Here we go again: have you restocked your 9/11 patriotic apparel and accessories yet?

[riff]

I was at my parent's house yesterday and my mom got an e-mail from some clothing company that was advertising this fashionable American flag blouse, displayed appropriately across a background of a field of wheat and blue sky.

"Just in time for September 11," I chimed.

My mom loves me so she chuckled and told me I was one of a kind.

"You don't think that company doesn't realise what is coming up?" I asked. "It's good marketing- like Christmas."

Then she asked me if I would feel any sorrow for those people and families when the anniversery rolled around.

Of course I do and will, I am not inhuman. I just hate seeing it commercialized.

Then we both agreed that people have their own ways of grieving.

Some of us want to fly flags.
Some of us want to go punch an Arab.
Some of us want to send money to someone.

Do anything to feel better.

I think we should do like last year and cancel all major sporting events and the like the following weekend and just be silent. I am just one of those people who finds silence more reverent than anything anyone could say.

But it doesn't look like I am in the majority.

 

[Sillyman]

I say we go on with our lives.

God, I can just see the Giant Chevy Annual 9-11 sale ten years from now. Jesus Christ.

 

[Marxist]

I say we go on with our lives.

God, I can just see the Giant Chevy Annual 9-11 sale ten years from now. Jesus Christ.

I wonder if you'll be able to get the Twin Towers Towing package on your Silverado.

 

[Sillyman]

With anti-lock brakes and bomb detector.

 

[SINthysist]

I will not make any concessions to the terrorists.

I will not frequent sales.
I will not give up my workday.
I will not change any plans.

I will have a small private ceremony.
I will unfurl a brand-new flag and save the old one.
I will support the war against religion run amuck...

 

[Sillyman]

As long as we can keep it in the context that this is the sort of thing that fanaticism leads too, not just Islam is full of naughty people, than I can get behind that.

 

[SINthysist]

From everything I can discern, to be Islamic is to be a puppet.

Every move is controlled, every action directed.

Imam says Jihad. YOU HAVE NO CHOICE!

(If you are a real Muslim.)

Now there are some very LIBERAL Muslims. But they will have to get very Orthodox if Jihad is successful...

Now, do I lay off Nazi's because my paternal family is German and some of them are really nice people, you should get to know them...?

Or the brutal, repressive Chinese government? Do I give them a pass because I have Chinese people in my family too who are also very nice people?


... and if Saddam were left in place and managed to kill thousands more either directly, or indirectly...

Would you not feel just a twinge of remourse or guilt knowing that it was your opinion that we should stand down and await a "REAL" attack before we move?

 

[Sillyman]

And the Southern Baptist Council says you can't be a real Christian and be homosexual. I've seen dozens of homosexual Christians in my time anyway. Doesn't mean shit what the authority says.

 

[SINthysist]

...and Priests molest kids despite working for the guy who will send them straight to hell for doing it.

GO FIGURE!



The difference is that I cannot recall the Baptists having a code that allows them to discriminate against and kill anyone who refuses to convert...

 

[SINthysist]

... and if you live in Baptist territory you can still mow your yard on Sunday morning...

In a Fundamentalist Islamic State, if you don't drop and pray five times a day, you will be beheaded as so to get Allah's merciful judgement all the sooner!

 

[Sillyman]

Yes they do. Check your bible.

 

[Sillyman]

And being a praticing Catholic in Protestant England meant being killed as well. Your point?

 

[SINthysist]

The Old Testament has anything you want to find in it!

Like astrology, that's one of the keys to it's staying power.

Now the New Testament separates Christianity from Judiasm and Islam by submitting that God's kingdom is not on Earth, quit fighting for it, render up to Ceaser his due, live for the good of God, and treat others the way you want to be treated.

As an Athiest, I can APPRECIATE the difference!

 

[SINthysist]

In the modern world, we don't behave that way. That's my point. We're fighting people who are living in the past and wish to bring us down to thier level. The French did pretty much the same thing. But I would like to think French society has evolved a bit from that level of ignorance. World Islam on the other hand is still in it's own Dark Age...

 

[SINthysist]

We don't go to war over God any more like our enemies.

We go to war over resources and -isms...

 

[Sillyman]

And they couldn't possibly be going to war over resources, could they?

 

[SINthysist]

Yeah. They want ours!

As well as converts.

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!

 

[brokenbrainwave]

That Jeep Liberty made to look like an Army version was tacky. I heard that Klinger tried to eat one to revive his career.

but onto the question, to remember is good, to use catch phrases like "Lets Roll" as Bobby Bowden wanted for a friggin season motto was sacrilage. And I thought I could not have even less respect for him, damn was I wrong.

 

[crysede]

From everything I can discern, to be Islamic is to be a puppet.

Every move is controlled, every action directed.

Imam says Jihad. YOU HAVE NO CHOICE!

(If you are a real Muslim.)

Now there are some very LIBERAL Muslims. But they will have to get very Orthodox if Jihad is successful...

Actually the Koran, unlike the Bible, is very specific about forbidding in engaging in holy wars (jihad) unless very stringent conditions are met:

• You must be under serious threat for your life
• You must have first attempted to solve your differences with your enemies by talking with them
• If this failed you must have then have attempted solve your differences through written communication
• Only if this fails are you permitted to attack them - and you may only attack those individuals actually attacking your people (attacking civilians, or civilian targets, is not permitted), and the moment any one of your enemies surrenders you must accept their surrender and cease to attack them.

It doesn't matter what the Imam says - if you are an orthodox Muslim you will never disobey the Quran - the Quran is the literal word of God, the word's of the Imam are not. To be Muslim is to submit to God, not to the Imam.

Muslims who commit acts of terrorism are as Muslim as Christian terrorists are Christian - that is, in name only.


Edited to add:

We don't go to war over God any more like our enemies.

We go to war over resources and -isms...

So you'd agree that fundimentalism isn't about God then, its about power.

 

[SINthysist]

Agreed. The Power over People. Just like in our dark ages.

But they want to control resources, too.

Greed is eternal.

 

[crysede]

Agreed. The Power over People. Just like in our dark ages.

But they want to control resources, too.

Greed is eternal.

Well yes, but how else can you get real power over people? You have to have some means of forcing those that refuse to obey to bend to your will. Real power is absolute power - to aim for less is to settle, and fanatics rarely settle.


PS. Are you actually a Hegelian, or did you just like his "thesis / antithesis / synthesis" triad? I'm just asking 'cause I've never met a real-life Hegelian before

 

[SINthysist]

The thought just always struck me and stuck with me when first introduced to it.

You know. How life changes you as you deflect off of everything you are exposed to in the river of time....

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

I say we go on with our lives.

God, I can just see the Giant Chevy Annual 9-11 sale ten years from now.

Agreed. For now the date will bear some significance, but one of two things will eventually happen:

1) It will be forgotten/ignored by most.

and/or

2) Congress will make some kind of national holiday out of it. If people get it off then it will be just another holiday that they don't have to work and they will not really observe it as anything other than a day off. Just like Memorial Day, Independence Day, Veterans Day, etc.

 

[hornylady]

Re: Here we go again: have you restocked your 9/11 patriotic apparel and accessories yet?

I was at my parent's house yesterday and my mom got an e-mail from some clothing company that was advertising this fashionable American flag blouse, displayed appropriately across a background of a field of wheat and blue sky.

"Just in time for September 11," I chimed.

My mom loves me so she chuckled and told me I was one of a kind.

"You don't think that company doesn't realise what is coming up?" I asked. "It's good marketing- like Christmas."

Then she asked me if I would feel any sorrow for those people and families when the anniversery rolled around.

Of course I do and will, I am not inhuman. I just hate seeing it commercialized.

Then we both agreed that people have their own ways of grieving.

Some of us want to fly flags.
Some of us want to go punch an Arab.
Some of us want to send money to someone.

Do anything to feel better.

I think we should do like last year and cancel all major sporting events and the like the following weekend and just be silent. I am just one of those people who finds silence more reverent than anything anyone could say.

But it doesn't look like I am in the majority.

I agree with quiet remembrance, rather than a big song and dance. But at the end of the day, everyone should be free to mark it in whatever way seems right to them.

 

[lobito]

Any company, or individual who uses Sept. 11th to further themselves is shit. Yeah yeah yeah, this is a "free" country, but it's still bullshit. Making tons of money at others expense, it's "the American way", right?