Guileful and Marximus and my involvement.

[freakygirl]

Okay

Funny, I didn't get one of those pop-up thingies

that happens to me on occasion too.

What I love is when I get random pm pop ups.. yet no pm's.

 

[Freya]

Now stop talking to me, I'm trying to get back to a post on page 24 to answer something Freya said.

Page 24? I'm only on page 20.

 

[freakygirl]

Page 24? I'm only on page 20.

I'm on 22.

Maybe it has to do with the number of posts per page and who we have on ignore...

 

[Ishmael]

Well, I don't troll people, ok, except LT, and I'm not mean spirited to people either...ok, well, except LT. I've come to the conclusion that if by now, people that have 'known' me from the beginning still believe that I would do something even remotely close to this, then there isn't much I can do to change their minds, so I'm not even gonna try.

Don't take it personally Bent. It's not meant that way.

It's a matter of policy with me. Has been since Aug. of 2002. And even that policy hasn't prevented me from being the target of an ignorant PM campaign promulgated by some trolls.

Oddly enough that campaign started out of San Antonio as well. Although I doubt Bobby boy was behind that one.

I have had some friends here that were embarrassed by something they told someone in confidence and that person told another. Some people can't be trusted with any information at all. They're just born gossips. Invariably that information finds it's way into the hands of particularly viscious people. like the group under discussion here, and returns to the board in some twisted/perverted form.

Do I think that you're a troll? Nope. Do I know you well enough to trust you? No again.

Trust grows through the earning. It is not something automatically bestowed. I talk to very few on the board anymore. But those that I still talk to have proven themselves worthy of trust by not talking about anything I've said with third parties. I like to think I've earned their trust as well.

I'm sure the Rhys's statement is meant in the same way mine was. As a statement of policy and not directed at you personally.

Ishmael

 

[Freya]

I'm on 22.

Maybe it has to do with the number of posts per page and who we have on ignore...

umm, ooops.

22 here too. So I'm a dork and can't read.

 

[Calamity Jane]

No Sunny, nobody cares. Besides your remarks were just you being you. After all its hilarious when somebody you don't like is trolled and tragic when its someone you do. If you are wondering, this is and always has been my fundamental problem with you.

Now do us all a favour? Shut up.

Wow. Take someone off ignore for the first time in months, only to realize they're still the same exact person.

 

[Bent]

Until Laurel and/or Draah comes forward and says that yes, they did give Bob that info.. then I'm leaning towards the idea that that information was made up.

Should we assume that since Heavy won't deny or admit that he was part of the whole marximus thing, then by default he's innocent? I disagree.

Giving out people's IP numbers, personal info and all that, should be addressed by those accused, to include Laurel and draaah. If they didn't do it, fine...as I said with Heavy, a simple no would suffice, but since it seems to me that people aren't saying anything in the hopes that it will just blow over and eventually no one will care, then yeah, for me, I believe them to be guilty.

And all this 'Laurel PMd me and swore she didn't do it'....only to her 'friends' is ridiculous at best. There are a great deal of people that support this board, buy their books, etc, and they deserve an answer just as much as the chosen few.

This isn't a board based on exchanging recipes, this is a porn board, granted we keep the porn as 'clean' as possible that flows through here (no kids, no animals, etc), but ultimately it's still not a place that many on here would check in front of their spouse or at work...(and that's even mentioned in the guidelines)...so to even think that it's possible that the owners and mods are handing each other info then passing it on to other posters to me is just as vindictive, no matter what their reason.

To portray this board as being a place where we can be discreet and feel free to be ourselves, and then turn around and hand out our info on a platter, really is disturbing.

 

[sunstruck]

Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying, since I wasn't really sure what you meant by that--that is, whether there are some people who are just universally off limits/untouchable, or what.

It's all pretty yuck. My preference is to limit my Lit friends to people whom I actually like (and thus won't talk shit about behind their backs), but I'm just weird like that.

We share that quirk.

No, I don't believe in the untouchables. I do think there are people that in MY opinion are off limits because they've never posted a malicious or hurtful thing in their time here. People like Debbie or Eumie.

 

[Cherry]

Well, I'd post it but posting Lit PMs is against the rules.

Basically some long winded bullshit, where she refuses to admit things she has already admitted in the past, most likely for fear I'd post the PM or send it to people, which I'll probably do anyways. She gives me shit for being untrustworthy and such. Pretty much exactly what I figured would be in there.

Now stop talking to me, I'm trying to get back to a post on page 24 to answer something Freya said.

Errrrrm ... what? do you have a crystal ball, or something?
This is page 21


As far as posting MWG's pm, what difference would it make if you break the rules now? You aren't planning on sticking around here, are you?

What are you? A glutton for punishment? You've got to be the most disliked person on the GB now.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Giving out people's IP numbers, personal info and all that, should be addressed by those accused, to include Laurel and draaah. If they didn't do it, fine...as I said with Heavy, a simple no would suffice, but since it seems to me that people aren't saying anything in the hopes that it will just blow over and eventually no one will care, then yeah, for me, I believe them to be guilty.

And all this 'Laurel PMd me and swore she didn't do it'....only to her 'friends' is ridiculous at best. There are a great deal of people that support this board, buy their books, etc, and they deserve an answer just as much as the chosen few.

There's really no need to bother Laurel about this crap.

That's sort of like demanding that the Kindergarten teacher prove she wasn't the one that threw the spitwad.

 

[Guest]

 

[Cherry]

Originally posted by freakygurl
Until Laurel and/or Draah comes forward and says that yes, they did give Bob that info.. then I'm leaning towards the idea that that information was made up.



And, what about honeylick?

Didn't Morcheeba say that information she gave honeylick on a postcard ended up in one of the alt flame threads?

Maybe she should be asked what part she played in the scenario?

 

[SleepingWarrior]

So now that you are all hated and stuff can ya tell me what that big list you had was about?

 

[Bent]

There's really no need to bother Laurel about this crap.

That's sort of like demanding that the Kindergarten teacher prove she wasn't the one that threw the spitwad.

I completely disagree with you. What you're saying is comparable to accusing the President of something, and he has to answer to you because you are a Democrat, but Kerry doesn't have to because you support him.

 

[Calamity Jane]

There's really no need to bother Laurel about this crap.

That's sort of like demanding that the Kindergarten teacher prove she wasn't the one that threw the spitwad.

AND, if Laurel, as the owner of this board DID choose to share information with a moderator, or her friend, that's her choice.
(and no, I don't think she did)

It's not the sharing of information that bothers me. I could give two shits if information about me comes up in conversation, it's the malicious intent behind the way the information came back out on the board that sucks.

 

[gravyrug]

A lot of people have echoed this sentiment when defending someone against charges of trolling.

"He/She doesn't need to troll because they're not afraid to say what they as their own name."

I don't think fear has anything to do with it, personally. Bob, Design and MWG are in my opinion some of the posters who are bravest with their opinions, no matter how scathing they are. I don't think they fear reprisal from their posting-peers.

Yet, they used Alts to stir the shit.

They could just as well have used their own names to post the shit they did. I don't see much difference between the Alts and their regular user names.

In this case, the alts were there so that the trolls could keep collecting dirt under their regular nicks. Apparently at least some of the targets were people they were unwilling to confront with the real issues, so they dug for dirt and used the alts to troll them with it. Having been one of the targets, I find it amusing how much of the "dirt" was either inacurate or just not particularly dirty. <honeylick smirk>

 

[Guest]

 

[sunstruck]

They always claimed that they did though. How many times have we heard MWG especially, saying just that?

I have said it a million times it seems and maybe this mess will finally make people believe it.

Protecting your reputation is not the only reason for having an alt. People do it to call more attention to shit, to break rules, make it seem like more people agree on something than actually do, to bring new attention to something when people have stopped listening to their shit under their usual name and many more.


That's why I never bought it when someone said "I say what I think under my real name so I couldn't possibly be an alt". Hell, I've said it myself before realizing how silly it was.

 

[Calamity Jane]

Originally posted by freakygurl
Until Laurel and/or Draah comes forward and says that yes, they did give Bob that info.. then I'm leaning towards the idea that that information was made up.



And, what about honeylick?

Didn't Morcheeba say that information she gave honeylick on a postcard ended up in one of the alt flame threads?

Maybe she should be asked what part she played in the scenario?

Careful, your vendetta is showing.

 

[Bent]

AND, if Laurel, as the owner of this board DID choose to share information with a moderator, or her friend, that's her choice.
(and no, I don't think she did)

It's not the sharing of information that bothers me. I could give two shits if information about me comes up in conversation, it's the malicious intent behind the way the information came back out on the board that sucks.

So, let me ask you this...if Laurel decided to one day just hand over all the info that she gathers from this website to the Justice Department because she feels like it, then it's ok, because she owns this place? Again...people on this board bitch and moan about the Patriot Act, yet here is a prime example of what can happen if information is put into the wrong hands.

I get your point, I just disagree with it.

 

[Guest]

 

[freakygirl]

Originally posted by freakygurl
Until Laurel and/or Draah comes forward and says that yes, they did give Bob that info.. then I'm leaning towards the idea that that information was made up.



And, what about honeylick?

Didn't Morcheeba say that information she gave honeylick on a postcard ended up in one of the alt flame threads?

Maybe she should be asked what part she played in the scenario?

I believe that information was posted (by Morcheeba) on the board months ago. I don't remember if a troll or someone else brought it up or not.

 

[sunstruck]

Wow. Take someone off ignore for the first time in months, only to realize they're still the same exact person.

Yep.

 

[Calamity Jane]

So, let me ask you this...if Laurel decided to one day just hand over all the info that she gathers from this website to the Justice Department because she feels like it, then it's ok, because she owns this place? Again...people on this board bitch and moan about the Patriot Act, yet here is a prime example of what can happen if information is put into the wrong hands.

I get your point, I just disagree with it.

Of course it would be 'ok'. Maybe not nice, I'm sure it'd make us all uncomfortable. But, the fact is, Laurel owns this site. She can do whatever the fuck she wants with the 'information' gathered here.

You're insane if you think there's any expectation of privacy beyond your user name.

BUT, I have faith that Laurel wouldn't do that.

 

[Bent]

Read the first letters of all the names on the first post of the list thread, then you will know.

LINK!