Guns In The Closet (Political)

R. Richard

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So, you wonder why Israel bombs "civilian" homes, is that what you wonder? The following is a little interview by the famous Kevin Sites. He shows you a picture of what he sees. He does not tell you that what he is describing is NOT a civilian home, but a weapons depot. If I were an Israeli military commander, I would not leave this structure intact within my area.

As Kevin Sites mentions, it is not all that uncommon to find an AK-47 in a home in Lebanon [or Iraq, for that matter,] however, when you get to multiple rifles and an RPG and launcher, you are NOT talking home defense.

WARNING: Before you read "Hussein's" description of capturing an Israeli spy, be lying on the floor. It is so naive and laughable you may injure yourself falling on the floor laughing.

Comments?

Guns in the Closet
http://hotzone.yahoo.com/b/hotzone/blogs7984

At home in a town in southern Lebanon, a Hezbollah fighter waits to be called to action.
By Kevin Sites, Fri Jul 28, 8:23 PM ETEmail Story IM Story

SOUTHERN LEBANON - Plumes of black smoke begin to fan out over the coastline in the distance. We ask someone in town what has happened. He tells us it's the power plant; the Israelis have struck it with a missile. But it's impossible to confirm because the roads leading to it were bombed early in the offensive.

In fact, Lebanon's main north-south road is so pocked with bomb craters, blown-out bridges and blasted highway spans that there is only one route left for drivers headed into Beirut.

Twisted cars and wreckage litter the roadside. Craters, some as wide as 60 feet, have filled with water and become small lakes.

It is in this unfortunate but familiar reality for Lebanon that the new landscape is being formed — deepening current loyalties rather than shifting them.

Nowhere is that more clear than in the area I am traveling today, a Hezbollah stronghold north of the city of Tyre. Here, I am told, few families have fled. Instead, they are waiting for the call of Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah to come south to fight the Israelis.

And there do seem to be more people on the streets and more families still in their homes, compared with areas further south, where so many have joined white flag convoys fleeing the fighting — as well as the uncertainty of where this conflict may lead.

It's not a difficult or even particularly mysterious undertaking to meet members of Hezbollah. Politically, they are part of the current Lebanese government and have been highly visible throughout the country, particularly for the millions of Shias in Lebanon. But it is Hezbollah's militia with which Israel says it is at war.

In the Mideast, many credit Hezbollah's militia with inflicting heavy losses on the Israeli Army and forcing Israel to withdraw from Lebanon in 2000. In the West, the group is widely condemned as a terrorist organization, supported by Syria and Iran. It has been responsible for numerous attacks on Israel, including the incident the sparked the latest conflict, as well as the bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983, which left 241 servicemen dead.

Even its critics concede that Hezbollah is well-organized politically and highly disciplined militarily. "They are an integral part of the fabric of Shia society here," a source with an intimate knowledge of Hezbollah who did not want to be identified told me. "It's a fallacy to think they can be cleaned out or eliminated."

I'm asked if I want to meet a Hezbollah fighter in his village and speak with him briefly.

We meet "Hussein" at his home and sit down to talk in his living room, while his four-month-old baby daughter lies on a blanket on the floor. He is in his late 20s and has a calm face. He is polite but has a resolute sense about him that creates a cautious distance. Like many fighters, he says, he has another job and only joins the militia when he's needed.

But even though he's not on the front lines now, he says there is still a lot of work to do in the village — like looking for Israeli spies.

"We caught someone last night, he says, "sneaking around in the middle of the night."

I ask him how he knew the person was an Israeli agent.

"He had two Lebanese passports," he says, "with the same picture but different names, and when we asked him a simple question he gave us a confusing answer."

"What do you do with 'spies' after you catch them?" I ask.

"We question them for a while," he says, "then turn them over to the (Lebanese) army."

As for the fighting in the south, he says it's not necessary for him to leave yet.

"I have a job to do and if the Israelis want to come inside," he says, "then we'll do our job and defend our families."

He shows me what he will use to defend them. In a closet in an adjoining bedroom he reaches into the top shelf and pulls out a green shoulder harness full of ammunition clips.

Then, from the corner of the closet, next to some shirts on hangers, he pulls out an American-made M-16 assault rifle and places it on the mattress in the room next to the ammo belt. He goes back to the closet and from the same corner reaches for a rocket-propelled grenade launcher and two canvas shoulder bags. He places these on the bed as well.

I ask if nearly every house in the neighborhood has a stash of small arms like this.

"Some have more," he says, pulling an AK-47 from one of the canvas bags and locking on a 30 round banana clip, named for its banana-like curve. "But the larger weaponry is kept somewhere else."

Not in the houses, he says later, but in secret places.

"Where does the M-16 come from?" I ask.

He says that Hezbollah buys all the weapons, sometimes even from the Lebanese Army.

He then pulls a grenade from the closet, screws on a cylinder of propellant behind it and then loads it into the grenade launcher. He shows me what has to be done before the trigger can be pulled to shoot it.

"Have you ever fired one of those?" I ask.

He smiles as if it were an obvious question. Yes, of course, he replies.

He then puts all the weapons back on the bed for a moment so I can photograph them. Although it's not uncommon for households in the Middle East to have at least an AK-47 around the house, it's incongruous to see the three rifles and grenade launcher beside a baby's bassinet.

Just as quickly as he pulled them out, he puts the weapons back in the closet and we are done. But neither he, nor the rest of the neighborhood, knows for sure how long the weapons will stay there.
 
SummerMorning said:
Makes sense, doesn't it?

Well, not really. What is described is a violation of the laws that govern warfare. If your house is a weapons depot, you are NOT a civilian, nor are the other residents of the house. If you are planning to use the weaponry, without first donning identifying insignia, you qualify for the legal status of bandit. The traditional method for dealing with banditry in a war zone is a bullet in the back of the head. [I don't subscribe to the traditional method, as I never permitted my troops to waste ammo. Severing the carotid artery is more efficient.]
 
R. Richard said:
Well, not really. What is described is a violation of the laws that govern warfare. If your house is a weapons depot, you are NOT a civilian, nor are the other residents of the house.
Uh-oh . . . I think I'm in big trouble.

:D








There is no RPG in our house, though. ;)
 
Roxanne Appleby said:
Uh-oh . . . I think I'm in big trouble.

:D








There is no RPG in our house, though. ;)

LOL, I actually had to scroll down to see that last bit, and what was going through my mind was "What would Roxanne be doing with an RPG???" :D
 
Roxanne Appleby said:
Uh-oh . . . I think I'm in big trouble.

:D

There is no RPG in our house, though. ;)

A key point! It is not all that unusual for a person in the United States to have a rifle or two and even a pistol or two in his/her house. It is unusual for a person to have several operating assault rifles. However, the United States is not yet a war zone.

The presence of an RPG, however, moves the situation from a "gun nut" to an armed combatant.

One other thing that is touched on only briefly. In an impoverished area, Hizb'Allah has furnished a poor family with several thouand $ of weaponry. Obviously, the weaponry is more necessary than clean water, good roads, hospitals, etc. [Yes, Hizb'Allah does provide some civilian services, but the main thrust of their effort is war and death.]
 
R. Richard said:
Well, not really. What is described is a violation of the laws that govern warfare. If your house is a weapons depot, you are NOT a civilian, nor are the other residents of the house.
Depends on whether the other residents have any say in the question of their home being a weapons depot or not. That 4 month old kid can't be a bandit by any reasonable definition, but a civilian held hostage by a bandit.

Whether you on your side of the conflict decide to sacrifice the hostage to get the bandit, or not, is then your call. It might still be the right call given the circumstances, but it serves no purpose to call those victims of the conflict the enemy, unless to make it easier emotionally to drop bombs.
 
Liar said:
Depends on whether the other residents have any say in the question of their home being a weapons depot or not. That 4 month old kid can't be a bandit by any reasonable definition, but a civilian held hostage by a bandit.

Whether you on your side of the conflict decide to sacrifice the hostage to get the bandit, or not, is then your call. It might still be the right call given the circumstances, but it serves no purpose to call those victims of the conflict the enemy, unless to make it easier emotionally to drop bombs.

I wonder about something. I read news accounts about civilians being killed. How do they tell who is a civilian? Is this man a civilian? I would say he is not. How about the baby? Obviously, she is a civilian but if the house gets bombed and she dies, it is her father's fault for putting her in such a hazardous place.

Hezbollah, of course, shoots at civilians all the time and kills a few. They fire their rockets into cities without knowing what is there, except they know it is not a military target. They even hit mosques and kill Arabs.

If the Israelis made it known that children were riding as passengers in their tanks, could they then complain if Hezbollah shot at them?
 
The country of Lebanon now has nearly half a million refugees due to bombing.

Bombing.

The only way you find out if the home you have bombed started out looking like this man's is to go there afterward. Turn his baby's body over, and dig through the rubble to the RPG.

If you went house-to-house, maybe you could make these calls more accurately. But they are bombing. People are dying, people are burned with white phosphorus, people are dismembered, maimed, bleeding, made fatherless. People are becoming refugees. Water systems, hospitals and whatnot are destroyed, roads are too hazardous to go out and recover bodies from, so they sit in their rocket-struck cars and rot in the sun. Refugees hurry past them as fast as they can, too. Because they routinely blast anything using the roads, despite the half million refugees moving around.

This exercise of yours, justifying one house with a grenade launcher, changes none of the above facts. It's lovely that you think all this is justified; continue to support the invasion if you feel that it is good. I have my own ideas about it.
 
The solution for "Hussein" and his ilk--MOAB

Posted 3/11/2003 2:16 PM Updated 3/12/2003 2:07 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-11-us-bomb-test_x.htm

U.S. tests bomb meant to intimidate

By Dave Moniz, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — In a move calculated at least in part to frighten the Iraqi army, the Air Force tested a gigantic conventional bomb Tuesday at a base in Florida.

The test of the Massive Ordnance Air Burst (MOAB) bomb was successful.
AFP

Known as MOAB — the Mother of All Bombs or more formally the Massive Ordnance Air Blast — the 21,000-pound explosive weighs as much as six Volkswagen Beetles and would be the largest conventional bomb in use by the military. (Related item: Video: Watch the massive MOAB bomb explosion )

The MOAB has a relatively limited military application. It has to be dropped from a slow-moving cargo plane and is guided by satellite. A fuse detonates the bomb just above the ground, where it flattens everything in its path.

It can't be used anywhere that the Pentagon would fear civilian casualties. But the missile-shaped MOAB could have a huge impact if dropped near Iraqi soldiers.

"Besides blowing stuff up, this is designed to shock and awe the Iraqis," says Chris Bolkcom, a military analyst with the Congressional Research Service. But one military source said MOAB might be used in retaliation if Saddam Hussein unleashes chemical weapons.

During the 1991 Persian Gulf War, a 38-day bombing campaign in Kuwait demoralized the Iraqi regular army and caused tens of thousands to surrender.

Far more important in the military outcome in Iraq will be thousands of laser- and satellite-guided smart bombs U.S. and British pilots are expected to drop in the opening days of the war. Combined with missiles fired from ships, helicopters and unmanned drones, the aerial barrage is expected to the most unrelenting and accurate air attack in history.

AFP/Defense Department
Image from video shows MOAB's mushroom cloud.

Before this week, military officials confirmed that the Air Force had been developing a large conventional bomb but offered few details. On Tuesday, however, the Pentagon revealed that the first live test of MOAB occurred at 1 p.m. at Eglin Air Force Base.

"It looked like a white mushroom cloud, almost like cotton or smoke you'd see from a fire, kind of billowy," said base spokeswoman Karen Roganov, who watched from a rooftop 30 miles away.

But MOAB might not be the largest conventional weapon in the arsenal for long. A 30,000-pound weapon called Big BLU (Bomb Live Unit) is being developed and might be available for use in Iraq.

Contributing: Wire reports
 
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Bandits and war zones.

Can't see anything political here. Just undocumented commentary by someone who is reportedly 'famous'.

Ask almost any young, commited person in a country being systematically devastated and they will probably declare "We are all equipped and ready to fight."

And I'm pretty sure (by reportage) that there are just as many Americans-at-home that have more and more capable hardware in their closets. (Or if they don't they just have to nip into Woolworths for an Uzi.) Is Woolworths a legitimate target for anyone that claims to be 'at war'? (Don't answer that, it obviously is)
 
gauchecritic said:
Can't see anything political here. Just undocumented commentary by someone who is reportedly 'famous'.

Ask almost any young, commited person in a country being systematically devastated and they will probably declare "We are all equipped and ready to fight."

And I'm pretty sure (by reportage) that there are just as many Americans-at-home that have more and more capable hardware in their closets. (Or if they don't they just have to nip into Woolworths for an Uzi.) Is Woolworths a legitimate target for anyone that claims to be 'at war'? (Don't answer that, it obviously is)

If by 'more and more capable' you mean fewer guns that aren't military grade, you're likely correct.
 
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what rr conveniently fails to mention is the question:
how effective is an air war against towns and villages filled with "husseins"?
 
Ler me try to sum up what I have read.

Israel has invaded Lebanon to try to recover two of its citizens who were kidnapped and are being held prisoner in violation of international laws. [No visits by International Red Cross, etc.]

"It is bad for Israel to bomb or shoot at homes, even when said homes are being used as weapons storage facilities or firing points." However, no one has brought up the point that Hizb'Allah is targetting civilian cities in Israel with rockets that have ordnance consisting of kilos of explosive and several thousand ball bearings designed to kill civilians. Is it because the Israeli civilians are Jews?

"It is bad for Israel to bomb highways and bridges, because refugees are using the highways and bridges." However, no one has brought up the point that Hizb'Allah is using the same highways and bridges to move in more rockets to target Israeli civilians. Clearly Lebanese civilians are of more importance than Israeli civilians. How can you stand to think that way?

"It is bad for a Lebanese Shia Muslim to store war weapons in his house in self-admitted preparation for use against Israel. However, it is worse for Israel to bomb the weapons storage facility, because of the child in the house." Clearly Lebanese children are of more importance than Israeli children. How can you stand to think that way?

By the way, the United Nations has several thousand "peacekeepers" in Southern Lebanon. The United Nations soldiers stand and watch Hizb'Allah launch rockets against Israeli civilian targets. Then, the same United Nations soldiers complain against Israeli air strikes. How can they stand to think that way?

JMNTHO.
 
R. Richard said:
Is it because the Israeli civilians are Jews?

JMNTHO.

You hit the nail squarely on the head with that crack. Yep. You got us dead to rights. Every single person that doesn't support your right wing militarist outlook is totally, over the top anti-semitic.

We're worse than Hitler. Good job we only write porn.

We are each and severally David whatever the fuck his name is the white supremacist and take turns to spam the boards with those messages.

Whilst, on the side, we are also Juanso jr(sp), the one bomb troll, Anon. (That's anon. from the loving wives and incest category) and in our spare time we're communist single, wetback, lesbian, welfare moms who immigrated illegaly to steal your job and your girlfriend and we're thinking of becoming Islamic/Wicca/Hindu/abortionist/witches.

You caught us out fare and square.
 
gauchecritic said:
You hit the nail squarely on the head with that crack. Yep. You got us dead to rights. Every single person that doesn't support your right wing militarist outlook is totally, over the top anti-semitic.

We're worse than Hitler. Good job we only write porn.
Well then, Gauchecritic, niw that you have admitted your bias, I need some humanitarian information from you in order to save the lives of children. Each day, rockets are launched from United Nations controlled areas into Israel. Said rockets kill Israeli women and children. Why is it that you and "Every single person that doesn't support your right wing militarist outlook" fail and/or refuse to pressure the UN to take simple, non-violent action that will end, once and for all, the rocket bombardment? TIA.

As to writing porn, I note that you have some 25 submissions to Literotica. Yep, that makes you a writer of porn. I have submitted OVER 300 submssions to Literotica [some of which have been withdrawn for expansion to novel length and paid publication.] If you are a writer of porn, what does then make me? TIA. [By the way, feel free to check out "Tails of The Pussycat Lounge" by R. Richard in Fictionwise.]

gauchecritic said:
Whilst, on the side, we are also Juanso jr(sp), the one bomb troll, Anon. (That's anon. from the loving wives and incest category) and in our spare time we're communist single, wetback, lesbian, welfare moms who immigrated illegaly to steal your job and your girlfriend and we're thinking of becoming Islamic/Wicca/Hindu/abortionist/witches.

You caught us out fare and square.
You don't need to tell me about one-bomb trolls. I have my own entourage.

If you are communist, you are an idiot. [Check out the fate of communist Russia.]
If you are single, that is your business.
If you are a wetback you would be writing me in Mexican-Spanish.
If you are a lesbian, that is your business, unless you try to force me to be a lesbian [fat chance!]
If you are a welfare mom, I can only tell you of my personal experience. I went to my local City Council and offered to go into the business of collecting court ordered child support payments from deadbeat dads/moms. [I used to collect money for The Man. I am an acknowledged expert in the area.] The City Council was/is not interested in collecting court ordered child support payments from deadbeat dads/moms. Why not? TIA.
If you were an Islamic woman, you would probably not be writing me, because you would be unable to read or write.
If you contemplate Wicca, I would urge you to check out La Vecchia Religione. LVR goes far beyond Wicca. In fact, Priests of LVR are the only people who have ever shown me better Field Interrogation techniques than what I use. Of course, they have to use drugs, hypnotism and such. I just use my hands and feet.
If you are a Hindu, then you may share my outrage that I am not allowed to practice my worship of T'uggee.
If you are an abortionist, that is your business, so long as you are a licensed doctor. Abortion is a medical procedure and is properly between a woman and her doctor(s).
If you are a witch, that is conceptually your business. However, back when, women herbal doctors could often do more than the doctors of the day. Thus, the doctors made it illegal to be a witch. Since some witches were frauds, the ban made a certain amount of sense. However, I am willing to listen to REASONED arguments.

Franky, Gauchecritic, your ad hominem attack on me disappoints me. If my arguments are not well reasoned, destroy them. If my arguments are well reasoned, respond to them with better reasoning. However, do not claim to be fair when you stand with people who allow daily rocket attacks on women and children who happen to be of a different religion than the rocketeers.

JMNTHO.
 
R. Richard said:
"It is bad for Israel to bomb or shoot at homes, even when said homes are being used as weapons storage facilities or firing points." However, no one has brought up the point that Hizb'Allah is targetting civilian cities in Israel with rockets that have ordnance consisting of kilos of explosive and several thousand ball bearings designed to kill civilians. Is it because the Israeli civilians are Jews?
RR, I never saw where this thread asked me anything about whether I think Hizbollah is a cute and loveable bunch.

They're not. Thet are a bunch or illegit bandits with no regards of human rights conventions or rules of engagement, and they use terrorist methods of warfare, as well as using civilians as human shields. Hizbollah, as an organization, has forfeit their right to exist, and should we wiped off the face of the earth.

K? Haver I made myself clear?

Does that mean that everyone has to agree on exactly every method that Israel employ in this wiping? Or else they are jew haters?

Sorry, I don't get it.
 
Imagine if you will, a mobster. A bad man indeed, but father of 3 children for whom he cares and provides.

Imagine another man. We could call him a rival mobster, but let's call him a policeman, for the sake of argument. A good cop. A well-fed, well-off policeman, father of 3 children for whom he cares and provides.

They live across the street from each other.

One day, there is a showdown between the two. Shots are fired. The mobster empties his weapon in the direction of the policeman, and one of the bullets hits one of the policeman's children.

The policeman goes inside and gets his machine-gun. In a hail of fire, he breaks into the murderer's house and points the machine-gun at him. The mobster cowardly takes cover behind his own children.

And then this policeman looks right into the eyes of these three children and, one by one, shoots them in the head.

Now, who the fuck is in the right?
 
Lauren Hynde said:
Imagine if you will, a mobster. A bad man indeed, but father of 3 children for whom he cares and provides.

Imagine another man. We could call him a rival mobster, but let's call him a policeman, for the sake of argument. A good cop. A well-fed, well-off policeman, father of 3 children for whom he cares and provides.

They live across the street from each other.

One day, there is a showdown between the two. Shots are fired. The mobster empties his weapon in the direction of the policeman, and one of the bullets hits one of the policeman's children.

The policeman goes inside and gets his machine-gun. In a hail of fire, he breaks into the murderer's house and points the machine-gun at him. The mobster cowardly takes cover behind his own children.

And then this policeman looks right into the eyes of these three children and, one by one, shoots them in the head.

Now, who the fuck is in the right?

Lauren, let me add a tiny bit of information to your scenario and then let's try for an answer.

"The mobster cowardly takes cover behind his own children and continues firing.

[By the way, scumbags do not use machine guns. Even the SWAT scumbags use assault weapons set on single fire until ordered otherwise. Let's be fair here.]
 
Liar said:
RR, I never saw where this thread asked me anything about whether I think Hizbollah is a cute and loveable bunch.

They're not. Thet are a bunch or illegit bandits with no regards of human rights conventions or rules of engagement, and they use terrorist methods of warfare, as well as using civilians as human shields. Hizbollah, as an organization, has forfeit their right to exist, and should we wiped off the face of the earth.

K? Haver I made myself clear?

Does that mean that everyone has to agree on exactly every method that Israel employ in this wiping? Or else they are jew haters?

Sorry, I don't get it.

Sorry, Liar, I don't get it. I see people weeping over dead Lebanese children, without mentioning that Israeli children are also dying. The Lebanese children are dying because Hizb'Allah uses then as human shields. The Israeli children are dying because Hizb'Allah uses them as civilian targets. Why is there no mention of the murder of Israeli children? TIA.

I don't agree with MANY of the methods that Israel is using in the was against the Hizb'Allah. I am actually something of an expert in the area of military tactics. I have attempted to advise the Israeli's on sound, practical tactical solutions to several problems in the Hizb'Allah war. I have been ignored. At least, I tried.
 
R. Richard said:
Lauren, let me add a tiny bit of information to your scenario and then let's try for an answer.

"The mobster cowardly takes cover behind his own children and continues firing.

[By the way, scumbags do not use machine guns. Even the SWAT scumbags use assault weapons set on single fire until ordered otherwise. Let's be fair here.]
Sure, why not:


Imagine if you will, a mobster. A bad man indeed, but father of 3 children for whom he cares and provides.

Imagine another man. We could call him a rival mobster, but let's call him a policeman, for the sake of argument. A good cop. A well-fed, well-off policeman, father of 3 children for whom he cares and provides.

They live across the street from each other.

One day, there is a showdown between the two. Shots are fired. The mobster empties his weapon in the direction of the policeman, and one of the bullets hits one of the policeman's children.

The policeman goes inside and gets his assault-riffle. In a hail of fire, he breaks into the murderer's house, sets the riffle on single fire, and points it at him. The mobster cowardly takes cover behind his own children and continues shooting.

And then this policeman looks right into the eyes of these three children and, one by one, shoots them in the head.​


Does that make it one iota better?
 
Lauren Hynde said:
Sure, why not:


Imagine if you will, a mobster. A bad man indeed, but father of 3 children for whom he cares and provides.

Imagine another man. We could call him a rival mobster, but let's call him a policeman, for the sake of argument. A good cop. A well-fed, well-off policeman, father of 3 children for whom he cares and provides.

They live across the street from each other.

One day, there is a showdown between the two. Shots are fired. The mobster empties his weapon in the direction of the policeman, and one of the bullets hits one of the policeman's children.

The policeman goes inside and gets his assault-riffle. In a hail of fire, he breaks into the murderer's house, sets the riffle on single fire, and points it at him. The mobster cowardly takes cover behind his own children and continues shooting.

And then this policeman looks right into the eyes of these three children and, one by one, shoots them in the head.​


Does that make it one iota better?
One problem with your analogy is that the mobster, as the policeman is trying to kill him. is still taking pot shots at the policeman's house, too. That lends a bit more sense of urgency to the policeman's actions. The policeman is not only trying to kill the mobster, he's trying to stop the active attacks still being made upon his children.

Further, the policeman, being well trained, does attempt to shoot the mobster without hitting the children, but as the little skank, who cares so much about his kids that he's using them as a shield, keeps jinking and dodging, so as he is gunned down, one child is killed and another wounded. However the policeman does not casually dispatch the remaining injured child as well as the unhurt one. Had the mobster won, he would have gone across the street and killed anyone in the house.

So, yes, it is much better if the policeman wins.

If Israel wins, and Hezbollah is destroyed, the war is over. If Hezbollah wins and the Israeli army is destroyed, everyone in Israel dies.

You mistake lack of ability on the part of the terrorists to truly win for a lack of desire to do so. If they were somehow given the 'magic bullet' that would destroy Israel in one stroke, they'd use it without hesitation or hand wringing, and then they'd do the same to the USA and Europe and Canada and Australia and Japan and pretty much anyone who isn't throwing up minarettes as fast as they can pour concrete.

Remember, Fanatic Muslems wish to kill you just as much as they want to kill Republicans, and they will, if they can figure out a way to do so. Thinking otherwise is simply foolish. Keep thinking they are just misunderstood when their publicly stated goals are your destruction.
 
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