit torturous, and Eros and Psyche have a definate D/s undercurrent. (Thanks to the "Don't look at me" thread for bringing that to mind.) But my point was, that since there are sm and D/s uncercurrents in a lot of mythologies I'd say that these desires have been around for a while.

 

[catalina_francisco]

This may help....

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84352

Catalina

 

[Pure]

There is a "Leather History Timeline" around, updated by Deblase, and I think this link will work. If it doesn't go to just www.leatherarchives.org and search the site.

http://www.leatherarchives.org/exhibits/deblase/timeline.htm

 

[s'lara]

i found this link which is supposed to chronicle the "alternative sexuality history timeline." Some interesting stuff.

http://www.backdrop.net/bdsm-history/timeline.html

i don't know if there is a definitive collation of materials on BDSM history. i know the leather society put one together based on the "old guard" gay leather scene. But, i don't know if there is one which incorporates the historical timeline for both gay and heterosexual beginnings in BDSM.

i hope the links provided help though. Good luck.

lara

P.S. Another good site to visit is http://www.sexuality.org/bdsm.html

 

[Etoile]

Hi: I am wondering if there are any historical references to BSDM. I mean was it used in ancient China or midevil (sp??) Europe. I guess I am asking where did it originate?

thanks

I would think that BDSM as it is practiced today is largely different from ancient techniques and purposes. While whippings have been used for many years as punishment, that punishment was not always sexual.

Here are some links:
http://www.tdl.com/~thawley/history.htm
http://www.albanypowerexchange.com/History/bdsm_history.htm
http://www.leatherarchives.org/
http://www.datenschlag.org/dachs/index.html (looks very detailed, but in German)

Interesting books:
Curious Punishments of Bygone Days (Alice Morse Earle)
Flagellation & the Flagellants: A History of the Rod in All Countries from the Earliest Period to the Present Time (William M. Cooper)

A good summary:
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/BDSM#History

 

[pink swirl]

don't know much about history, but it seems to me dominance and submission has been around forever. think foot-binding, geishas, and marriage equalling ownership of property. in the muslim world, well, it's still 24/7.

 

[Etoile]

in the muslim world, well, it's still 24/7.

Yikes, way to start a debate about an unrelated topic by making an unfounded statement about a culture with which few westerners are truly familiar...

 

[pink swirl]

Yikes, way to start a debate about an unrelated topic by making an unfounded statement about a culture with which few westerners are truly familiar...

i'm sorry. that was not my intent. i lived in a country for several years where muslims were half the population and just saw some stuff that looked very D/s to me...women walking steps behind their men, men and boys eating dinner first and then the ladies. i'm not making judgments, it's just undeniably a male dominated culture. just as the western one was.

 

[WriterDom]

Re: Re: History Of Bsdm

I would think that BDSM as it is practiced today is largely different from ancient techniques and purposes. While whippings have been used for many years as punishment, that punishment was not always sexual.
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Not just not sexual, but a flogging often ended in death. That kind of shit happens when you tie bones and rocks to the end of the tails.

 

[Etoile]

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Not just not sexual, but a flogging often ended in death. That kind of shit happens when you tie bones and rocks to the end of the tails.

Ouch.

 

[FungiUg]

i'm not making judgments, it's just undeniably a male dominated culture.

Just to point out that male dominated doesn't equate to BDSM. Firstly it's societal, not a free choice by the individual. Secondly, BDSM can be female dominated just as much as male dominated (although I don't know the actual mix.)

Dominance and submission when practiced by a society is rather different to BDSM. I very much doubt that most of the people being "dominant" or "submissive" actually get off on it.

 

[snowy ciara]

Yup.. I'll have to look it up, but in The Loving Dominant, either the author, or someone he was quoting said that the lovely asian women he met while in the military did nothing for him. They were raised to be submissive, not submissive by choice, so it wasn't a turn on to him. ALso, societies that force a person to be submissive are in a fuzzy grey area, consent wise. (I'm pretty sure he was quoting someone, will check later as I don't have the book handy right now.)

 

[Miss Diva]

i'm sorry. that was not my intent. i lived in a country for several years where muslims were half the population and just saw some stuff that looked very D/s to me...women walking steps behind their men, men and boys eating dinner first and then the ladies. i'm not making judgments, it's just undeniably a male dominated culture. just as the western one was.

My mother is Italian from a small village and not long ago (maybe 45 years or so) the men ate first (all the good food) and the ladies got the leftover. So it was more society than natural submission. And believe me, my mother would be the DOM if she was in such a relationship.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Hi: I am wondering if there are any historical references to BSDM. I mean was it used in ancient China or midevil (sp??) Europe. I guess I am asking where did it originate?

thanks

As far as I know, most masters are in agreement that bdsm started in the castles and chateaus of mideevil europe.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Yup.. I'll have to look it up, but in The Loving Dominant, either the author, or someone he was quoting said that the lovely asian women he met while in the military did nothing for him. They were raised to be submissive, not submissive by choice, so it wasn't a turn on to him. ALso, societies that force a person to be submissive are in a fuzzy grey area, consent wise. (I'm pretty sure he was quoting someone, will check later as I don't have the book handy right now.)

I'd take anything you read in that book with a grain of salt.

 

[Kajira Callista]

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As far as I know, most masters are in agreement that bdsm started in the castles and chateaus of mideevil europe.

lol

 

[rosco rathbone]

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lol

Shup, beejay lipps.

 

[Kajira Callista]

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Shup, beejay lipps.