Help Wanted

[raven2]

Yeah, I didn't like the pay at the end thing at all either. Pay me as we go damn it! I have bills that come monthly!

I am that way too, liking my home life and my work life, in fact, every part of my life highly compartmentalized. I have to have it that way or it's hard for me to cope BUT, I have to do a lot of the prep work at home since I am an independent entertainment contractor.

In fact, I do a LOT of things at home and they have to be prioritized. It's hectic, it's been a mission of mine lately to STOP always doing for others or working and do things for ME.

Life has been more comfortable since I have made a concerted effort to do that. It does not come naturally to me.

Fury

I have also been trying to do that lately. It is a little harder at first but most of my life has been spent making sure others were happy at my expense. It was supposed to make you feel good that you made others happy and it does. But not when it is at the expense of your own happiness.

 

[brioche]

I have also been trying to do that lately. It is a little harder at first but most of my life has been spent making sure others were happy at my expense. It was supposed to make you feel good that you made others happy and it does. But not when it is at the expense of your own happiness.

Exactly.
It wasn't easy for me to change.
At first it was like my mindset was that those 40 little kids all deserved as much as I could give them, all day every day.
But then I realized that if I gave them everything all day every day, pretty soon I'd be giving them much less because I'd be a shell. I was becoming one.
So by taking care of myself I am taking care of them.

 

[FurryFury]

I absolutely agree you need to take care of yourself before you can take care of others. I believe it in my mind anyway. It's still hard for me to put into action.

Fury

 

[catalina_francisco]

Hmmm, on the subject of slaves/subs selling themselves via ads on the internet, I have just read one such ad placed by a slave and it was questioned by prospective buyers and pointed out that if they were actually a slave, then in essence the amount paid to them would then be returned to the owner under the understood terms of slave and ownership. It was regarded with disbelief in that slaves do not normally sell themselves, but can be sold or rented by an owner.....and there were such ads under those terms.

Catalina

 

[cati]

In addition.

All slaves can't possibly have owners, and while what you have written catalina is no doubt true, I was speaking more of a slave who was her own "free agent" so to speak. While the information in my thread has it's sources, I don't know of how this sort of business would actually be conducted in RL. I do know that the proprietor has on more than one occasion had to go and bring a girl home because things did not work out.
For the purposes of this thread and discussion I was going to add that should the slave decide that this position was no feasible and wanted to leave that she would forfeit any wages that she might have earned up to that date.
I was thinking that perhaps by putting this condition into the contract it would make a girl think twice about leaving her position until the year's contract was up.

I myself thought about doing this a few years ago. The thought of being able to travel and learn a second language had great appeal. Also earning a lump sum of $40,000 further got my attention. What was actually involved in serving a family was left open to my imagination and I didn't look into it any further.
Knowing what little I do about slave service, I imagined that it would be exhausting, often lonely, and occasionally humiliating. I saw myself helping the cook, housekeeper and anyone else who worked in the home, as well as act as a nanny/glorified babysitter (if they had kids) perhaps teach them a bit of English on the side. I imagined having to service my employers and their guests sexually should they desire it. The rest I left to fantasy.

Still, I would be very curious to find out what is expected of a slave should she accept such a position, any ideas?

 

[bridgeburner]

For twenty-one cents an hour? Are you shitting me?? Sure, you're still earning that .21 while you're sleeping or eating or shitting or whatever, but I can make more than $40K here in the states working a mere 8 hours a day with weekends off, sick days and regular holidays not to mention having my vacation days whenever I want them. And I don't have to change diapers or suck strange dick for it either.

It's a bad bargain. There are plenty of cheap ways to travel and learn a foreign language without gambling away your life for less than a lousy quarter an hour to let any number of people do who knows what to you for however long and then if you decide you don't like it you've got nothing to show for your investment.

Now, if you want to talk about your ultimate fantasy life of sexual service and slavery and how it might come about, that's different. If you could arrange it so that such a thing came into being, great, but let's be clear about where reality diverges from fantasy.

-B

 

[cati]

[I]For twenty-one cents an hour? Are you shitting me?? Sure, you're still earning that .21 while you're sleeping or eating or shitting or whatever, but I can make more than $40K here in the states working a mere 8 hours a day with weekends off, sick days and regular holidays not to mention having my vacation days whenever I want them. And I don't have to change diapers or suck strange dick for it either.

Well aren't you the lucky one!
Point taken, sounds pretty bad doesn't it, the pay I mean. But remember that real slaves (and I use this term in a lifestyle sense) aren't paid anything for their services. They get food, room and board and that's about it. Many woman don't mind changing diapers or sucking "strange" dick.

It's a bad bargain. There are plenty of cheap ways to travel and learn a foreign language without gambling away your life for less than a lousy quarter an hour to let any number of people do who knows what to you for however long and then if you decide you don't like it you've got nothing to show for your investment.

Yeah but I'm talking "free" not cheap. All expenses paid. Plus, there is no gamble and no abuse to speak of. Not in this instance.

Now, if you want to talk about your ultimate fantasy life of sexual service and slavery and how it might come about, that's different. If you could arrange it so that such a thing came into being, great, but let's be clear about where reality diverges from fantasy.

The thing is bridgeburner thats more or less what this is all about. What BDSM is all about, and thats taking your fantasies and making them a reality. Alot of people are unable to do that.

 

[catalina_francisco]

To my knowledge it is a reality and while some may get $2 all up, others earn themselves or owners a lot more than even $40,000, There are a lot of people living their or others fantasies, just it can't be widely advertised in the local paper.

Catalina

 

[bridgeburner]

Yes, but that's not the way you presented it, Cati. You didn't say "Is this your ultimate fantasy? Wouldn't it be great if you could be owned in a perfect situation?" you said "What if you saw this ad in the paper?" and when people had questions you kept making caveats to do away with their concerns.

You presented this as a real scenario and then gradually backed it down to "This is something that I'd love to experience in a totally safe way and I think it exists....maybe. I'm sure it could exist."

You presented it as a way you'd be willing to earn some money, but you emphasized the money initially, not the service or the sexual enslavement which is really what this is about because, frankly, the money is crap for the kind of work you'd be doing. You could earn more as an exotic dancer. If you've got the looks and the skill for it you could earn that in two months working in the adult film industry.

But remember that real slaves (and I use this term in a lifestyle sense) aren't paid anything for their services. They get food, room and board and that's about it. Many woman don't mind changing diapers or sucking "strange" dick.

I think you're making some rather sweeping statements about a vast number of individuals. Just because a person is a slave doesn't mean she doesn't mind sucking strange dick. She may hate it but she does it anyway because it's expected of her. There may exist slaves whose egos are so totally subsumed that it is impossible to make demands of them which they have any resistance to. I seriously doubt it, but I won't rule out the possibility.

Yeah but I'm talking "free" not cheap. All expenses paid. Plus, there is no gamble and no abuse to speak of. Not in this instance.

Except that it's not free. It costs a year of your life and your service. You may consider that an even trade and that's fine. When you're 18 a year of your life seems to be worth less than when you're 85. And, as I mentioned, you're making this up as you go along. This is not a gamble and it is not abusive because this is a fantasy and you're calling the shots. How do we know it's not abusive? Because you're telling us so.

The thing is bridgeburner thats more or less what this is all about. What BDSM is all about, and thats taking your fantasies and making them a reality. Alot of people are unable to do that.

I'm all for pursuing a dream, but I'm also for keeping a level enough head to ensure I don't end up dead or chained to a bed servicing 50 customers a day in some 3rd world bordello.


-B

 

[bridgeburner]

To my knowledge it is a reality and while some may get $2 all up, others earn themselves or owners a lot more than even $40,000, There are a lot of people living their or others fantasies, just it can't be widely advertised in the local paper.

Catalina

That would be my assumption--- anyone legit wouldn't be advertising. People on the level are doing business by word of mouth and through a network of other like-minded individuals.

-B

 

[graceanne]

That would be my assumption--- anyone legit wouldn't be advertising. People on the level are doing business by word of mouth and through a network of other like-minded individuals.

-B

I actually said that, too. That if they had that kind of money they woudln't be advertising. Their would be plenty of women interested, and they'd be able to find them themselves.

 

[cati]

Yes, but that's not the way you presented it, Cati. You didn't say "Is this your ultimate fantasy? Wouldn't it be great if you could be owned in a perfect situation?" you said "What if you saw this ad in the paper?" and when people had questions you kept making caveats to do away with their concerns.

Ok and your point is?

You presented this as a real scenario and then gradually backed it down to "This is something that I'd love to experience in a totally safe way and I think it exists....maybe. I'm sure it could exist."

I don't believe I said anything of the kind. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Except that it's not free.

The transportation ie. to-and fro airfare is paid for, thats all I basically said.

It costs a year of your life and your service

and a person gets nothing out of it... that's ridiculous


Graceanne: I actually said that, too. That if they had that kind of money they woudln't be advertising. Their would be plenty of women interested, and they'd be able to find them themselves.

So Graceanne you are saying that plenty of women would be interested?

Look... I used the "newspaper" only as a way of finding out about the position.
Would it have made any difference if I had asked...how would you feel if a friend of a friend told you about an opening for "all purpose slave" would you be interested? It's a little easier in this medium to post the thing as an ad.

 

[catalina_francisco]

That would be my assumption--- anyone legit wouldn't be advertising. People on the level are doing business by word of mouth and through a network of other like-minded individuals.

-B

They do advertise in a network of like minded individuals....just like many businesses and things these days, it can reach further online. Are we any less real here because we are talking in an online forum about our RL or OL experiences instead of at a munch?

Catalina

 

[raven2]

They do advertise in a network of like minded individuals....just like many businesses and things these days, it can reach further online. Are we any less real here because we are talking in an online forum about our RL or OL experiences instead of at a munch?

Catalina

No we are not, only less accessible.

 

[cati]

True..smiles.

 

[graceanne]

So Graceanne you are saying that plenty of women would be interested?

I think that a lot of subs would, if it was someone they knew something about, and their was some trust involved. I personally wouldn't do it, but then I'm not a slave- I dont' intend to ever be one. Frankly, as a fantasy, it's hot.

 

[FurryFury]

I agree slave fantasies are hot. I have 'em ALL the damn time!

*smiles*

Fury

 

[bridgeburner]

Ok and your point is?

My point is that if you want to talk about "let's pretend..." or "How might this work..." then you should say so and not try to deflect legitimate questions and concerns by shrugging them off and changing your story.

I mean, that's the sort of thing you should mention up front. You say - Here's a situation in which you are assured of your safety and the integrity and responsible natures of all parties involved. Would you consider being the house slave to a European family for a year for the sum of $40K? Or for no money at all. Why has money got anything to do with it if it's your ultimate fantasy and they're paying your room and board?

I don't believe I said anything of the kind. Please don't put words in my mouth.

No, you did not explicitly state that this was an actual ad or a real position but the way in which you spoke about it muddied the waters. It wasn't initially clear --- at least not to me --- that you were talking about an idealized situation based on things you've read about.

The transportation ie. to-and fro airfare is paid for, thats all I basically said.

I really don't even know what you're talking about with this. It's not as if they're going to fly you over there and then let you change your mind. If you have to serve in order to fly then the flight is not free. This is an exchange. Your services for their money.

and a person gets nothing out of it... that's ridiculous

See, here's where the disconnect is happening, you're looking at this as win-win-win. You get a trip to Europe AND you get paid AND you get to be a slave all of which are plusses in your book. And I say, great! Truly. If you had presented this as I laid out earlier in this post I'd have said "Best of luck and bon voyage, send us a postcard." But you didn't. You left it open for us to all worry about what kinds of dangers might be entailed. How do you ensure your safety, how do you ensure you don't get ripped off, how do you ensure you aren't miserable etc.

You didn't present this as a "What would you do if someone wanted to pay you to eat bon-bons and get massages all day for a year?" kind of scenario. It was more of a "Would you take candy from a stranger in a raincoat on the shadowy side of the park if he told you he had a cute puppy in his car," kind of thing.

-B

 

[bridgeburner]

They do advertise in a network of like minded individuals....just like many businesses and things these days, it can reach further online. Are we any less real here because we are talking in an online forum about our RL or OL experiences instead of at a munch?

Catalina

My apologies, I should have been more explicit and repeated "advertising IN THE LOCAL PAPER" so as to ensure that you knew I was most definitely agreeing with you. ;->

And, no, I don't think we are any less real here, why do you ask?


-B

 

[cati]

Clarification

I have a friend who has a friend, a Dominant, a Captain in the American military who I also spoke to "online" (he was serving in Iraq, the war had not yet begun)
and she told me this is exactly what he does as a sideline. He has trained slaves in RL as well. He didn't talk to me about it and I didn't ask any questions, but I thought what if...what would it be like?
I didn't speak to him about a position because I had family obligations here. Since I have no other information to go on and have never spoken to any girl who had actually done this, I had to fill in the blanks for the purposes of this thread.
I was being vague and not giving out details because you never know whose reading this stuff and I'm sure this sort of thing would not go over well with his superiors, should they find out. Ok settled?
If you have a problem with how I'm replying to these posts bridgeburner why not post elsewhere?

 

[cati]

You left it open for us to all worry about what kinds of dangers might be entailed. How do you ensure your safety, how do you ensure you don't get ripped off, how do you ensure you aren't miserable etc.

You didn't present this as a "What would you do if someone wanted to pay you to eat bon-bons and get massages all day for a year?" kind of scenario. It was more of a "Would you take candy from a stranger in a raincoat on the shadowy side of the park if he told you he had a cute puppy in his car," kind of thing.

No you did this yourself.

 

[LadyAria]

Wanted : Female Slave to European Family

Employment Locations in Germany, Italy or France.​

1 Year Contract.
All travel expenses paid by certified "Slave Contractor" located in U.S.A
Wages Paid: $40,000 American, paid at end of contract period.
Must be between the ages of 25-35.
Must be educated, some college/university preferred.
Must be presentable and in excellent health.
Must be unattached and willing to travel with family.
Must have some training in housekeeping and child-care.
On call 24/7 with no days off.
2 weeks paid holiday at end of contract period.
Free to travel before returning home.​

Suppose you spotted this ad in a reputable BDSM newspaper or elsewhere.
Under what circumstances might you apply for this job? What more would you need to know before applying? If you could speak personally with the "reputable slave contractor" before sending in your resume, what questions would you ask him/her?

Note: Some duties required of the slave have not been mentioned in the ad.

Sounds like an interesting beginning to a book, but not for real life.

It seems more like a servant then a slave considering money is exchanging hands. Also, mixing children with sex slaves is a bit odd. Most would separate out their sex toys from the nursery. Also, 24/7 for $40K for 25-35 year seems like chicken feed. Also, who is doing their taxes? Having been overseas for work purposes, duel filing is a bitch.

 

[cati]

Thanks Lady Aria for your valuable input. I didn't intially say anything about being a sex slave, I said "what if you were asked to serve sexually". Things just have a way of snowballing....

 

[catalina_francisco]

Thanks Lady Aria for your valuable input. I didn't intially say anything about being a sex slave, I said "what if you were asked to serve sexually". Things just have a way of snowballing....

It's the fault of all our deviot, perverted, over active imaginations...and some of my recent places to hang have not helped.

Catalina

 

[bridgeburner]

I was being vague and not giving out details because you never know whose reading this stuff and I'm sure this sort of thing would not go over well with his superiors, should they find out. Ok settled?

No, since this isn't information anyone needed in the context of the initial question. I'm not questioning the fact that these kinds of situations exist. That wasn't the issue.

If you have a problem with how I'm replying to these posts bridgeburner why not post elsewhere?

Why would I do that?