"Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid"

JazzManJim

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Have any of you brainy/metaphysical types out there read this book?

For those of you who have not, it was written by Douglas Hofstadter who has gone on to head the Department of Cognitive Science at the University of Indiana (I believe). The book won the Pulitzer Prize and was written in 1979. It is still in print and was even reissued a couple of years ago on it's 20th Anniversary.

The book tackles an interesting question: Can we build a machine that thinks like the human brain does? To answer this question (though I don't believe he actually does), he uses the phenomenon of paradox to outline the essential difference between human thought and computerized "thought" (namely that computers don't handle paradox well, if at all).

To do this, he introduces us to three people: German mathemetician Kurt Godel, composer and master musician Johann Sebastian Bach, and artist M. C. Escher. Each of them in their own ways played havoc with paradoxes in their various fields.

Hofstadter is both playful in his presentation (featuring a running dialogue based on a Lewis Carroll writing) and rock-solid scientific. His mind is brilliant and very active and both of those qualities show through very apparently.

Lastly, this is one of the few books I've ever read which always causes me to think very hard each time I read it. It's worth your time.

And for those of you who have read it, what did you think of it?
 
I read it 5-6 years ago, and pretty much agree with what you said. The problem I had was that I occasionally had to put it aside for a few days, and when I got back to it I had to "re-remember" a lot of the formula stuff. That doesn't come to me intuitively, so it was frustrating in that respect, though if you really stick with it you should be able to understand him. (By the way, I'm not sure Hofstadter knew the answer 25 years ago and may not know today. It's a tough problem.)

It's certainly a one-of-a-kind book. Hofstadter has a longstanding interest in wordplay. Most scientists just can't write like that.
 
There's a guy out there I've seen in my recent reading that has a program that is on the verge of thinking. They just keep feeding it facts. It asks and answers questions as well as learns now.
 
You know I've been racking what's left of my brain and I'm thinking SciAm, but I give my copies to a family that home-schools when I'm done with them.

It might be at SciAm.com (I think that's it), I'm not sure. I'm about to go to my workout, so it might come to me yet...

adios.
 
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