Goering on war

[REDWAVE]

"But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and then denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

-- Hermann Goering

 

[Lost Cause]

Funny....

The CCCP lived under that same principle until it crashed econmically from trying to outdo the capitalist "invaders". All repressive regimes seem to grasp that principle, I'm glad the US is exempt from it!

"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic. "
Joseph Stalin

 

[curious2c]

Field Marshall Goering also said:

Guns will make us powerful, butter will only make us fat. July 1936

 

[teddybear4play]

"But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and then denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

-- Hermann Goering

Boy, you're really clever, this being about the 17,000th time I've seen that quote.

And really intelligent, with all that thought and analysis following that nice little C&P job.

Nothing at all like a hit-and-run idiot.

TB4p

 

[A Desert Rose]

"But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and then denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

-- Hermann Goering

Okay so I am going to assume that you are somehow using this quote in the context of today and the United States.

And you take this quote to be meaningful? I will also assume that.

All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and then denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

I am again going to assume that you are using this statement to, in your own strange mind, explain that the US government has made up some bogus attack (maybe the 3 planes that were hijacked and then used to kill over 3000 international innocents.)

Or perhaps you are somehow trying to use this to explain the government's position on Iraq and a potential war against that nation.

...it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.

No, in this nation and at this time, this is not true. If it were true, people who share your political views would not be allowed to do so openly and assemble openly, as you are able to do. People who believe as you do would be living in an ice wilderness similar to Siberia or packed into a cattle car and shipped off to a slave camp somewhere. That is how a government "drags people along." It is done through fear.

It cannot be done in a free and open society where dissent is allowed and encouraged. And if anyone is a prime example of that and the freedoms allowed to everyone, you REDWAVE are it.

 

[SINthysist]

BTW RED - I believe TB4P usually takes up the Democratic standard...

It's the Conservatives and Republicans that engage in name-calling...

Was Goering talking about how easily he was led into WWI?

 

[Problem Child]

Goering (and Hitler) were never democratically elected. They could also never be defeated in an election or removed via trial after impeachment or some other mechanism.

 

[Coolville]

Goering (and Hitler) were never democratically elected. They could also never be defeated in an election or removed via trial after impeachment or some other mechanism.

No, they weren't, but they were in power. How they got there is besides the point. Goering's words ring true nonetheless. They are poignant and timely in this current environment. Having been said by a bastard like him, having seen what he and his buddies were capable of, we have even more cause to take heed.

 

[SINthysist]

A people can JUST AS EASILY be drawn into appeasement...

Ask Goering!

 

[A Desert Rose]

A people can JUST AS EASILY be drawn into appeasement...

Ask Goering!

As I said. and was ignored, not in this country at this time. People like REDWAVE are perfect examples of why it can not be done *easily*. As long as dissenters like him are allowed and encouraged to assemble and spout off their beliefs, It cannot be *easily* done.

As I said before, to make it easy, the government has to rely on inducing fear to make people go along.

 

[Purple Haze]

The people of this country will gladly ride along with Boy George and his murderous thugs (many of which, never wore the uniform themselves) as long as the mainstream media keeps portraying it as exciting and necessary. Fear is a great motivator, and nobody knows this better than our "administration" that regularily mentions the next terrorist attack ahead. As long as we think we're still under attack, blowing the fuck out of innocent people is acceptable. (they call this collateral damage)

When enough body bags are filled with our sons and daughters, the media will sing a different tune, but it will be too late for some.

Bush and his gang will have what they wanted, they always will.

 

[SINthysist]

Yeah, but your post had lots of words and quotes and facts and stuff and I have an attention span limited by the M-TV life I live so it's message went clear over my head like so many things because I can only assimilate the sound bite have being given no classical training in any other form of communication or interaction and I bet you're not reading this anymore so I could call you a FUCTARD and you would pick out only that and flame me in the next post and then whoa Nelly the war will be on PRIMETIME LIVE TONIGHT as two junior bantam weights go after each other in the thrilla with no nilla...

NAZI!

 

[SINthysist]

Other than the innacurracy of American assembled weapons causing a few friendly fire fiascos as well as Routine Helicopter Crashes (RHC's), our boys and girls do a dman good job of filling up the other guy's body bags...

Nice to know you're allied with the French and Russians though.

 

[Purple Haze]

Allied with the French and Russians?

It's all black or white for you, isn't it?

You've bought into the "If you're not with us, you're against us" bullshit.

You've been bamboozled, AJ.

Congratulations, wave your flag and think of Bob Hope.

 

[SINthysist]

It's, Robin Williams.

I wave my flag for the ladies.

I'm a PATRIOTIC IDIODIC dupe. The happy kind ...

 

[REDWAVE]

Desert Rose

True, I haven't been hauled off to a death camp-- not yet, at least. But I've already suffered major persecution because of my political beliefs. I was fired from my job (threatening my very livelihood), received death threats (which the government did nothing about, thereby denying me the equal protection of the laws) and am subjected to constant abuse, insults, and vilification here (mostly by undercover government agents and right-wing political operatives) because of my political beliefs. Tell me again about all this wonderful freedom and tolerance for political dissent we have here.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Re: Desert Rose

True, I haven't been hauled off to a death camp-- not yet, at least. But I've already suffered major persecution because of my political beliefs. I was fired from my job (threatening my very livelihood), received death threats (which the government did nothing about, thereby denying me the equal protection of the laws) and am subjected to constant abuse, insults, and vilification here (mostly by undercover government agents and right-wing political operatives) because of my political beliefs. Tell me again about all this wonderful freedom and tolerance for political dissent we have here.

Death threats? Did they work?




I see you are still online, so Mr.Martyr how really bad is it living here?

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Goering on war

Boy, you're really clever, this being about the 17,000th time I've seen that quote.

Doesn't make the quote any less valid...

Unless you're denying it was said...

ppman

 

[p_p_man]

As I said before, to make it easy, the government has to rely on inducing fear to make people go along.

"A patriot should always be ready to defend his country - against his Government" - ppman signature



ppman

 

[A Desert Rose]

Re: Re: Re: Goering on war

Doesn't make the quote any less valid...

Unless you're denying it was said...

ppman

I can make it invalid. It has nothing to do with America in this time and place.

No matter how much REDWAVE wants to whine about his persecution, his rights are protected. That is what the ACLU is for.

 

[REDWAVE]

Tyranny Plaza

Tell that to the 650 people who were recently surrounded by the police and arrested just for congregating in Freedom Plaza (nice touch of irony there!) in D.C.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Goering on war

I can make it invalid. It has nothing to do with America in this time and place.

I see it as being very relevant to Bush's America, and unfortunately Blair's UK...

We're all being drawn into a war which has no truly valid basis, by politicians who are using the Goering technique...

Or do you think that the whole 'change of regime' thing is a massive game of bluff?

At the moment George has lost his direction but that constant "Saadam is baaaad! Weapons of maaas destruction!" litany has a hypnotic effect on many people...

And if we are to believe the polls, the majority of people...

ppman

 

[REDWAVE]

Don't believe the polls. They're being manipulated to make it appear there's more support for war than there actually is . . .

 

[A Desert Rose]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Goering on war

I see it as being very relevant to Bush's America, and unfortunately Blair's UK...

We're all being drawn into a war which has no truly valid basis, by politicians who are using the Goering technique...

Or do you think that the whole 'change of regime' thing is a massive game of bluff?

At the moment George has lost his direction but that constant "Saadam is baaaad! Weapons of maaas destruction!" litany has a hypnotic effect on many people...

And if we are to believe the polls, the majority of people...

ppman

When Sadaam finances a flying tour into Buckingham Palace, give me a call. I will be anxious to hear your change of heart.

Of course, that won't happen. Britain is no sleeping giant. What is to be gained in fame by injuring you?

 

[p_p_man]

Don't believe the polls. They're being manipulated

I never do and I agree, they always are...

But in this particular conversation I'm using them as a 'what you see is what you get' example...

Because not everyone thinks like thee and me...



ppman