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[Que]

That's not a so what issue. We don't have enough female or Asian representation in our government. Obviously you're never going to see exactly percentages for each race and gender but it should be similar to what the general population is.

Why, exactly?

 

[John Doe]

The only thing preventing it is us, and we're never going to get there if we don't change.

Wait...you want us to actually do something about it?

How dare you?!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Why, exactly?

To accurately reflect the needs and experiences of the people they govern. It's not exactly by the people if it's really by a very narrow group. We could aregue about them all being elites and while I do have a lotof sympathy there government is just too complex to trust to rubes.

This is common fucking sense.

 

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[BotanyBoy]

To accurately reflect the needs and experiences of the people they govern. It's not exactly by the people if it's really by a very narrow group. We could aregue about them all being elites and while I do have a lotof sympathy there government is just too complex to trust to rubes.

This is common fucking sense.

You forget, the RW thinks elitist aristocracy is a good thing.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Do you think there should be more Asian representation in the nation's professional sports as well? Didn't think so.

Because sports = political representation...HAHAH you're such a douche nozzle.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Because he's a racist, that's why.

Yes, yes I am racist. Not the same way you are but I am.

Do you think there should be more Asian representation in the nation's professional sports as well? Didn't think so.

Depends. Did someone declare gladatorial law in the US and the outcome of Floyd Mayweather's fight will decide the direction of the Empire for the next couple of years?

 

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[Sean Renaud]

No, but when there were no blacks in Pro sports, the hue and cry was raised that blacks ought to be represented in proportion to their numbers in the population. Now that they are the majority in major league football and basket ball, do you think the same concerns for proportionality are legitimate in regard to Asians? Why not?

That was a different, no less legit, complaint. Is there any evidence that Asians are being held out of sports because of racism instead of just not being "fit" for American style sports? Because there is overwhelming evidence that the reason there were no blacks in pro-sports wasn't about a lack of skill it was simply no blacks. If Asians are being held out for racism and not a combination of no interest and as a result fewer skilled players then yes something should be done.

However sports=/=government representation. When the outcome of the Super Bowl decides whether I get to raise taxes or you get to outlaw gay marriage and ship me off to Russia then you'll have a point.

 

[BotanyBoy]

When there are two parents there is a much better chance children won't be maladjusted and raised in poverty. It's a provable fact. The vast majority of single moms are not successful parents, are more likely to fall into poverty and need government assistance. Their children are more likely to be socially maladjusted. There are studies available, I've posted several over the years, that prove this. Our prisons are packed with their progeny.

Two parents doesn't mean married ya fucking moron.

Marriage is just a stupid piece of paper that says if you have a dick and you fuck this up she fucking owns your ass and the tax man will give you just the tiniest little break. That's it...that's all marriage is....not a fucking thing to do with being a parent.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Vettedeflection FAIL

That was a different, no less legit, complaint. Is there any evidence that Asians are being held out of sports because of racism instead of just not being "fit" for American style sports? Because there is overwhelming evidence that the reason there were no blacks in pro-sports wasn't about a lack of skill it was simply no blacks. If Asians are being held out for racism and not a combination of no interest and as a result fewer skilled players then yes something should be done.

However sports=/=government representation. When the outcome of the Super Bowl decides whether I get to raise taxes or you get to outlaw gay marriage and ship me off to Russia then you'll have a point.

Point to Sean Reanud.
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[Sean Renaud]

You miss the point. In those days black activists were demanding proportional representation, as they do in lots of areas, in pro sports. Not an equal chance at participation, that meant racial quotas. So as you can see, they were talking about a proportion of skin color, not ability. So if we must have participation on a basis of race, we are talking skin color. So, the same demands made by blacks in the 40s and 50s in regard to proportional representation in sports, should apply today to Asians and Latinos, unless it was hypocritical. After all sports should "accurately reflect the needs and experiences of the people they" entertain, no?

If they meant racial quotas without respect to ability then they were wrong, granted it was probably the best fix at the time but still. No, sports should not accurately reflect the needs and expereinces of the people the represent. Where are you getting that idea?

Now YES we do have a problem with the entertainment world but it's not a matter of black over representation in sports, it's a matter of minority underrepresentation in just about every other arena. But that's not what's being discussed at the moment.

 

[RobDownSouth]

You miss the point. In those days black activists were demanding proportional representation, as they do in lots of areas, in pro sports. Not an equal chance at participation, that meant racial quotas. So as you can see, they were talking about a proportion of skin color, not ability. So if we must have participation on a basis of race, we are talking skin color, as you are in political representation. So, the same demands made by blacks in the 40s and 50s in regard to proportional representation in sports, should apply today to Asians and Latinos, unless it was hypocritical. After all sports should "accurately reflect the needs and experiences of the people they" entertain, no?

Of course, back then you and your kind were tellin' us "separate but equal" was perfectly fine...

#Vettebigotry

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Yes, yes I am racist. Not the same way you are but I am.

In what way are you "racist" against Vetteman?

You need to stop feeding that putz his regurgitated cornmeal bullshit, even if you're doing it figuratively. Because he and his are using racism as a term only for deflection, not as it actually is.

 

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[Sean Renaud]

I'm not racist against Vetteman. None of my opinion of him has anythign to do with him being white.

I do however know that many of my opinions are in some way influenced by race. I'm not going to pretend that I don't do that from and sometimes probably in ways that I shouldn't.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I'm not racist against Vetteman. None of my opinion of him has anythign to do with him being white.

I do however know that many of my opinions are in some way influenced by race. I'm not going to pretend that I don't do that from and sometimes probably in ways that I shouldn't.

But that's not racism.

Bigotry, maybe. Prejudice, maybe. Racism, no. You're not systematically oppressing him.

 

[Sean Renaud]

At that point we're parsing to a point that I only engage in when I'm being a smart ass.

 

[cowslinger64]

Of course, back then you and your kind were tellin' us "separate but equal" was perfectly fine...

#Vettebigotry

I'm sure vette misses these days:


http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac272/middlepassage/Nat%20Turner/10001484523432segregatedfountain.jpg

 

[NeverEndingMe]

I hope you put fresh panties on, little cuckold.

btw - what does that picture have to do with today?

oh wait, union fucktard still living in 1905

I'm sure vette misses these days:


http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac272/middlepassage/Nat%20Turner/10001484523432segregatedfountain.jpg

 

[Wrong Element]

No, but when there were no blacks in Pro sports, the hue and cry was raised that blacks ought to be represented in proportion to their numbers in the population. Now that they are the majority in major league football and basket ball, do you think the same concerns for proportionality are legitimate in regard to Asians? Why not?

No, the hue and cry was that they shouldn't be BANNED from pro sports. You can't actually be as dumb as you're coming across here.

 

[hellnah]

americans being raped by african slaves again? should we be surprised??

surely this won't happen easily in russia, eastern europe or perhaps even china and iran.

klitschko vs mayweather? who wins? not even the same weight class...