Gor: On-line roleplaying in IRC

[free-dreams]

A year ago or so ago, i had an experience with some IRC chatting in a Gor society. My r/l former Domme had "given" me to a Domme on there in hopes i would be content to serving someone, even if it was just online.

It was quite an experience, and i must say it ended tragically. i enjoyed the online roleplaying, however (and i may offend some people out there, i know) there are those on there that are totally lost into the fantasy realm. i started out with one Domme, and things were great, and in the "tavern" room i was being regarded as a very promising and excellent male slave, something rare i guess on there. Well, i ended up getting my throat slit in the tavern because my Domme did something to disturb another Dom, and then i was banned forever from the tavern.

i attempted to try again under a different screen name, but things didnt work out because they then banned male slaves. i was flabergasted and almost cried until i realised it was just a "game" to some of those people, and that r/l experiences are much more emotional and fulfilling.

So, i was just wondering if any others had their opinions on the online Gor roleplaying, or stories to share.

 

[il mio angelo]

I was at one time attempting to forge a relationship with a great guy. It was a r/l connection, not online, though he too was Gorean. He billed himself as a Gorean Master, and was at one point very involved in that online play they do. The kicker was that he wanted to "live it," and he actually had lived it for a while with a slave he had.

What he explained to me was that he just took the basic ideas and beliefs of Gor, and applied them to everyday life. He rarely used the termanology around me, but did encourage that I read up on it, so I did.

Out of curiousity one night I went into a Gor chat room, I wanted to see for myself. I was in the room maybe 5 minutes when I was 'force collared' or 'kollar' as I believe it was called. I was then told to start serving the other "Masters" in the room some kind of beverage (can't remember the name), and told that to call any male in the room (top, Dom, whatever they consider it) anything other than Master, was an extreme insult. That was more than enough for me, and I left. About two weeks later, the man I was trying to get to know told me to start referring to myself as 'this girl' 'a girl' etc.... I couldn't do it, it just seemed to much like roleplay, and not what I wanted. His response -- "Fine, go back and try to live life doing that 'Disney D/s' you want to do.... I want something better." Bub-bye was all I said.

I am not putting down those that prefer Gor, and like that 'cyber play' it is just not for me, and I would think that it would be hard to live out in r/l..... JMHO

 

[FungiUg]

Fantasy role-playing can be very intense, largely because it is such a fantasy... how can the real world compete?

This isn't purely a Gor phenomenon, but Gor is a wonderful example, because it combines fantasy role play with intense sexuality.

I guess how far you get into it is up to you. Just remember to come up for air occasionally and see the real world.

 

[ammre]

heh, i don't know much about Gor, but i can tell you IRC has a habit of breeding very territorial people due to the fact that people come back to certian rooms and there's the ops and all that other stufff, it become more of a society rather than a pickup type thing that yahoo does. Most places that have regulars will have some assholes as well as the nice guys.

 

[yaspis]

Most places that have regulars will have some assholes as well as the nice guys.

All places have assholes and nice guys.

I've done my best to avoid Gor people. I've done research on the subject, and I don't condemn them - fantasy is, indeed, so much better and gentler than the real world, but this is something that I plainly don't like. I don't share their view of life. Though, I must admit, Gor chatrooms are famous of the erotic roleplay, but I'd rather play Vampire.

 

[Justina123]

I have read the first 12 or so Gor books and really enjoyed them. I read them at Sir's suggestion (not order)- he has read a couple and also liked them. Some of the slave philosophy can be appreciated and used- for instance, the idea that Mr. Norman repeats many times in his books, that modern society tries to "keep women from being feminine and sensual" and that a woman is happiest when freed from these societal strictures and smply expected to be a woman, to revel in her sensuality, to please men, etc.

Of course they are just fiction and, while roleplay is fun once in a while, yes, there are some folks who in my humble opinion go off the deep end with it. But I recommend the books as great reading.

- justina

 

[FungiUg]

the idea that Mr. Norman repeats many times in his books, that modern society tries to "keep women from being feminine and sensual" and that a woman is happiest when freed from these societal strictures and smply expected to be a woman, to revel in her sensuality, to please men, etc.

Justina, I doubt most women would agree with you. There has never at any time in the history of our planet been a time when women are freer, more able to express their sexuality without fear of repression or ridicule.

I dare ya. Name a time when women were more free to be themselves.

John Norman's idea is that women are only truly free when they are slaves and have no rights -- by definition, not free at all. Now personally, I see a little problem with that. Yes, that may work for some women, but definately not a majority -- even most submissives would object to the lack of rights that a Gorean slave girl has.

So... personally I disagree with John Norman. I did enjoy the first four or five of the books, and they do make a nice male fantasy. But... I enjoy women. I enjoy them being my equals. I enjoy them being free and able to express themselves and choose. That doesn't threaten my masculinity.

To me, the John Norman books read like someone who is afraid of women, and can only handle them if they are locked up, and that way they don't "threaten" his masculinity.

(From what I have read about John Norman, he actually wrote the books deliberately to sell to the young adult male market, and I know most young adult males are still a little afraid of women.)

Oh sure, our society isn't perfect. And it's by no means as liberated sexually as it could be. But there's never been a time in history when women had as much freedom and the ability to freely express themselves, including sexually.

Oh, out of interest, you may notice that John Norman almost completely sidelines children. Yes, they do appear in the books, but minimally. Much of our society has been set up with the idea of protecting children and allowing mothers time to raise children. We are even starting to evolve to the point where mothers and fathers both can be the care giver. There is no allowance in John Norman's books for that element of society.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

To me, the John Norman books read like someone who is afraid of women, and can only handle them if they are locked up, and that way they don't "threaten" his masculinity.

(From what I have read about John Norman, he actually wrote the books deliberately to sell to the young adult male market, and I know most young adult males are still a little afraid of women.)

From what I've seen, the 'men' who want to roleplay(especially in the Gorean style) are scared little boys who in a real-life situation couldn't dominate an underwear advertisement. When they end up damaging women, being abusive, etc, we all sit around and go 'oh, most of them aren't like that!' I say that most of the Gorean players (and other 'more fantasy than reality so-called Masters') are exactly like that.

Just my less-than-humble opinion...

 

[Netzach]

You don't *see* the children in Gor, but they are there, being raised by the virginal-matriarchal Free Women and the next generation of muscled Ubermenschen, you just know it.

I'm not a fan.

 

[Justina123]

FungUig, you are most likely correct about women having more sexual freedom now than in the past. No longer are women severely judged or even executed for having sex with men to whom they are not married. However, that does not mean that real freedom exists. In my opinion, freedom exists to be strong, to be be independent, to dress and act in what would have at one time been considered a masculine fashion. In addition, freedom also exists to dress and act in a sexually provocative manner, but this carries a definite negative stigma among most of the middle class people who make up the majority of our society. You can dress and act like Madonna (for lack of thinking of a better example off the top of my head), but if you live in middle class America, your job and reputation will most likely go down the tubes.

While of course I know it is only a fantasy... the idea of living in a world where sensuality is rewarded, where female promiscuity is normal (and not unhealthy or an invitation to disease) and female slaves are encouraged to revel in their sexuality, where roles are clearly defined, where the woman exists to please a master or masters, has a defiinite appeal. Of course, in the books 99% of masters, while they may be strict and harsh at times, are not abusive, as destroying one's property makes little sense.

I may be in the minority here... but this all has a strong appeal to me. Oh, for at least a few weeks each year to be whisked away to Gor! (is there a Gorean resort anywhere, ha?)

- justina

 

[FungiUg]

[...] freedom also exists to dress and act in a sexually provocative manner, but this carries a definite negative stigma among most of the middle class people who make up the majority of our society. [...]

Agreed. That stigma also exists for men, by the way (from personal experience.) But hey, we're working on it! Oh, and feel free to dress like a slut around me, I shan't complain!

 

[Quint]

Could be fun. But it kind of defeats the purpose of feeling humiliated for acting like a slut when being a slut is encouraged by all.

 

[FungiUg]

Could be fun. But it kind of defeats the purpose of feeling humiliated for acting like a slut when being a slut is encouraged by all.

Good point. You'd lose that lovely "dirty/naughty" thrill. Also, I like my sluts to be that was as an active choice, not because it's just normal.

 

[Netzach]

Hard as this might be to believe, there are some of us who reject middle class values and mores and manage to survive, building reputations among those whose opinions we actually value rather than some unseen middlebrow vox pop.

Which is also, if you look at earnings data *not* the majority of the US. We just like to look at them on TV.

(I was a bohemian baby domme and lived to tell)

I don't feel like my sexuality is particularly quashed nor applauded. I have simply decided not to care who's happy about it other than me.

Decidedly outside anything fostered in Gor, imagine, a woman who's dominant *and* likes to get laid!

 

[Howling_Ire]

FungUig, you are most likely correct about women having more sexual freedom now than in the past. No longer are women severely judged or even executed for having sex with men to whom they are not married. However, that does not mean that real freedom exists. In my opinion, freedom exists to be strong, to be be independent, to dress and act in what would have at one time been considered a masculine fashion. In addition, freedom also exists to dress and act in a sexually provocative manner, but this carries a definite negative stigma among most of the middle class people who make up the majority of our society. You can dress and act like Madonna (for lack of thinking of a better example off the top of my head), but if you live in middle class America, your job and reputation will most likely go down the tubes.
- justina

you know... the above statement dosen't even apply to the rest of the world right now... i mean yes most of europe, america, canada, mexico, austrialia and all the countries around it, even parts of south america, to name a few, women enjoy these freedoms..they get choices in how they live or act..thier's still alot of places in the world where that's not true...thier's still alot of places where things like FGM go on...and to me that's sad, any human being with out a choice is unfortunate

as for middle class american values.....they are just that values... beliefs based on a moralistic structure...you don't have to adhere to the moralistic structure..and you can refuse to adhere to and have a productive life..how do you do this? i'd suggest not bragging about it or haveing ot make a huge poing out of it... thier's peronal life and then thier is work life..soemtimes the two mix..ususaly isn't a good idea

of course i could be smokeing crack

 

[Howling_Ire]

oops...dp, yay!!!

 

[FungiUg]

thier's still alot of places where things like FGM go on...and to me that's sad, any human being with out a choice is unfortunate

Indeed. There is still much work to be done before the world manages to get to grips with the idea that people should be treated as people.

Cultural mutilation is sad, I agree.