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[bridgeburner]

You left it open for us to all worry about what kinds of dangers might be entailed. How do you ensure your safety, how do you ensure you don't get ripped off, how do you ensure you aren't miserable etc.

You didn't present this as a "What would you do if someone wanted to pay you to eat bon-bons and get massages all day for a year?" kind of scenario. It was more of a "Would you take candy from a stranger in a raincoat on the shadowy side of the park if he told you he had a cute puppy in his car," kind of thing.

No you did this yourself.

Are you claiming that I'm the only person who had any questions about safety or concerns about risk or who mentioned that it wasn't great money? If so, you need to go back and re-read because you're mistaken.

Others brought up concerns about how to verify the integrity of the procurer, matters of law, SSC and what kind of person might expect to pay only $40K for such a service.

You explained a lot of them away kind of half-heartedly and I could let that go except for the fact that you seem completely unable to comprehend why anyone at all sees that there is any risk involved in going off with strangers to a foreign country to serve as their slave for a year.

 

[cati]

My questions were as follows: Under what circumstances might you apply for this job? What more would you need to know before applying? If you could speak personally with the "reputable slave contractor" before sending in your resume, what questions would you ask him/her?
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Rebecca mentioned issues of law and about the contractor "being certified".
She agreed that $40,000 wasn't very much money, considering what might be at risk.

Graceanne questioned the need for wealthy people to advertise at all and about being paid. She also voiced concerns about the proprietor being a pedophile.

Brioche worried about the possibility of not being paid at the end of the contract period.

Graceanne once again brought up the issue of how the position was being advertised.

Lady Aria brought up the point of mixing slave-sex if there were children in the family. She agreed that the wage was poor.

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Are you claiming that I'm the only person who had any questions about safety or concerns about risk or who mentioned that it wasn't great money? If so, you need to go back and re-read because you're mistaken.

Nope not at all, I'm claiming jack squat. Two other people stated that the wage was poor. Many people voiced concerns about their safety.

Others brought up concerns about how to verify the integrity of the procurer, matters of law, SSC and what kind of person might expect to pay only $40K for such a service.

Uhuh they sure did. Why don't you tell us how a person might verify the integrity of the procurer? I'd love to know.

You explained a lot of them away kind of half-heartedly and I could let that go except for the fact that you seem completely unable to comprehend why anyone at all sees that there is any risk involved in going off with strangers to a foreign country to serve as their slave for a year.

I seem unable to comprehend...excuse me? Don't be ridiculous.

Let's look at this again hypothetically, cause really the thread should have been understood to be a hypothetical question. What would you do if....

Or we could look at it another way. Suppose I were the slave contractor and posted this ad. Wouldn't I want to do everything I could to aleviate peoples fears?

 

[cati]

A question:

I'm kinda curious bridge...umm what sex are you...male, female or a little of both...or does it depend on the thread?

 

[catalina_francisco]

I'm kinda curious bridge...umm what sex are you...male, female or a little of both...or does it depend on the thread?

LOL, bb is fairly straight forward, open and honest and from my experience not given to saying one thing one place, another someplace else...the gender thing I will leave to bb to answer if they feel inclined.

Catalina

 

[bridgeburner]

Nope not at all, I'm claiming jack squat.

Except that you just did. I said you gave us a scenario that left us all open to worries about safety and security and you said "No, you just did." So please explain to me what you meant because it isn't clear at all.

I seem unable to comprehend...excuse me? Don't be ridiculous.

I truly don't think I am, a bit persistent, perhaps, but I'll take you through it step by step as I saw it and show you exactly why I felt you were being more than a bit blase about people's legitimate concerns.

You got several questions which you have reiterated yourself. Specifically about the legitimacy of the Slave Contractor, issues of law, the specifics of the contract, payment and SSC for lack of a better term.

When asked about the Slave Contractor you replied:

I made up the term certified Slave Contractor. It just means that this individual has certain European connections. If there is a demand he wants to supply and gets paid generously for his/her services..

So, essentially he's just a guy with pointy loafers and an accent who knows some people?


When asked about issues of law you said:

Gotta throw issues of law out the window. You as an applicant, and the employers are screened by the "man" before hand..

Law-shmaw! Pointy Loafer Man has it covered.


When asked about specifics of the contract you said:

The term "slave" implies exactly that..

Are we talking Roman Galley Slaves or Anne Rice Princess Slaves? There isn't any all-encompassing definition for slave that everyone agrees on that we can just do away with the fine print here.


You then go on to assure us that our wages wouldn't be taxed or have any fees removed but, truly, 40K just isn't that much money. Not when you look at it from the other side. If you're the kind of person who can afford to buy a slave you probably spent more than....well, let's just say that $40K doesn't even buy all that much luxury car these days. Not for the truly wealthy. And if you're going to try and come back into the states and not give Uncle Sam his cut then you're looking to spend some time in jail.

And then you ask:

Out of curiousity what would an applicant be risking?

I took you at your word. I assumed it hadn't occurred to you that there was risk involved and I was amazed that it should be so. The risk seemed clear to everyone else in the thread, but not to you. And, frankly, that's just a little bit scary.

 

[bridgeburner]

I have never been able to figure out why people think I'm a guy. I must not flirt enough.

Where's Netzach? I could offer to suck her dick.


-B

 

[cati]

.... that's funny Netzach and her strap on, good one! I hope she see's the humour in that one.
... umm well some of us...like me, like to read people's old posts to see where their heads at and I'd say yours is at the end of your cock. Want me to drag up some of your posts Bub?

 

[bridgeburner]

Feel free, but I'm not in the habit of leaving my brains in the nightstand drawer as most folks here could tell you.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Feel free, but I'm not in the habit of leaving my brains in the nightstand drawer as most folks here could tell you.

Oh, I could certainly agree there....your brain is usually on overdrive in the best possible way. Have missed your spark and thought provoking discussions. Now will Netz take you up on your offer, and can we have pics please?

Catalina

 

[cati]

You know what smart guy. You've got me. I give up. Your absolutely right.
I can't compete with a brain like your's so..... take this thread and shove it up your scrawny ass.

 

[bridgeburner]

Oh, I could certainly agree there....your brain is usually on overdrive in the best possible way. Have missed your spark and thought provoking discussions. Now will Netz take you up on your offer, and can we have pics please?

Catalina

Well, Netz would look lovely as always. I do not engage in photography as I fear the loss of my soul which I've promised elsewhere if you know what I mean. ;->

-B

 

[FurryFury]

Well, Netz would look lovely as always. I do not engage in photography as I fear the loss of my soul which I've promised elsewhere if you know what I mean. ;->

-B

That that made me chuckle and I needed a chuckle right about now.

Thanks,

Fury

 

[raven2]

That that made me chuckle and I needed a chuckle right about now.

Thanks,

Fury

I would send you some, but I haven't seen chuckles candy in years.

 

[FurryFury]

I would send you some, but I haven't seen chuckles candy in years.

I never even heard of it!

Candy you say?

Is it sweet like you?

*winks*

Fury

 

[raven2]

I never even heard of it!

Candy you say?

Is it sweet like you?

*winks*

Fury

Of course. It is a jelly candy with sugar on the outside.

 

[graceanne]

Where's Netzach?


-B

On vacation, and no doubt wearing herself out.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Well, Netz would look lovely as always. I do not engage in photography as I fear the loss of my soul which I've promised elsewhere if you know what I mean. ;->

-B

Damn, damn, damn....though Netzach may insist...she has put up some very nice pics of late.

Catalina

 

[bridgeburner]

On vacation, and no doubt wearing herself out.

So long as she's also wearing out M in the process then all is right with the world!

 

[cati]

I said you gave us a scenario that left us all open to worries about safety and security and you said "No, you just did." So please explain to me what you meant because it isn't clear at all.

If you're going to quote me then please be accurate.
I should have said that YOU made yourself (the readers, people posting here) got yourselves worried about these issues. I have no control over how people are going to react.

Being worried about these issues is only natural. So I poo poohed it..so what?
If you read my posts I said that there might be a possibility of having to serve the employer or their guests sexually (each employer is different) There is a possibility of being lonely, depressed etc. ...did I mention culture shock.

I also said in the initial post that some details of the ad were left out.

Who knows what a girl is going to feel. You don't know and I don't know. I think I said that as well.
... and I believe I said that what if I were "the procurer of slave flesh", (loafers and all... lets make them Italian loafers ok?) wouldn't I be wise to "pooh pooh" these fears to get a female slave to apply for this position?

Does it matter if the girl is an Anne Rice slave or a galley slave? What's your point there? This wouldn't be the only posting for a slave, as catalina stated earlier...there are many ads, many types of employers, just as there are many kinds of slaves with various talents

So, essentially he's just a guy with pointy loafers and an accent who knows some people?

You can describe him/her any way you like. Let your imagination run wild.

When asked about issues of law you said: Gotta throw issues of law out the window.

Umm yeah 'cause slavery is against the law..duh. I was referring to it being illegal, I wasn't talking about anything else here.

I assumed it hadn't occurred to you that there was risk involved and I was amazed that it should be so. The risk seemed clear to everyone else in the thread, but not to you. And, frankly, that's just a little bit scary.

Do I need to post my real feelings on the subject. I don't think so.

Cash. Tax free. Nothing deducted. The procurer is generously paid before hand by the employer. The contractor receives no cut from your wages.
Out of curiousity what would an applicant be risking?

You answered the question for us all Bub. Kudos.

I appreciate your input Bridgeburner.. really I do. I have to ask... have you finished raking this thread over the coals. Another bridge burned perhaps?

 

[cati]

Thanks all.

Yanno, I wanted to start a thread here for quite awhile, something a little different....kinda short and sweet. Well I've done what I set out to do. This thread was meant to be open to discussion of all sorts and I appreciate the fact that many people participated and shared their views. But now, for one reason or another, the "joy" has been sucked out of it.
I don't want to sound like a whimp, but I didn't expect that some person would come in and deliberately "pick apart" and ruin a thread that was in essence purely hypothetical and directed towards the women of Lit.

 

[bridgeburner]

Cati,

I'm surprised to see you back after your spectacularly mature exit the other evening. What the JOLog has to do with this thread I can't imagine, but I can see that you're just barely managing to get all your gray cells swimming in the same direction so I'll be as clear and analogy free as I possibly can to help you out.

You cannot expect people to take you seriously when you flip back and forth between reality and fantasy without rhyme or reason. If you want to play fantasy games then you should say so. When people ask you legitimate questions about real-life fears you shouldn't try to brush them off with inanities.

If you're not the least bit afraid to meet a strange man in a foreign country and sell yourself as a slave into unspecified service to persons unknown then you're an idiot.

The BDSM scene gets a bad rap because of stupid little girls who are so eager to live their dream and render the gift of their submission that they can't be bothered to check references or have a safe call or take any kind of reasonable measures to ensure that they don't end up as meat for some sicko.

It goes the other way too. There are plenty of Dominants who've been burned by what they thought was the perfect submissive or pain-slut or slave who swore up and down she wanted whatever he could dish out and he took her everwhere she said she wanted to go and when the morning came she changed her mind and had the bruises and the semen to convince the cops.

So don't sit there like a petulant child calling names and brushing off the legitimate concerns of people who have shown themselves to have far more sense than you. You've been treated with respect and indulgence and in response you've offered up nothing but a bunch of silliness and rudeness.

 

[graceanne]

So long as she's also wearing out M in the process then all is right with the world!

LOL - I'm sure she is.

 

[bridgeburner]

Yanno, I wanted to start a thread here for quite awhile, something a little different....kinda short and sweet. Well I've done what I set out to do. This thread was meant to be open to discussion of all sorts and I appreciate the fact that many people participated and shared their views. But now, for one reason or another, the "joy" has been sucked out of it.
I don't want to sound like a whimp, but I didn't expect that some jerk would come in and deliberately "pick apart" and ruin a thread that was in essence purely hypothetical and directed towards the women of Lit.

Cati,

In all the time I've been here you're the first person ever to think I'm some jerk. Seriously. I think you didn't like my tone because you didn't understand it. I think you didn't understand a lot of what people were asking. I think a lot of us didn't understand what it was you wanted us to be thinking about.

You appear totally uninterested in the first things that come to our minds:

How do we verify the legitimacy of the offer?
How do we verify the legitimacy of the employers?
How do we ensure our safety?

Yes, all the subs get weak in the knees wondering what wonderful service they might be put to, but if you can't think with the Big Head before you let the Little Head sign your name on the dotted line you end up in pieces in a barrel in a landfill. No joke.

So when you say "Who cares who the Slave Contractor is" and "Who cares what the rules are" and "Who cares what the duties are" we all think you're either incredibly irresponsible or out of your fucking mind?

Does that make any sense to you at all? Do you understand what I've been saying all this time? That I'm not exercised over the fantasy or reality of something but only with the fact that you seem not to comprehend the fundamental safety measures that we all must deal in?

 

[bridgeburner]

LOL - I'm sure she is.

They sooooo deserve a vacation. I hope they're taking lots of pictures!!!

 

[cati]

Bridgeburner Sir

I apologize for storming off. Call it a hormonal imbalance.

In all the time I've been here you're the first person ever to think I'm some jerk. Seriously. I think you didn't like my tone because you didn't understand it.

Well I don't know you from Adam. You haven't come across as a very pleasant man just a pompous know- it- all- Dom.

How could anyone not understood your tone? I understood full well. You spoke very seriously about a very serious issue.

I think you didn't understand a lot of what people were asking. I think a lot of us didn't understand what it was you wanted us to be thinking about.

I understood full well what the others were saying in their posts. But how is it you are able to speak for them as well as yourself?

You appear totally uninterested in the first things that come to our minds:

Never assume.

How do we verify the legitimacy of the offer?
How do we verify the legitimacy of the employers?
How do we ensure our safety?

How can I answer those questions when I don't know myself. I challenged you to find out "how one might find out if an offer is legitimate", have you done this...have you come up with even one suggestion. No.

All you have done Sir is berate me for my apparent lack of concern for the safety of any slave who might apply for such a position.

What I don't understand is why you keep repeating yourself and bringing up these same issues over and over again. For the life of me I can't understand what it is you want me to say, or admit to...just as say you don't know what I want everyone who reads this "ad" "to think".

Yes, all the subs get weak in the knees wondering what wonderful service they might be put to,

I spoke about that many times..service I mean. What weak kneed sub spoke of wonderful service... or having a great time of it for that matter...not I.

So when you say "Who cares who the Slave Contractor is" and "Who cares what the rules are" and "Who cares what the duties are" we all think you're either incredibly irresponsible or out of your fucking mind?

I have explained that several times to you in earlier posts, you seem to ignore that fact. If you are going to quote me please be accurate. You are twisting my words very badly.

Does that make any sense to you at all? Do you understand what I've been saying all this time? That I'm not exercised over the fantasy or reality of something but only with the fact that you seem not to comprehend the fundamental safety measures that we all must deal in?

I don't know how you've come to that conclusion. You assume that I don't give a darn or don't understand or refuse to understand the seriousness of such an endeavor. True, I haven't come straight out and said that I agree with anyone's post..or not many, but what of that?

I have attempted to discuss a topic in a "lighthearted" manner. You chose to get way, way too serious about this.

Tell me... why is it neccessary for me to repeat what someone else has already said.. concerns about safety etc.
Again, you assume that perhaps I'm naive and perhaps I am, but just because I haven't come straight out and agreed with someone's post directly, doesn't mean I don't take what they have said seriously...or issues of slavery seriously.

I understand and have understood what you have said from the very beginning Sir, it's you who can't seem to grasp what I have already admitted to, that I don't have all the answers. Perhaps it might have been too simply stated for you to notice.

Yes I've been rude, unlike the lovely and well mannered Furry Fury I won't apologize for my being "disrespectful". Not that Fury ever could be...