Groupthink

[Bidin~Time]

Thanks, hot stuff. You make me cum with the sight of your delicious lady-bits.

Just don't get all dehydrated this time, okay?

 

[Misspent_Ute]

Ask me again if this thread survives to page four.

I'll be here all night.


I'll ask on page four.


Don't forget to tip your waitress.

 

[Misspent_Ute]

Clarification...,



Does the group reaching consensus have a uniting philosophy/set of goals?

If the answer is yes, then you do not have a collection of individuals, but a conclave that an individual surrenders to to be part of something bigger gaining that which they could not achieve as an individual.

Now, does this mean that the groups is good or bad? No. It is not a moral judgement. It could be the church or it could be a totalitarian movement.

 

[Richard_P_Feynman]

Just don't get all dehydrated this time, okay?

You know I cum buckets, baby. I should let you experience the real thing.

 

[Que]

Clarification...,



Does the group reaching consensus have a uniting philosophy/set of goals?

If the answer is yes, then you do not have a collection of individuals, but a conclave that an individual surrenders to to be part of something bigger gaining that which they could not achieve as an individual.

Now, does this mean that the groups is good or bad? No. It is not a moral judgement. It could be the church or it could be a totalitarian movement.

In her original example it does make sense if they are considering a broader question does this person going to be a good fit with the team?

It seems to me though that they should be able to express an individual's opinion in that well I like them fine or I find them a little off-putting and not worry about what other people do or don't think and how that is going to invent really impact the team.

 

[Bidin~Time]

I would love to edit it.. but i cannot, there appears to be bugs in editing profiles.

48/m/married...

I had heard that was a problem; I'll fire off a memo to Lance...erm...oh wait, it may never be fixed. Sorry bout that.

Welcome!! Brush up on your "tuck and roll" you'll need that here.

 

[Misspent_Ute]

In her original example it does make sense if they are considering a broader question does this person going to be a good fit with the team?

It seems to me though that they should be able to express an individual's opinion in that well I like them fine or I find them a little off-putting and not worry about what other people do or don't think and how that is going to invent really impact the team.

In my instance, I would say we because I divide the teams up and would have to meet with the team leader for their observations since I'm basically concerned with overseeing the training through the team leaders.



Once everyone is trained and I get to interacting with the new hires, then and only then do I learn why I hate them.

 

[Bidin~Time]

I'll be here all night.


I'll ask on page four.


Don't forget to tip your waitress.

<gives you the note about page 4>

 

[Misspent_Ute]

No thanks...


I'll just wing it.

 

[Bidin~Time]

You know I cum buckets, baby. I should let you experience the real thing.

Sorry, Punkin, didn't mean to ignore you. Pace yourself. Ya don't want EMS having to show up.

 

[Bidin~Time]

No thanks...


I'll just wing it.

Alright, but if you don't remember til page 6, don't blame me.

 

[Misspent_Ute]

I am not senile.


I am just not a bright man...

 

[thør]

I'm just waiting for the tits.

 

[Bidin~Time]

I am not senile.


I am just not a bright man...

duly noted

I'm just waiting for the tits.

I'm just waiting to see how many pages this goes.

 

[Misspent_Ute]

12.57

 

[butters]

When asked about a relatively new hire:"We haven't decided if we like them yet"

My reaction was not popular: "Can't you think for yourself? What is YOUR opinion of them?"



Apply it to your world here and offline and discuss.

why did they hire them if they didn't like them (for the position, if nothing else)?

i always do apply it, here and in my day-to-day world. i like to make up my own mind about people; sometimes that ends up coinciding with how others think about them, sometimes not, and if i spent all my time weighting my opinions with those of others i'd be a failure at adulting.

 

[Que]

In corporate America, you are not allowed to hire people that you like. That's why you have HR departments to do the hiring. That way it's all neutral, "fair" and promotes diversity and like that.

The people doing the hiring are neither the people that would end up working with the people that they just hired but also are not generally people who've ever done the job for which they're doing the hiring for.

 

[Bidin~Time]

12.57

Goober!!

 

[butters]

In corporate America, you are not allowed to hire people that you like. That's why you have HR departments to do the hiring. That way it's all neutral, "fair" and promotes diversity and like that.

The people doing the hiring are neither the people that would end up working with the people that they just hired but also are not generally people who've ever done the job for which they're doing the hiring for.

when i hired people i was going to be working with them, so they needed to be able to do the job AND work well with myself and the other staff

 

[Misspent_Ute]

This is not The Andy Griffith Show.


And Que is right. The first time I meet the hires is when they show up for their first shift.

 

[Que]

when i hired people i was going to be working with them, so they needed to be able to do the job AND work well with myself and the other staff

Welcome to America.

Here we have lawyers. Lots and lots and lots of lawyers. we have an entire multi-story buildings in Washington and the surrounding areas full of nothing but lawyers. For example everyone who works for the Department of Agriculture in Washington is a lawyer. They aren't farmers.

One of those buildings is a very very large building full of lawyers for something called the EEOC the equal employment opportunity commission.

If they even think that you did not do an enthusiastic job about discriminating against white males they will send you a nasty letter and probably fine you. if it's a government agency correlation equals causation. Every time. No excuses. No second chances. No, "but this is a really really good worker is why I hired him."

You keep detailed records of who applied who was interviewed and who was hired and why. After they are hired you then keep detailed records of what you said to them and about what. When you review their performance what you said about that why you thought that and of course all along the way you have to count noses into appropriate categories.

if it turns out that the person is a poor fit and you really don't like them and no one there likes them for very good reasons you are not about to fire such a person. You have to wait for them to screw up and very significant ways to cover your ass when you actually do fire them. That's why the concern about whether or not we like them.

cuz the ones that you don't like have all the power. And will probably be promoted.

 

[Bidin~Time]

I will elaborate just a skootch on the OP.

This person does not hire or fire, they are, in the big grand scheme of things, a peon, just as I am. I see part of my job, and theirs, to be welcoming and teach the new hires the ropes so they can perform their jobs properly. Their answer tells me they are not doing that, they are throwing the new person to the wolves. And trust me, the have the rep of doing just that, then running to management with complaints on performance.

 

[Misspent_Ute]

Que, the cow has never run a business in her life...



We hired this black woman who stopped working after the first day. Oh she showed up all right, she just wouldn't do anything, so at the end of the week and sure as shit, the government showed up and forced us to hire her back. We folded the company, let everyone go and just worked as subcontractors after that.

 

[butters]

I will elaborate just a skootch on the OP.

This person does not hire or fire, they are, in the big grand scheme of things, a peon, just as I am. I see part of my job, and theirs, to be welcoming and teach the new hires the ropes so they can perform their jobs properly. Their answer tells me they are not doing that, they are throwing the new person to the wolves. And trust me, the have the rep of doing just that, then running to management with complaints on performance.

they sound like a collective shitbaggery. sorry you have to work with them.

 

[Que]

I will elaborate just a skootch on the OP.

This person does not hire or fire, they are, in the big grand scheme of things, a peon, just as I am. I see part of my job, and theirs, to be welcoming and teach the new hires the ropes so they can perform their jobs properly. Their answer tells me they are not doing that, they are throwing the new person to the wolves. And trust me, the have the rep of doing just that, then running to management with complaints on performance.

That's kind of the context that I was trying to explain to Butters in that neither you nor the person that you were querying (heh) has any say in whether that person is hired or retained.

It sounds like your organization does have a viable method for calling the rejects. You just simply sabotage, undermine them, cause them to fail and then get them fired. Seems like a lot of unnecessary extra steps but you got to do what you got to do to clean up the place.

Fight the power!