Here is something for the thinkers of Literotica to ponder

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Is it true?: "What ought not to be, ought not to be permitted."

Be very careful when considering this wuestion as it will truel reveal your inner most being.

Please discuss

 

[Tim1]

Pondering

What "ought not be" is up to me you see?
When you try to control,
you look like a hole,
Just let us be.


thats what ought to be......

 

[RisiaSkye]

It's a difficult question, because it's so vague. Tentatively, however, I'd say it's not true, because I believe in free will, liberty, and personal responsibility.

On one hand, the phrase can be applied to something like the development of cancer, and it makes sense. If someone ought not die of cancer at 23, we ought to work to make sure that doesn't happen, by working toward cures and prevention.

However, preventative action as it applies to human behavior typically requires interpreting the potential actions of people, and punishing them *before* they've done anything wrong. I don't endorse the idea that some people have the right to dictate their own personal choices and values for others, at least insofar as the objectionable actions don't exploit anyone.

I would say a more helpful phrase would be: That which ought not be, we ought not encourage. And even that doesn't really cut it.

Interesting question, Todd.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

It's a difficult question, because it's so vague. Tentatively, however, I'd say it's not true, because I believe in free will, liberty, and personal responsibility.

On one hand, the phrase can be applied to something like the development of cancer, and it makes sense. If someone ought not die of cancer at 23, we ought to work to make sure that doesn't happen, by working toward cures and prevention.

However, preventative action as it applies to human behavior typically requires interpreting the potential actions of people, and punishing them *before* they've done anything wrong. I don't endorse the idea that some people have the right to dictate their own personal choices and values for others, at least insofar as the objectionable actions don't exploit anyone.

I would say a more helpful phrase would be: That which ought not be, we ought not encourage. And even that doesn't really cut it.

Interesting question, Todd.

Tahnk you very much , your answer is very much close to the thought i am working on, I will presnt my presentation after a few more answers pervail to get to people mind sets.

 

[Calamity Jane]

Is it true?: "What ought not to be, ought not to be permitted."

Be very careful when considering this wuestion as it will truel reveal your inner most being.

Please discuss

Interesting question. Though I would venture a guess that no single answer to a single question could reveal more than a mere facet of your 'inner most being'.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Re: Re: Here is something for the thinkers of Literotica to ponder

Interesting question. Though I would venture a guess that no single answer to a single question could reveal more than a mere facet of your 'inner most being'.

not to anyone viewing the answer, but it wil to the person answering it

 

[Wanderer D]

Who determines 'What ought not to be'?
One person says it, another disagrees.
'What ought not to be' is merely perception. It may be shared amongst many, or held by only one. In the end, isn't it merely opinion?

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Who determines 'What ought not to be'?
One person says it, another disagrees.
'What ought not to be' is merely perception. It may be shared amongst many, or held by only one. In the end, isn't it merely opinion?

Good thought there

 

[alltherage]

Is it true?: "What ought not to be, ought not to be permitted."

Be very careful when considering this wuestion as it will truel reveal your inner most being.

Please discuss

The way I approached this question was to plug in situations. Such as, children ought to have the right to grow in a safe and protected and loving environment. Should it not be permitted. No.

Elderly people ought to be treated with respect and dignity. Should it not be permitted. No.

Etc. Etc.


The question is relative to the individual and their beliefs and desires. It is therefore not universally true. In some cases it is, at least for me. Such as, Everyone different from me ought to be killed. Should that be permitted. No. In this case the proposition is true.

 

[estevie]

I think you could apply it individually. A code you live by. I don't think you could say it true for a group/nation/whatever as a whole. Who decides what ought not be? What ought not be to some may be vital to others.

 

[freescorfr]

Ought

is a fucking BIG word and ought to be banned as it implies domination.

 

[MunchinMark]

The response that springs to mind is 'just who is deciding what ought to be?'

The things that I believe should not be, should not be permitted. That is because both halves of the sentence are saying the same thing about my opinion on the same thing.

Suffering should not be. As such it should not be allowed to happen. I'm sure that everyone will go along with that, but if I were to say 'religion ought not to be. Therefore religion ought not to be permitted.' Then, equally valid an opinion as it is, quite a lot of people would disagree.

If you now understand what I meant, pat yourself on the back.

 

[NoRegrets]

"What ought not to be, ought not to be permitted."

Fabulous, now we can have our legislators create moral laws and change the laws of economics.

Good luck!!!

 

[Guest]

The word, ought, falls in the same category as should. In my life, both are words I stay away from. To use either would imply I have the power and judgement to say what is right and wrong. I don't. I struggle, daily, with my ideals of what seems unjust and painful, but I have faith that it all happens for a reason. And, just because I lack comprehension, that does not give me the power to say what ought to be.

 

[MidnightAngel]

My Opinion

Is it true?: "What ought not to be, ought not to be permitted."

My immediate reaction was: WHO decides "what ought not to be"?

What I consider to be "normal", "reasonable", etc, etc, may differ TOTALLY from what you consider to be.

What is the criteria for "ought not to be"? Is is one person's opinion? A country's opinion? A religion's?

Sounds like a VERY BAD idea to me.

How about this saying? "And it harm none, do what you will".

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I hate wishy-washy ambigious philosophical questions...they're pointless once you're over 21 and realize that pyramids don't heal anything and all that time meditating could be spent job seeking. Define your terms first, then I will meet you on the field of battle, my little French cream-puff.