Harry Reid and the end of liberal thought

[huskie]

I agree with most everything said in the artical..... yet I aint to worried about a down fall.

I know a great many of the people here are lib and all and most are women... Hell, I sorta expect women to be that way naturally and I'm fine with that.

I of course do not feel that way myself.

But the lib chicks here will take their clothes off for me so that's a good thing.... MOST (not all) Conservative chicks want I not happy with that

 

[ezlay_2nite]

When I first read this I thought it might have been a satire having seen the very words used so often by the 'Progressives/Liberals' here on the board. To bad they won't bring dueling back.

Ishmael

Sorry Ish, Harry Reid and thought just don't go together...


Of course, on the second bottle of J.D. green label, he is good for a laugh...

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I actually considered responding to this thread for a moment. But it's nothing to comment on, Just Ishmael amd Cap'n Amatrixca engaging in mutual masturbation, as usual. Not that there's anything wrong with that, carry on.

 

[Slowlane]

Great article, and on the mark. I’m not sure how the bill could be taken as racist –Oh well.

Some say controlling the border is raciest too. Again I’m not sure how that comes into play since we are trying to control the Canadian border as well. Are Canadians a different race now?

 

[Wok]

I find it funny seeing both extremes lob bombs at each other.

 

[~hellbaby~]

Great article, and on the mark. I’m not sure how the bill could be taken as racist –Oh well.

Some say controlling the border is raciest too. Again I’m not sure how that comes into play since we are trying to control the Canadian border as well. Are Canadians a different race now?

No, its only the Mexican border we don't want. nobody would care if 12 million Canadians were here illegally. You know, they are much more educated, speak English, are,..... well,.. they just aren't Mexicans!! Don't you know, it's not about the fact they are here illegal, it is about them being Mexicans, its all about race. the fact people think its racist is as absurd as what I just said. But still, some think if you want strict laws its got to be about race DISCLAIMER:That is not my thoughts or beliefs, it is a sarcastic comment to try to show how stupid it is to call it a rasist issue

 

[Wok]

No, its only the Mexican border we don't want. nobody would care if 12 million Canadians were here illegally. You know, they are much more educated, speak English, are,..... well,.. they just aren't Mexicans!! Don't you know, it's not about the fact they are here illegal, it is about them being Mexicans, its all about race. the fact people think its racist is as absurd as what I just said. But still, some think if you want strict laws its got to be about race DISCLAIMER:That is not my thoughts or beliefs, it is a sarcastic comment to try to show how stupid it is to call it a rasist issue

I really do not see it as racist. I see it as more of a political game. Oops read your disclaimer.

 

[garbage can]

Anarchist!

Anti-Christ!

Nazi! Facist!

That list is so incomplete...

The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer.

Haliburton owns bush

Big oil is evil.

But in the article, I like this...

the decline of liberal thought. But with more and more Americans graduating college and therefore taught the liberal list of one-word reactions instead of critical thinking, many liberals do not see any pressing need to think through issues. They therefore do not believe they have paid any price at all.

 

[Slowlane]

I find it funny seeing both extremes lob bombs at each other.

It’s fun to watch, unfortunately, what is good for the country gets lost in the crossfire of the battle for votes.

 

[Slowlane]

The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer.

Haliburton owns bush

Big oil is evil.

But in the article, I like this...

the decline of liberal thought. But with more and more Americans graduating college and therefore taught the liberal list of one-word reactions instead of critical thinking, many liberals do not see any pressing need to think through issues. They therefore do not believe they have paid any price at all.

I liked that paragraph as well. Perhaps that kind of liberal thinking is the reason that no matter how much the left hates Bush and his ideas they are unable to put forth any ideas of their own.

 

[~hellbaby~]

The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer.

Haliburton owns bush

Big oil is evil.

But in the article, I like this...

the decline of liberal thought. But with more and more Americans graduating college and therefore taught the liberal list of one-word reactions instead of critical thinking, many liberals do not see any pressing need to think through issues. They therefore do not believe they have paid any price at all.

The right is always bitching about how colleges teach from the left, but that is all they do. None of them want to give up their corporate greed and take the pay cut to actually do anything besides bitch. Good thing there are no windfall profits in teaching.

 

[Plasmaball]

Peace-tell me whats wrong with peace?
Fairness-deoends on the subject.equal rights yes, equal att he job place? not so much
Tolerance-i would put understand in here also. You can tolerate someone and still dislike them.
The poor- A reflection on ones country and the civilized world.
The disenfranchised-its wrong, depending on context.
The environment- See answer to peace. More important than fighting terrorism

 

[eagleyez]

The right is always bitching about how colleges teach from the left, but that is all they do. None of them want to give up their corporate greed and take the pay cut to actually do anything besides bitch. Good thing there are no windfall profits in teaching.

One of the great generalities thrown about in the discourse over right v left-- That the "ivory towered" college professors are shaping impressionable minds in their lectures and classrooms.

Conservatives fall back on this argument ad nauseum. Ive had courses with overtly right wing Prof's, and the student body was equally right wing as it was stringent left. It is kind of like the arguments one hears regarding homosexual issues, from people who have NEVER in their lives had any contact or exposure to gay folks. Both extremes parrott the party line, without really getting their hands dirty on their own.

Talk radio and cable tv news make my point for me.

 

[garbage can]

I liked that paragraph as well. Perhaps that kind of liberal thinking is the reason that no matter how much the left hates Bush and his ideas they are unable to put forth any ideas of their own.

Exactly, and if you try to reason with them, their fallback position is to call you one of their one word names.

 

[Paendragon]

The bill just seemed silly to me. More posturing.

What was the point of it, really? English is our 'legal' language, already. Our laws are written in english. All children who are educated in this country are taught english, and the vast majority of second generation immigrants speak it.

Would the bill really change anything? Of course not. Useless legislation.

 

[Slowlane]

The right is always bitching about how colleges teach from the left, but that is all they do. None of them want to give up their corporate greed and take the pay cut to actually do anything besides bitch. Good thing there are no windfall profits in teaching.

Why the constant connection between the right and big business? You are gong to have a hell of a job convincing me that no one on the left has any money invested in WallMart, oil or even Halliburton. In point of fact, who is John Kerry’s wife? If that isn’t big business I don’t know what is.

If they don’t get their money from doing business where do they get it? There are only two ways to get money, either through business or theft. To make big money requires dealing with big business.

 

[Slowlane]

Exactly, and if you try to reason with them, their fallback position is to call you one of their one word names.

Or an expletive

 

[landslider2000]

Reid has four sons who are all lawyer/lobbyists.

How long before an investigation of him takes place?

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Modern political discourse has been reduced to oversimplistic labels and straw-man attacks?

Shocking.

I eagerly await Prager's follow-up piece on what passes for conservative thought.

 

[busybody..]

Modern political discourse has been reduced to oversimplistic labels and straw-man attacks?

Shocking.

I eagerly await Prager's follow-up piece on what passes for conservative thought.

thats right, asshole, we always are civil

now FUCKOFF terrorasskisser

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

thats right, asshole, we always are civil

now FUCKOFF terrorasskisser

*smooches terror's ass*

 

[zipman]

Guess what Zip? In some cases it's well deserved. It's not the dissent, it's the rhetorical forms it takes. When reasoned debate gives way to inflamatory rhetoric those that engage in that rhetoric had better expect to recieve a broadside in return. Crying 'foul' after having first slung the rhetorical mud just makes them look like pansies. Murtha, Reid, Clinton, Dornan, and others have all made more than a few ill advised comments. Their point could have been made in so many different ways rather than falling back on inflammatory and, in some cases, libelous speech forms. All of this without offering anything constructive of their own. None of the above have shown much of any restraint at all and this does have consequences in a world where a word uttered is around the globe in an instant. It's no wonder that the recent speechs from those in the Arab world look like they plagiarized the MoveOn.org web site.

One would think they'd give some consideration to the fact that our enemies are saying the words those in disagreement with the administration want to hear. One can dissent without giving aid and succor to the enemy.

Ishmael

And in most cases it isn't. The Bush administration does it to stifle dissent and Bush's supporters here do it to demonize democrats/liberals. I would call it silly but the rammifications of it are too serious. Equating everything from withdrawing troops to being against warrantless wiretaps as being in support of terrorism is so transparent I find it difficult to believe that there are actually people that buy into it. Bush has fanned the rhetoric of the left by his refusal to actually listen to any opinion that differs from his and surrounding himself with people who tell him exactly what he wants to hear.

When you couple that with the everything else he has done I'm actually surprised that the rhetoric isn't worse. He deserves it in my opinion.

And this post isn't supporting terrorism, it's having an opinion. It doesn't make it supporting terrorism even if OBL says the same exact thing.

Considering the comments I've seen so far in this thread, I think people should be far more concerned with the state of conservative thought.

 

[Ishmael]

And in most cases it isn't. The Bush administration does it to stifle dissent and Bush's supporters here do it to demonize democrats/liberals. I would call it silly but the rammifications of it are too serious. Equating everything from withdrawing troops to being against warrantless wiretaps as being in support of terrorism is so transparent I find it difficult to believe that there are actually people that buy into it. Bush has fanned the rhetoric of the left by his refusal to actually listen to any opinion that differs from his and surrounding himself with people who tell him exactly what he wants to hear.

When you couple that with the everything else he has done I'm actually surprised that the rhetoric isn't worse. He deserves it in my opinion.

And this post isn't supporting terrorism, it's having an opinion. It doesn't make it supporting terrorism even if OBL says the same exact thing.

Considering the comments I've seen so far in this thread, I think people should be far more concerned with the state of conservative thought.

Come on Zip, what a crock. It hasn't worked at all. As a 'shot across the bow' for more reasoned rhetoric it sure as hell hasn't had an effect.

And you level the charge of 'not listening.' Where is your proof? That's just more baseless rhetoric. It is fair to say that Bush hasn't acted on what he's heard, but I submit to you that he's heard as little in the form of concrete ideas from the left as I have. If these naysayers have a solution, or an alternative plan, let them come forth and put them in play in the court of public opinion. That is the one thing lacking and you have admitted so yourself in Jan. of 2005. Shall I bring up the thread?

Being 'against' something is NOT good enough. You have to have a better idea (my apologies to Ford). It's the very reason the Democrats aren't going to be able to capitalize on their obvious advantage in the coming election. They, like you, are 'stuck on Bush' and being against Bush isn't the path to victory. For crying out loud, Jesse Jackson is calling on the Democrats to make the impeachment of Bush the central plank of their platform. That's sure to draw the disaffected Republican vote. Yes sirree Bob.

According to you, and others, anyone against Bush and the war can engage in any rhetoric they want for political purposes but Bush and his supporters have to maintain their rhetorical responses within certain boundaries. And just who defines those boundaries Zip? The recipients of the counter-punches? With rules like that I'll take Mike Tyson on. If they don't like the counter-punches maybe they should more carefully consider the punches they're throwing themselves.

Ishmael

 

[zipman]

Come on Zip, what a crock. It hasn't worked at all. As a 'shot across the bow' for more reasoned rhetoric it sure as hell hasn't had an effect.

And you level the charge of 'not listening.' Where is your proof? That's just more baseless rhetoric. It is fair to say that Bush hasn't acted on what he's heard, but I submit to you that he's heard as little in the form of concrete ideas from the left as I have. If these naysayers have a solution, or an alternative plan, let them come forth and put them in play in the court of public opinion. That is the one thing lacking and you have admitted so yourself in Jan. of 2005. Shall I bring up the thread?

Being 'against' something is NOT good enough. You have to have a better idea (my apologies to Ford). It's the very reason the Democrats aren't going to be able to capitalize on their obvious advantage in the coming election. They, like you, are 'stuck on Bush' and being against Bush isn't the path to victory. For crying out loud, Jesse Jackson is calling on the Democrats to make the impeachment of Bush the central plank of their platform. That's sure to draw the disaffected Republican vote. Yes sirree Bob.

According to you, and others, anyone against Bush and the war can engage in any rhetoric they want for political purposes but Bush and his supporters have to maintain their rhetorical responses within certain boundaries. And just who defines those boundaries Zip? The recipients of the counter-punches? With rules like that I'll take Mike Tyson on. If they don't like the counter-punches maybe they should more carefully consider the punches they're throwing themselves.

Ishmael

LOL, are you seriously trying to tell me you don't think Bush listens to anyone? Come on, you're smarter than that. It's well known that he expects loyalty which means don't criticize the boss and tell him what he wants to hear. That's why we went into Iraq even though the intelligence was wrong.

The charge of supporting terrorism is thrown around so easily it is rapidly losing meaning and that should be a serious concern to everyone.

He's a joke and that is how history is going to remember him.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

The right is always bitching about how colleges teach from the left, but that is all they do. None of them want to give up their corporate greed and take the pay cut to actually do anything besides bitch. Good thing there are no windfall profits in teaching.

LOL. There's no point responding to these fools.

In November the end of days for Conservatism in general will be upon these morons.

Read what Assmeal, Fawkin'inbred and the slowbrain write, and understand that this is why most Americans now see them as idiots.

We're winning. We can pretty much just sit back and laugh now.