Having trouble figuring out why California is in the shitter?

[Sonny Limatina]

No, actually right here is where you make up shit that I never said.

If you think that eliminating a board or agency would be a good idea then you need to have some kind of data to back up that assertion. Perhaps eliminating something would be a good idea, maybe not. But the fact is that you don't know what these agencies are doing. Until you have some actual information, you're just engaging in more angry baseless bitching.

Just to illustrate your ignorant bitching, let's look at this Biodiversity Council.

About the California Biodiversity Council The California Biodiversity Council (CBC) was formed in 1991 to improve coordination and cooperation between the various resource management and environmental protection organizations at federal, state, and local levels. Strengthening ties between local communities and governments has been a focus of the Council by way of promoting strong local leadership and encouraging comprehensive solutions to regional issues.

The Council was not created to independently establish new projects nor to become another bureaucracy. Rather, its purpose is to discuss, coordinate, and assist in developing strategies and complementary policies for conserving biodiversity. Members exchange information, resolve conflicts, and promote development of regional conservation practices.

The Council has 42 members, including 20 state agencies, 12 federal agencies, and 10 local governments. It is chaired by California Secretary for Resources Mike Chrisman and Bureau of Land Management California State Director Mike Pool.

The Council meets 2-3 times a year on issues relating to natural resource conservation in California.

It's a discussion group that meets only 2-3 times per year. It has zero employees and zero bureaucracy. Its goal is to help the government work better. That means taxpayer money is better-spent and possibly less-spent.

Information like this doesn't matter to you though. You look at things like this through your lens of blinding ignorance and bullshit partisan indoctination.

Not to poke my nose in, but Ham's a bright guy. He's a conservative, like you're a liberal. In and of itself, that doesn't mean anything good or bad about either of you. Why not ask, instead of accuse? The accusation itself is its own form of 'blinding ignorance and bullshit partisan indoctrination'--and the answer just might have been interesting.

 

[Luk]

I'm gonna choke and then flush them away the next time they do it.

Some say the end is near
Some say we'll see armageddon soon
I certainly hope we will
I sure could use a vacation from this

Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away
Any fucking time. Any fucking day
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay

Fret for your figure and
Fret for your latte and
Fret for your hairpiece and
Fret for your lawsuit and
Fret for your prozac and
Fret for your pilot and
Fret for your contract and
Fret for your car

It's a
Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Silly shit, stupid shit...

One great big festering neon distraction,
I've a suggestion to keep you CALIFORNICATORS all occupied...

Learn to swim.














Learn to swim.

I know how to swim! I also appreciate the TOOL reference.

 

[mercury14]

Not to poke my nose in, but Ham's a bright guy. He's a conservative, like you're a liberal. In and of itself, that doesn't mean anything good or bad about either of you. Why not ask, instead of accuse? The accusation itself is its own form of 'blinding ignorance and bullshit partisan indoctrination'--and the answer just might have been interesting.

I'm not being partisan here at all. And yes I am accusing him of making baseless ignorant accusations because that's what he's doing.

I'm certain that there is room for streamlining in all levels of government and everyone agrees that it should be done. But C&Ping a list of government agencies and claiming that "90% of them should be eliminated" - while having no real knowledge of their function or efficacy - is clearly both highly ignorant and baseless.

Ham may be bright, I don't know. But parroting Sarah Palin sound bytes like this make him look dim as hell.

 

[Morcheeba]

I know how to swim! I also appreciate the TOOL reference.

Meet you in Arizona Bay, then

 

[Luk]

Meet you in Arizona Bay, then

I will bring Maynard with me, he is on *speed dial.

*Cheebs, not that kind of speed.

 

[Sonny Limatina]

I'm not being partisan here at all. And yes I am accusing him of making baseless ignorant accusations because that's what he's doing.

I'm certain that there is room for streamlining in all levels of government and everyone agrees that it should be done. But C&Ping a list of government agencies and claiming that "90% of them should be eliminated" - while having no real knowledge of their function or efficacy - is clearly both highly ignorant and baseless.

Ham may be bright, I don't know. But parroting Sarah Palin sound bytes like this make him look dim as hell.

I can't speak for Ham. But the idea that government is way too big and could/should be trimmed significantly is pretty standard among conservatives--just as moral outrage and shock! shock! that anyone would ever suggest cutting anything is among liberals.

Something's clearly wrong in CA. That list is not perfect, and I agree it's suspect on a variety of levels. But a flat dismissal of anyone who would dare suggest the CA government appears to be spending more than it's making--which it is--is not making you look all that un-Palinesque either.

 

[mercury14]

I can't speak for Ham. But the idea that government is way too big and could/should be trimmed significantly is pretty standard among conservatives--just as moral outrage and shock! shock! that anyone would ever suggest cutting anything is among liberals.

Something's clearly wrong in CA. That list is not perfect, and I agree it's suspect on a variety of levels. But a flat dismissal of anyone who would dare suggest the CA government appears to be spending more than it's making--which it is--is not making you look all that un-Palinesque either.

And that's perfectly fine. But it's absurd to say "I don't know what government does, but let's get rid of it." Sorry, that's just pure ignorance and stupidity.

A sensble person would conduct a little analysis and actually try being informed.

 

[Daehreppoc]

I smell bullshit.

The California Governors salary is $212,179. This guy pulled down over twice that much as a public official? Legally?

Yea...right.....

And as far as all those leaving the state and Califorinating other places, keep the fuckers at home, or at the very least send them east. We don't need any more of your rejects up here. We are infested with enough already.



Comshaw

Send them South, or better, West...

 

[JustaSCOUNDREL]

how can i get appointed to this one?

Pete, I would suggest you get a sex change and then declare you are a lesbian. Just my guess and I am not responsible for any actions may take as a result of my non legal advise.

 

[JustaSCOUNDREL]

Nope.

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/schwarzenegger.jpg

I do have trouble figuring out why people carry on voting Republican though.

So the fact the state of California has a $20 Billion debt and seems to be incapable of fixing something that is forbidden by the state constitution. That California is one of the most heavily taxed states. That companies and individuals are leaving the state daily for greener pastures.(Less taxes and lower cost of living) That California votes heavily for Democrats and you are surprised people vote for Republicans?

The definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results!

Damn, you can teach 'em but you can't larn 'em!

 

[doctorshock]

Rino

Hmmm, California has had a Republican Governor for the better part of the last 10 years, preceded by a Democrat and to be followed by one.

I'm going to go with 'California politicians are worthless' for $1,000, Alex.

The Gubernator is only a republican in name. I was amazed at what a wimp he was when the rubber hit the road. I guess that's what you get when 60% of the poulation wants somthing for nothing.

 

[Karen Kraft]

The reason California is broke and will remain broke.


LIST OF STATE OF CALIFORNIA AGENCIES:

* California Academic Performance Index (API)
* California Access for Infants and Mothers
* California Acupuncture Board
* California Administrative Office of the Courts
* California Adoptions Branch
* California African American Museum
* California Agricultural Export Program
* California Agricultural Labor Relations Board
* California Agricultural Statistics Service
* California Air Resources Board (CARB)
* California Allocation Board
* California Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority
* California Animal Health and Food Safety Services
* California Anti-Terrorism Information Center
* California Apprenticeship Council
* California Arbitration Certification Program
* California Architects Board
* California Area VI Developmental Disabilities Board
* California Arts Council
* California Asian Pacific Islander Legislative Caucus
* California Assembly Democratic Caucus
* California Assembly Republican Caucus
* California Athletic Commission
* California Attorney General
* California Bay Conservation and Development Commission
* California Bay-Delta Authority
* California Bay-Delta Office
* California Biodiversity Council
* Califor nia Board for Geologists and Geophysicists
* California Board for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
* California Board of Accountancy
* California Board of Barbering and Cosmetology
* California Board of Behavioral Sciences
* California Board of Chiropractic Examiners
* California Board of Equalization (BOE)
* California Board of Forestry and Fire Protection
* California Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind
* California Board of Occupational Therapy
* California Board of Optometry
* California Board of Pharmacy
* California Board of Podiatric Medicine
* California Board of Prison Terms
* California Board of Psychology
* California Board of Registered Nursing
* California Board of Trustees
* California Board of Vocational Nursing and Psychiatric Technicians
* California Braille and Talking Book Library
* California Building Standards Commission
* California Bureau for Private Post Ssecondary and Vocational Education
* California Bureau of Automotive Repair
* California Bureau of Electronic and Appliance Repair
* California Bureau of Home Furnishings and Thermal Insulation
* California Bureau of Naturopathic Medicine
* California Bureau of Security and Investigative Services
* California Bureau of State Audits
* California Business Agency
* California Business Investment Services (CalBIS)
* California Business Permit Information (CalGOLD)
* California Business Portal
* California Business, Transportation and Housing Agency
* California Cal Grants
* California CalJOBS
* California Cal-Learn Program
* California CalVet Home Loan Program
* California Career Resource Network
* California Cemetery and Funeral Bureau
* California Center for Analytical Chemistry
* California Center for Distributed Learning
* California Center for Teaching Careers (Teach California)
* California Chancellors Office
* California Charter Schools
* California Children and Families Commission
* California Children and Family Services Division
* California Citizens Compensation Commission
* California Civil Rights Bureau
* California Coastal Commission
* California Coastal Conservancy
* California Code of Regulations
* California Collaborative Projects with UC Davis
* California Commission for Jobs and Economic Growth
* California Commission on Aging
* California Commission on Health and Safety and Workers Compensation
* California Commission on Judicial Performance
* California Commission on State Mandates
* California Commission on Status of Women
* California Commission on Teacher Credentialing
* California Commission on the Status of Women
* California Committee on Dental Auxiliaries
* California Community Colleges Chancellors Office, Junior Colleges
* California Community Colleges Chancellors Office
* California Complaint Mediation Program
* California Conservation Corps
* California Constitution Revision Commission
* California Consumer Hotline
* California Consumer Information Center
* California Consumer Information
* California Consumer Services Division
* California Consumers and Families Agency
* California Contractors State License Board
* California Corrections Standards Authority
* California Council for the Humanities
* California Council on Criminal Justice
* California Council on Developmental Disabilities
* California Court Reporters Board
* California Courts of Appeal
* California Crime and Violence Prevention Center
* California Criminal Justice Statistics Center
* California Criminalist Institute Forensic Library
* California CSGnet Network Management
* California Cultural and Historical Endowment
* California Cultural Resources Division
* California Curriculum and Instructional Leadership Branch
* California Data Exchange Center
* California Data Management Division
* California Debt and Investment Advisory Commission
* California Delta Protection Commission
* California Democratic Caucus
* California Demographic Research Unit
* California Dental Auxiliaries
* California Department of Aging
* California Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs
* California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control Appeals Board
* California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control
* California Department of Boating and Waterways (Cal Boating)
* California Department of Child Support Services (CDCSS)
* California Department of Community Services and Development
* California Department of Conservation
* California Department of Consumer Affairs
* California Department of Corporations
* California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation
* California Department of Developmental Services
* California Department of Education
* California Department of Fair Employment and Housing
* California Department of Finance
* California Department of Financial Institutions
* California Department of Fish and Game
* California Department of Food and Agriculture
* California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (CDF)
* California Department of General Services
* California Department of General Services, Office of State Publishing
* California Department of Health Care Services
* California Department of Housing and Community Development
* California Department of Industrial Relations (DIR)
* California Department of Insurance
* California Department of Justice Firearms Division
* California Department of Justice Opinion Unit
* California Department of Justice, Consumer Information, Public Inquiry Unit
* California Department of Justice
* California Department of Managed Health Care
* California Department of Mental Health
* California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV)
* California Department of Personnel Administration
* California Department of Pesticide Regulation
* California Department of Public Health
* California Department of Real Estate
* California Department of Rehabilitation
* California Department of Social Services Adoptions Branch
* California Department of Social Services
* California Department of Technology Services Training Center (DTSTC)
* California Department of Technology Services (DTS)
* California Department of Toxic Substances Control
* California Department of Transportation (Caltrans)
* California Department of Veterans Affairs (CalVets)
* California Department of Water Resources
* California Departmento de Vehiculos Motorizados
* California Digital Library
* California Disabled Veteran Business Enterprise Certification Program
* California Division of Apprenticeship Standards
* California Division of Codes and Standards
* California Division of Communicable Disease Control
* California Division of Engineering
* California Division of Environmental and Occupational Disease Control
* California Division of Gambling Control
* California Division of Housing Policy Development
* California Division of Labor Standards Enforcement
* California Division of Labor Statistics and Research
* California Division of Land and Right of Way
* California Division of Land Resource Protection
* California Division of Law Enforcement General Library
* California Division of Measurement Standards
* California Division of Mines and Geology
* California Division of Occupational Safety and Health (Cal/OSHA)
* California Division of Oil, Gas and Geothermal Resources
* California Division of Planning and Local Assistance
* California Division of Recycling
* California Division of Safety of Dams
* California Division of the State Architect
* California Division of Tourism
* California Division of Workers Compensation Medical Unit
* California Division of Workers Compensation
* California Economic Assistance, Business and Community Resources
* California Economic Strategy Panel
* California Education and Training Agency
* California Education Audit Appeals Panel
* California Educational Facilities Authority
* California Elections Division
* California Electricity Oversight Board
* California Emergency Management Agency
* California Emergency Medical Services Authority
* California Employment Development Department (EDD)
* California Employment Information State Jobs
* California Employment Training Panel
* California Energy Commission
* California Environment and Natural Resources Agency
* California Environmental Protection Agency (Cal/EPA)
* California Environmental Resources Evaluation System (CERES)
* California Executive Office
* California Export Laboratory Services
* California Exposition and State Fair (Cal Expo)
* California Fair Political Practices Commission
* California Fairs and Expositions Division
* California Film Commission
* California Fire and Resource Assessment Program
* California Firearms Division
* California Fiscal Services
* California Fish and Game Commission
* California Fisheries Program Branch
* California Floodplain Management
* California Foster Youth Help
* California Franchise Tax Board (FTB)
* California Fraud Division
* California Gambling Control Commission
* California Geographic Information Systems Council (GIS)
* California Geological Survey
* California Government Claims and Victim Compensation Board
* California Governors Committee for Employment of Disabled Persons
* California Governors Mentoring Partnership
* California Governors Office of Emergency Services
* California Governors Office of Homeland Security
* California Governors Office of Planning and Research
* California Governors Office
* California Grant and Enterprise Zone Programs HCD Loan
* California Health and Human Services Agency
* California Health and Safety Agency
* California Healthy Families Program
* California Hearing Aid Dispensers Bureau
* California High-Speed Rail Authority
* California Highway Patrol (CHP)
* California History and Culture Agency
* California Horse Racing Board
* California Housing Finance Agency
* California Indoor Air Quality Program
* California Industrial Development Financing Advisory Commission
* California Industrial Welfare Commission
* California InFoPeople
* California Information Center for the Environment
* California Infrastructure and Economic Development Bank (I-Bank)
* California Inspection Services
* California Institute for County Government
* California Institute for Education Reform
* California Integrated Waste Management Board
* California Interagency Ecological Program
* California Job Service
* California Junta Estatal de Personal
* California Labor and Employment Agency
* California Labor and Workforce Development Agency
* California Labor Market Information Division
* California Land Use Planning Information Network (LUPIN)
* California Lands Commission
* California Landscape Architects Technical Committee
* California Latino Legislative Caucus
* California Law Enforcement Branch
* California Law Enforcement General Library
* California Law Revision Commission
* California Legislative Analyst's Office
* California Legislative Black Caucus
* California Legislative Counsel
* California Legislative Division
* California Legislative Information
* California Legislative Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender (LGBT) Caucus
* California Legislature Internet Caucus
* California Library De velopment Services
* California License and Revenue Branch
* California Major Risk Medical Insurance Program
* California Managed Risk Medical Insurance Board
* California Maritime Academy
* California Marketing Services
* California Measurement Standards
* California Medical Assistance Commission
* California Medical Care Services
* California Military Department
* California Mining and Geology Board
* California Museum for History, Women, and the Arts
* California Museum Resource Center
* California National Guard
* California Native American Heritage Commission
* California Natural Community Conservation Planning Program
* California New Motor Vehicle Board
* California Nursing Home Administrator Program
* California Occupational Safety and Health Appeals Board
* California Occupational Safety and Health Standards Board
* California Ocean Resources Management Program
* California Office of Administrative Hearings
* California Office of Administrative Law
* California Office of AIDS
* California Office of Binational Border Health
* California Office of Child Abuse Prevention
* California Office of Deaf Access
* California Office of Emergency Services (OES)
* California Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment
* California Office of Fiscal Services
* California Office of Fleet Administration
* California Office of Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) Implementation (CalOHI)
* California Office of Historic Preservation
* California Office of Homeland Security
* California Office of Human Resources
* California Office of Legal Services
* California Office of Legislation
* California Office of Lieutenant Governor
* California Office of Military and Aerospace Support
* California Office of Mine Reclamation
* California Office of Natural Resource Education
* California Office of Privacy Protection
* California Office of Public School Construction
* California Office of Real Estate Appraisers
* California Office of Risk and Insurance Management
* California Office of Services to the Blind
* California Office of Spill Prevention and Response
* California Office of State Publishing (OSP)
* California Office of Statewide Health Planning and Development
* California Office of Systems Integration
* California Office of the Inspector General
* California Office of the Ombudsman
* California Office of the Patient Advocate
* California Office of the President
* California Office of the Secretary for Education
* California Office of the State Fire Marshal
* California Office of the State Public Defender
* California Office of Traffic Safety
* California Office of Vital Records
* California Online Directory
* California Operations Control Office
* California Opinion Unit
* California Outreach and Technical Assistance Network (OTAN)
* California Park and Recreation Commission
* California Peace Officer Standards and Training (POST)
* California Performance Review (CPR)
* California Permit Information for Business (CalGOLD)
* California Physical Therapy Board
* California Physician Assistant Committee
* California Plant Health and Pest Prevention Services
* California Policy and Evaluation Division
* California Political Reform Division
* California Pollution Control Financing Authority
* California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
* California Postsecondary Education Commission
* California Prevention Services
* California Primary Care and Family Health
* California Prison Industry Authority
* California Procurement Division
* California Public Employees Retirement System (CalPERS)
* California Public Employment Relations Board (PERB)
* California Public Utilities Commission (PUC)
* California Real Estate Services Division
* California Refugee Programs Branch
* California Regional Water Quality Control Boards
* California Registered Veterinary Technician Committee
* California Registrar of Charitable Trusts
* California Republican Caucus
* California Research and Development Di vision
* California Research Bureau
* California Resources Agency
* California Respiratory Care Board
* California Rivers Assessment
* California Rural Health Policy Council
* California Safe Schools
* California San Francisco Bay Conservation and Development Commission
* California San Gabriel and Lower Los Angeles Rivers and Mountains Conservancy
* California San Joaquin River Conservancy
* California School to Career
* California Science Center
* California Scripps Institution of Oceanography
* California Secretary of State Business Portal
* California Secretary of State
* California Seismic Safety Commission
* California Self Insurance Plans (SIP)
* California Senate Office of Research
* California Small Business and Disabled Veteran Business Enterprise Certification Program
* California Small Business Development Center Program
* California Smart Growth Caucus
* California Smog Check Information Center
* California Spatial Information Library
* California Special Education Division
* California Speech-Language Pathology and Audiology Board
* California Standardized Testing and Reporting (STAR)
* California Standards and Assessment Division
* California State Administrative Manual (SAM)
* California State Allocation Board
* California State and Consumer Services Agency
* California State Architect
* California State Archives
* California State Assembly
* California State Association of Counties (CSAC)
* California State Board of Education
* California State Board of Food and Agriculture
* California Office of the Chief Information Officer (OCIO)
* California State Childrens Trust Fund
* California State Compensation Insurance Fund
* California State Contracts Register Program
* California State Contracts Register
* California State Controller
* California State Council on Developmental Disabilities (SCDD)
* California State Disability Insurance (SDI)
* California State Fair (Cal Expo)
* California State Jobs Employment Information
* California State Lands Commission
* California State Legislative Portal
* California State Legislature
* California State Library Catalog
* California State Library Services Bureau
* California State Library
* California State Lottery
* California State Mediation and Conciliation Service
* California State Mining and Geology Board
* California State Park and Recreation Commission
* California State Parks
* California State Personnel Board
* California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
* California State Railroad Museum
* California State Science Fair
* California State Senate
* California State Summer School for Mathematics and Science (COSMOS)
* California State Summer School for the Arts
* California State Superintendent of Public Instruction
* California State Teachers Retirement System (CalSTRS)
* California State Treasurer
* California State University Center for Distributed Learning
* California State University, Bakersfield
* California State University, Channel Islands
* California State University, Chico
* California State University, Dominguez Hills
* California State University, East Bay
* California State University, Fresno
* California State University, Fullerton
* California State University, Long Beach
* California State University, Los Angeles
* California State University, Monterey Bay
* California State University, Northridge
* California State University, Sacramento
* California State University, San Bernardino
* California State University, San Marcos
* California State University, Stanislaus
* California State University (CSU)
* California State Water Project Analysis Office
* California State Water Project
* California State Water Resources Control Board
* California Structural Pest Control Board
* California Student Aid Commission
* California Superintendent of Public Instruction
* California Superior Courts
* California Tahoe Conservancy
* California Task Force on Culturally and Linguistically Competent Physicians and Dentists
* California Tax Information Center
* California Technology and Administration Branch Finance
* California Telecommunications Division
* California Telephone Medical Advice Services (TAMS)
* California Transportation Commission
* California Travel and Transportation Agency
* California Unclaimed Property Program
* California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board
* California Unemployment Insurance Program
* California Uniform Construction Cost Accounting Commission
* California Veterans Board
* California Veterans Memorial
* California Veterinary Medical Board and Registered Veterinary Technician Examining Committee
* California Veterinary Medical Board
* California Victim Compensation and Government Claims Board
* California Volunteers
* California Voter Registration
* California Water Commission
* California Water Environment Association (COWPEA)
* California Water Resources Control Board
* California Welfare to Work Division
* California Wetlands Information System
* California Wildlife and Habitat Data Analysis Branch
* California Wildlife Conservation Board
* California Wildlife Programs Branch
* California Work Opportunity and Responsibility to Kids (CalWORKs)
* California Workers Compensation Appeals Board
* California Workforce and Labor Development Agency
* California Workforce Investment Board
* California Youth Authority (CYA)
* Central Valley Flood Protection Board
* Center for California Studies
* Colorado River Board of California
* Counting California
* Dental Board of California
* Health Insurance Plan of California (PacAdvantage)
* Humboldt State University
* Jobs with the State of California
* Judicial Council of California
* Learn California
* Library of California
* Lieutenant Governors Commission for One California
* Little Hoover Commission (on California State Government Organization and Economy)
* Medical Board of California
* Medi-Cal
* Osteopathic Medical Board of California
* Physical Therapy Board of California
* Regents of the University of California
* San Diego State University
* San Francisco State University
* San Jose State University
* Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy
* State Bar of California
* Supreme Court of California
* Teach California
* University of California
* University of California, Berkeley
* University of California, Davis
* University of California, Hastings College of the Law
* University of California, Irvine
* University of California, Los Angeles
* University of California, Merced
* University of California, Riverside
* University of California, San Diego
* University of California, San Francisco
* University of California, Santa Barbara
* University of California, Santa Cruz
* Veterans Home of California

Excellent.

Good post.