Harry Reid and the end of liberal thought

[Wok]

LOL. There's no point responding to these fools.

In November the end of days for Conservatism in general will be upon these morons.

Read what Assmeal, Fawkin'inbred and the slowbrain write, and understand that this is why most Americans now see them as idiots.

We're winning. We can pretty much just sit back and laugh now.

You sure? I am seeing some pretty shitty shit from both sides of the aisle.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

You sure? I am seeing some pretty shitty shit from both sides of the aisle.

And? Look at the polls. Even Fox News is admitting the Republicans are in deep shit. Assmeal and his gang are sitting around convincing themselves that the polls are wrong, but when the entire GOP is down for the count, even on the Fox polls? That's an exercise in utter delusion.

Bush's lies have caught up with him. His halo effect has reversed itself.

I told you guys in 2004 and 2005, don't have a cow, that was the death knell for conservatism. It's all coming to pass now.

Savor the raw hubris behind the creation of this post. It'll make 2006's election all the more hilarious... in a Yankee Doodle Dandy kinda way.

 

[The Mystery Valiant]

Crack goes the country, right down the middle!

And while all this is going on...., some fool went and lit the fuse. There ain't no way to avoid it..., get out your gun's, tommorrow will be bloody.

 

[Ishmael]

LOL, are you seriously trying to tell me you don't think Bush listens to anyone? Come on, you're smarter than that. It's well known that he expects loyalty which means don't criticize the boss and tell him what he wants to hear. That's why we went into Iraq even though the intelligence was wrong.

The charge of supporting terrorism is thrown around so easily it is rapidly losing meaning and that should be a serious concern to everyone.

He's a joke and that is how history is going to remember him.

It's a knee jerk reaction with you. You just can't help it, can ya? Still on the Bush thing. You'd never make it to a Corporate board room Zip. 'Loyalty' does not equal 'Yes man.'

I've only heard that charge thrown around by a few. Maybe it's catching on.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

It reminds me of the loyal Christian general who stood up to Saddam...

Reminds me of Sun Tzu and the Concubines...

Know that one bro?

 

[zipman]

It's a knee jerk reaction with you. You just can't help it, can ya? Still on the Bush thing. You'd never make it to a Corporate board room Zip. 'Loyalty' does not equal 'Yes man.'

I've only heard that charge thrown around by a few. Maybe it's catching on.

Ishmael

LOL, okay, you keep telling us the sky is falling on the democratic party and liberal thought while the republicans are losing ground and dropping like stones in the polls.

Bush wants yes men and he's surrounded himself by them as more than a few of those who have left the white house have stated.

It's funny how republicans demand personal accountability for everyone except:
1) The President - as long as he's a republican
2) Congress - as long as there is a republican majority

 

[unregistered]

 

[zipman]

Hehe Zip, America repudiated liberals and their bankrupt policies long before they did Bush.

No, they just started voting for Republicans who put those same policies in place.

 

[Ishmael]

LOL, okay, you keep telling us the sky is falling on the democratic party and liberal thought while the republicans are losing ground and dropping like stones in the polls.

Bush wants yes men and he's surrounded himself by them as more than a few of those who have left the white house have stated.

It's funny how republicans demand personal accountability for everyone except:
1) The President - as long as he's a republican
2) Congress - as long as there is a republican majority

First of all Zip, Bush is Cheney's/Rices/Roves puppet. It must be true, it's in the press all the time. At least in the liberal commentary in the press. How does that square with your hypothesis? Sounds mutually exclusive to me.

And what have they stated? That he didn't take their advice? Well if they felt that strongly about it they did the proper thing by resigning. You can argue all you want in the boardroom, but you better be wearing the same hat when you walk out. If you can't, you resign. That's the way it works Zip.

I have done my share of bitching about Bush and the congress here on the board. He really isn't my favorite. I disagree with as many of his policies as I agree with. But the Democrats offer NO alternatives. No matter how strongly I disgree with many of Bushs policies, I disagree with the Democrats even more.

And that brings us to the polls. The Democrats make the mistake of assuming, or at least trying to paint the impression, that bad numbers for Bush equals good numbers for them. Those two thoughts are also mutually exclusive. The fact that I may not like 'techno' music does not imply that I'm going to tune into the 'rap' station. I'd like to think the Democrats are smart enough to know that what they're trying to sell is nothing more than a political ploy but I'm not too sure these days. Not after they put up a candidate to run against Leiberman in the primaries.

Now we've come full circle and are back to ideas Zip. what are the ideas? Show me the plan.

Ishmael

 

[unregistered]

 

[~hellbaby~]

LOL. There's no point responding to these fools.

In November the end of days for Conservatism in general will be upon these morons.

Read what Assmeal, Fawkin'inbred and the slowbrain write, and understand that this is why most Americans now see them as idiots.

We're winning. We can pretty much just sit back and laugh now.

It gets boring after awhile, doesn't it. That's OK though, I got mine for the dotted head remark.

 

[~hellbaby~]

Why the constant connection between the right and big business? You are gong to have a hell of a job convincing me that no one on the left has any money invested in WallMart, oil or even Halliburton. In point of fact, who is John Kerry’s wife? If that isn’t big business I don’t know what is.

If they don’t get their money from doing business where do they get it? There are only two ways to get money, either through business or theft. To make big money requires dealing with big business.

Where do they get it? Be serious..
Of course the left invests, although I don't know about Wal mart, its not the best stock. There is nothing wrong with investing. I'll even say I think the left is more willing to compromise their values in order to invest wisely. Social causes don't pay off too much in monetary value.
The difference is the left do not let their investments influence their politics to the extent the right does. There is a difference between investing and driving legislation through congress that is bad for the country as a whole but good for your wallet and voting it down even though your personal profit will suffer. The right cannot seem to do the latter. Shit, I've still got Exxon stock, that doesn't mean I vote in favor of those who push policy that increases oil profits at the cost of my personal values. You need to vote what your conscience says is right, not your wallet.
About Mrs.Kerry, Heinz was her husband, she inherited it when he died. What was she supposed to do, give it away? Maybe she should drive it into the ground like Bush did with his business attempts; like he is doing to the country now......

 

[Slowlane]

Where do they get it? Be serious..
Of course the left invests, although I don't know about Wal mart, its not the best stock. There is nothing wrong with investing. I'll even say I think the left is more willing to compromise their values in order to invest wisely. Social causes don't pay off too much in monetary value.
The difference is the left do not let their investments influence their politics to the extent the right does. There is a difference between investing and driving legislation through congress that is bad for the country as a whole but good for your wallet and voting it down even though your personal profit will suffer. The right cannot seem to do the latter. Shit, I've still got Exxon stock, that doesn't mean I vote in favor of those who push policy that increases oil profits at the cost of my personal values. You need to vote what your conscience says is right, not your wallet.
About Mrs.Kerry, Heinz was her husband, she inherited it when he died. What was she supposed to do, give it away? Maybe she should drive it into the ground like Bush did with his business attempts; like he is doing to the country now......

So your assumption is that both own big business but only the left has any morality?

And no, I wasn’t suggesting that anyone divest themselves of their business interests, only that they have it and it’s a prevalent among the right as it is the left. Since both sides are made up of the rich that sort of goes without saying

 

[RobDownSouth]

Modern political discourse has been reduced to oversimplistic labels and straw-man attacks?

Call it the Ishmaelization of politics.

 

[~hellbaby~]

So your assumption is that both own big business but only the left has any morality?

And no, I wasn’t suggesting that anyone divest themselves of their business interests, only that they have it and it’s a prevalent among the right as it is the left. Since both sides are made up of the rich that sort of goes without saying

No, I said "The difference is the left do not let their investments influence their politics to the extent the right does. It's not like I am making this stuff up, when my imagination takes a left turn it, my thoughts are even sleazier than the morals of politicians. Look at the polls, look at congress through history.
What I am saying is the right tends to vote in favor of big business over social programs more often than the left does. That is why the association exists.

 

[Slowlane]

What I am saying is the right tends to vote in favor of big business over social programs more often than the left does. That is why the association exists.

If that is your stance then what is the problem? It’s obvious that social programs are doomed to nonexistence without business generating funds.

If you vote often enough in favor of social programs the money will run out. If you vote, at the same time, in opposition to business the money will run out even faster.

Not that I’m against social programs or always in favor of business. However, in general, it’s impossible to have social programs without a thriving business sector.

 

[~hellbaby~]

If that is your stance then what is the problem? It’s obvious that social programs are doomed to nonexistence without business generating funds.

If you vote often enough in favor of social programs the money will run out. If you vote, at the same time, in opposition to business the money will run out even faster.

Not that I’m against social programs or always in favor of business. However, in general, it’s impossible to have social programs without a thriving business sector.

HELLO .... Um, do you recall saying this

Originally Posted by Slowlane
Why the constant connection between the right and big business? You are gong to have a hell of a job convincing me that no one on the left has any money invested in WallMart, oil or even Halliburton. In point of fact, who is John Kerry’s wife? If that isn’t big business I don’t know what is.

If they don’t get their money from doing business where do they get it? There are only two ways to get money, either through business or theft. To make big money requires dealing with big business.

I don't have a problem with it. I said the right should be more involved in teaching instead of just bitching about the left colleges. that led to it..​

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[Plasmaball]

I have done my share of bitching about Bush and the congress here on the board. He really isn't my favorite. I disagree with as many of his policies as I agree with. But the Democrats offer NO alternatives. No matter how strongly I disgree with many of Bushs policies, I disagree with the Democrats even more.

when where and how Ish. I have never seen you do this ever.

 

[~hellbaby~]

If that is your stance then what is the problem? It’s obvious that social programs are doomed to nonexistence without business generating funds.

If you vote often enough in favor of social programs the money will run out. If you vote, at the same time, in opposition to business the money will run out even faster.

Not that I’m against social programs or always in favor of business. However, in general, it’s impossible to have social programs without a thriving business sector.

But without social programs, the only business' that will thrive are the big business. Without help, many small businesses could not survive, thus the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. That leads to needing more social benefits.

 

[Slowlane]

HELLO .... Um, do you recall saying this

I don't have a problem with it. I said the right should be more involved in teaching instead of just bitching about the left colleges. that led to it..​

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Note, my original post wasn’t pointed at you, or anyone in particular, we may not disagee all that much on this one.

 

[Slowlane]

But without social programs, the only business' that will thrive are the big business. Without help, many small businesses could not survive, thus the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. That leads to needing more social benefits.

Like I said, NO social programs are available without business. Even if that means big business aidding small business, it still feeds off of business.

Besides, I don’t think the government should be involved in business – even in the loan department. If you can’t make it on your own then get the hell out.

Most new jobs are created by small business, many major innovations are introduced by small business. Most do it without the SBA.

 

[poony]

My husband who is Mexican. Born in Mexico City came here through proper channels. He feels the Illigals (any nation) have no right to demand instant citizenship. They should pay and work just like everyone else did.

The welfare system needs total reform. It seems like the people who need it make to much money or are to honest on the forms.

If you are on welfare you should at least have to work part time. Does not matter where just have a job!

Deomcrats answers:

"We have a solution. You can read about it on our website. www.noideainhelljustvoteusin.com"

Wasn't that John Kerry's answer when anyone asked him about his policy. You can read about that on my website www.johnkerry.com?

 

[Slowlane]

My husband who is Mexican. Born in Mexico City came here through proper channels. He feels the Illigals (any nation) have no right to demand instant citizenship. They should pay and work just like everyone else did.

The welfare system needs total reform. It seems like the people who need it make to much money or are to honest on the forms.

If you are on welfare you should at least have to work part time. Does not matter where just have a job!

Deomcrats answers:

"We have a solution. You can read about it on our website. www.noideainhelljustvoteusin.com"

Wasn't that John Kerry's answer when anyone asked him about his policy. You can read about that on my website www.johnkerry.com?

Except that there are a few people who are totally unable to work. I agree completely.

 

[poony]

No, its only the Mexican border we don't want. nobody would care if 12 million Canadians were here illegally. You know, they are much more educated, speak English, are,..... well,.. they just aren't Mexicans!! Don't you know, it's not about the fact they are here illegal, it is about them being Mexicans, its all about race. the fact people think its racist is as absurd as what I just said. But still, some think if you want strict laws its got to be about race DISCLAIMER:That is not my thoughts or beliefs, it is a sarcastic comment to try to show how stupid it is to call it a rasist issue

I would hate for 12 million Canadians to come here illegal or legal. Do they speak English, ehhh? It is bad enough for the 3 months or so they are here during winter. Why can they not wire their money down or learn how to drive? (Ok its mainly the French Canadians that come here.)

As long as Mexicans come here legally hey come on up. And follow the law. I live with one...*L*

 

[~hellbaby~]

IMO, a surge of 12 million of anything that breathes is bad news if not done in an orderly, regulated way. If 12 million sharks entered the gulf, a few thousand a day, the whole marine ecosystem would be thrown into turmoil. Imagine the beef industry, adding thousands of cows a week until there were 12 million more cows would disrupt the food supply.
When a functioning system is altered without oversight it will eventually stop functioning.
Immigration has to be done legally, if these people aren't willing to do what is asked to become citizens, then they have no business prospering from our economy. The truth is, in ten or twenty years, they will be needed because the US population is aging and dying at a faster rate than the birth rate.

Having said that, we will need a society of educated, law abiding citizens who are integrated into society and live as citizens. They need to feel a sense of belonging, they need ownership in order to care about the country. It has to be their country if we ever want them to respect it. People say the Mexicans ruin neighborhoods, I'm not argueing the point either way but if we want them to take care of the country, they need to have a stake in it. If we need to add some extra English classes in school, maybe it is not such a bad thing. Ten years from now do we want a society of middle aged, non English speaking illegals with an 8th grade education or a society of educated legal immigrants, who speak the language and went to night school to get educated?