God damned mother-fuckers! (venting in process)

[Frimost]

God damn this story pisses me off, fucking animal-rights radicals! I like animals too but this shit GOES WAY TO FAR!!!!!!!!!!

The exposition (so you know the background)

WHAT PISSED ME OFF!

 

[mig]

Why should it?.

If people go in the water where there are sharks,knowing that
they're there,why are you surprised when the shark does what
sharks do?.

 

[Liontamr]

Gail Dodd, of the Smokey Bay General Store, said: "Some people think it should be killed, others, like myself, think when you enter the water, you enter the food chain and that's the risk you take."

Can't say it any better myself...

I'm the farthest thing from an animal activist, but since when do humans have the right to go "kill it" out of revenge and fear. Can you imagine if all of a sudden it was ok for humans to kill other humans because "they look big and threatning?"

 

[scylis]

Gail Dodd, of the Smokey Bay General Store, said: "Some people think it should be killed, others, like myself, think when you enter the water, you enter the food chain and that's the risk you take."

Can't say it any better myself...

I'm the farthest thing from an animal activist, but since when do humans have the right to go "kill it" out of revenge and fear. Can you imagine if all of a sudden it was ok for humans to kill other humans because "they look big and threatning?"

[sarcasm]Frimost looks "big and threatning" to me! let's kill him![/sarcasm]

 

[Willing and Unsure]

[sarcasm]Frimost looks "big and threatning" to me! let's kill him![/sarcasm]

you just want an excuse to kill someone today

 

[Marxist]

So what did the shark do wrong or out of character in its own natural environment?






Frimost needs time to think before posting stupid threads.

 

[sexy-girl]

would you kill a lion if a guy went jogging through its territory and got killed ... its the same for sharks ... people just need to be more aware of their territory

 

[Horny Hippie Girl]

I agree that if you put yourself in the line of fire, then don't be surprised when you get burned. If you know there are sharks in the water, don't go for a fucking swim, unless you have a death wish. I am not saying that we should all be running scared of every predator we encounter, just use common sense and caution. Come on people, its not rocket science!

 

[sunstruck]

Why spend the time and money it would take to find this specific shark just for grabbing a free meal? That's what preditors DO. Killing it isn't justice, it's vengence and it's a waste of time and taxes.

 

[kotori]

Goddamn, this could be a "Capital Punishment" thread.

 

[Rex1960]

God damn this story pisses me off, fucking animal-rights radicals! I like animals too but this shit GOES WAY TO FAR!!!!!!!!!!

i like posters but what you've posted goes too far !!

animal-rights or human-rights has nothing to do with this...
maybe just this lil sentence: every human has the right to leave the animals alone in their natural environment

stay away from places you shouldn't be - something might kill ya there

and if you can't handle the big things why don't you start with those smaller ones... lets say mosquitos...

so come back to reality Frimost - its scary out there isn't it

Rex

 

[Frimost]

I'm not shocked by the shark but by the people

mig:

If people go in the water where there are sharks,knowing that why are you surprised when the shark does what
sharks do?.

I am not, the difference is they know who the specific shark is that did it. I am not surprised that it happenes once in awhile though if that's what you are implying.

 

[Frimost]

huh?

Liontamr_77

People who do kill other people are given the death penalty!

but since when do humans have the right to go "kill it" out of revenge and fear.

We have ALWAYS had the right-NO DUTY to kill to protect one another from a animal that has killed one of our own and will likely do so again at some point unless stopped. THAT is why civilization was started to begin with, for security, mutual; protection, if we ignore our obligations to protect one another and help fellow mankind from dangerous animals and people THEN WTF DO WAS HAVE A SOCIETY YO BEGIN WITH? Why don't we just live like Somalia where the strong rule the weak and anyone can do anything they want (including raping, pillaging, and murder) then?

 

[Frimost]

So what did the shark do wrong or out of character in its own natural environment?

No, I don't blame the shark for doing it but the people for doing nothing about it, do you get what I am saying yet?

The sharks character is to kill, it is OUR character to protect one another by killing it. The Shark's natural reaction is to feed, we however have empathy for the suffering of others and higher ideal such as justice and the foresight to know that if it did it once it can easily do so again. Therefore, it is our duty as a society to ensure the protection of one another and feel for the pain of others, IOW-"Treat one another as you wish to be treated". When a society cares for the welfare of a animal more than for the lives of it's fellow citizens than it has become decadent and should no longer exist because it is incurring no benefit to its people.

 

[sunstruck]

Re: huh?

Liontamr_77

People who do kill other people are given the death penalty!



We have ALWAYS had the right-NO DUTY to kill to protect one another from a animal that has killed one of our own and will likely do so again at some point unless stopped. THAT is why civilization was started to begin with, for security, mutual; protection, if we ignore our obligations to protect one another and help fellow mankind from dangerous animals and people THEN WTF DO WAS HAVE A SOCIETY YO BEGIN WITH? Why don't we just live like Somalia where the strong rule the weak and anyone can do anything they want (including raping, pillaging, and murder) then?

ok, one word: VALIUM

you need..........to relax. It's a fish, I'm thinking smart people can easily avoid not being eaten by fish. Now go fry yourself a nice piece to sole and feel better. You can even laugh maniacally while you eat it.

 

[weed]

Sounds like that shark has successfully claimed its territory.

Maybe we humans aren't the most cunning of the animal kingdom

 

[Frimost]

sexy-girl

would you kill a lion if a guy went jogging through its territory and got killed ... its the same for sharks ... people just need to be more aware of their territory

Yes, I would. Woulden't you want the lion killed if it was YOUR son, daughter, brother, sister, father, or mother who it brutally ripped open with it's claws and ate alive in a horrible and agonizing death?

Yes, people should be more aware of their surronding, no argument in that.

The only case I am not for killing the animal is if the person attacks it and the animal kills it in a case of DIRECT self-defense.

BTW-Lions ARE killed that eat people. Once they kill a man or woman they get a taste for human flesh and begin preying on humans once they lose that initial fear of us.

 

[Frimost]

sunstruck

Why spend the time and money it would take to find this specific shark just for grabbing a free meal? That's what preditors DO. Killing it isn't justice, it's vengence and it's a waste of time and taxes.

The problem with you is that you have no idea what the heck you are talking about. Sharks on a whole DO NOT kill people. It is VERY rare for a shark to eat someone, they usually just spit them out after the first bite. This one is different, it is like the Lion of Tasavo, it is an aberration, a statistical anomaly.

Killing it IS justice, if it was your sibling or family member that it ate alive and killed right in front of your own eyes wouldn't you want it put-down if they knew which shark did it? Imagine it was your g/f or wife that it happened too on some honeymoon vacation to a tropical paradise. Imagine you are there with here snorkling in the reefs and you got to watch her violently butchered by a shark with your own eyes? HAVE EMPATHY for your fellow man, put yourself in their shoes! Its all part of the "treat others as you would be treated" creed.

People are easy to kill and once an animal gets over its initial fear of us chasing chubby swimmers is going to get a hell of allot easier than chasing speeding fish the size of your hand. We have allot more calories per mean than a salmon and are easier to catch, now that the precedent has been set in this sharks mind it will do so again unless killed.

 

[Frimost]

Rex1960

Rex, I have no idea what the hell you are talking about here.

God (or evolution) gave us intelligence, free will, and the two feet to go wherever we want! We have every right to go wherever we wish and wherever our free will and curiosity takes us.

 

[sunstruck]

Re: sunstruck

The problem with you is that you have no idea what the heck you are talking about. Sharks on a whole DO NOT kill people. It is VERY rare for a shark to eat someone, they usually just spit them out after the first bite. This one is different, it is like the Lion of Tasavo, it is an aberration, a statistical anomaly.

Killing it IS justice, if it was your sibling or family member that it ate alive and killed right in front of your own eyes wouldn't you want it put-down if they knew which shark did it? Imagine it was your g/f or wife that it happened too on some honeymoon vacation to a tropical paradise. Imagine you are there with here snorkling in the reefs and you got to watch her violently butchered by a shark with your own eyes? HAVE EMPATHY for your fellow man, put yourself in their shoes! Its all part of the "treat others as you would be treated" creed.

People are easy to kill and once an animal gets over its initial fear of us chasing chubby swimmers is going to get a hell of allot easier than chasing speeding fish the size of your hand. We have allot more calories per mean than a salmon and are easier to catch, now that the precedent has been set in this sharks mind it will do so again unless killed.

Actually my uncle was swallowed by a whale. We caught the beast and sold it to sea world. Uncle Jonah always was fond of crowds.

Look, would I WANT it, probably, would I EXPECT it, no. If the animal is a real problem, swimming in close to shore, snagging tourists by the ankels, that's one thing. But if you're out swimming in what are known as eel in - I mean shark infested waters then you're taking the risk. Your choice. If some idiot sticks his hand THROUGH my fence and my dog bites him, the law says I'm not responsible and neither is the dog. Same thing. keep your fingers out of Jabber's fence.

 

[lobito]

If I'm in the water, I expect to be careful about what might be around me. If I'm in the jungle, or whever else lions might be, I'd expect to ahve to be careful. I'm in their territory, not mine. They have a right to defend what's theirs.

 

[Rex1960]

No, I don't blame the shark for doing it but the people for doing nothing about it, do you get what I am saying yet?
The sharks character is to kill, it is OUR character to protect one another by killing it. The Shark's natural reaction is to feed, we however have empathy for the suffering of others and higher ideal such as justice and the foresight to know that if it did it once it can easily do so again. Therefore, it is our duty as a society to ensure the protection of one another and feel for the pain of others, IOW-"Treat one another as you wish to be treated". When a society cares for the welfare of a animal more than for the lives of it's fellow citizens than it has become decadent and should no longer exist because it is incurring no benefit to its people.

now don't get me wrong - i am NOT an animal-right warrior
but this kinda ignorance is way too much for me.

Just because sharks (or any other animal) can't type a "no trespassing" sign means we can jump into their home ??
Just because you don't need a passport for their "country" means you can go there whenever you like without asking ??

If someone attacks you, if someone brakes into your house, if someone comes too close to your loved-ones, you have the right to protect yourself, your family, your property.
Thats not civilization, thats a natural law.

Just because there is no "natural" supreme-court doesnt mean you can treat them like they have no rights.

Just because it was a human that did something wrong makes it different ? I don't think so.

Rex

 

[Liontamr]

Re: huh?

People who do kill other people are given the death penalty!

Not everywhere.. Canada doesn't, and - correct me if I am wrong - there are fewer states that do have the death penalty than there are that don't.

And even in those states where killing is punishable by death, it has to be in an extreme case and is something that is usualy debated for months if not years on a case by case basis.


We have ALWAYS had the right-NO DUTY to kill to protect one another from a animal that has killed one of our own and will likely do so again at some point unless stopped.

I don't feel it's our "duty" to go around killing animals that strike at us. It's our duty to protect ourselves.

These men that were attacked didn't follow through on that duty, and the shark did what came very natural to it.

Just because we walk, can post 'no passing' signs and carry guns, it doesn't give any one any right to kill any living creature... human or not.

And to answer your last question.. I did have a relative that was maimed by a grizzly four years ago and no one in the family was craving for bears blood. You go into the woods, you assume the risk of a bear attack. You go into the jungle, you assume the risk of a lion attack.

You go into the water, you assume the risk of a shark attack.

 

[Frimost]

Egh!

Modern "civilized" man is NO naive and ignorant of his roots! Ugh, save me from them!

Guess what jack (directed towards several of you).
Lets follow you train of logic and regress in time to earlier days.

So the oceans belong to sharks?

Before Chris Columbus there were NO cities just forests, plains, deserts, swamps, mountains, and tundra.

Ok now

Forests belong to Black bears or grizzly Bears (depending on the area of the US where you live).

The plains belong to the vast packs of Grey wolves who prey on the sick and dying buffalo and other game.

The desert belongs to coyotes, packs of peccaries, and Red Wolves.

The Mountains belong to the Puma's (cougars).

The swamp belongs to the Alligator or crocodile if you live on the Southern tip of florida.

The tundra of course belongs to the Polar bear...

Where do we fit in then?

NO WHERE by that train of logic?

Why don't we just all commit mass suicide then because apparently we have no natural habitat according to many of you.

Get it yet?

We are all human, we are all in this shit together, that means we should stick up for one another.

 

[Frimost]

LOL where is their local councillor or representative?

Just because you don't need a passport for their "country" means you can go there whenever you like without asking ??

LOL, LOL! Where do I get my passport?! lol

Are you for REAL!

HA HA!

MW ignorant?! I can't believe you! lol

You apparently think they are organized and capable of higher thoughts such as building underwater communities and nations?!

I have free will, I have every right to wander were I wish just as they have every right to swim wherever they wish to go!
God are you a flake!

They have no more right to that water than any other living creature does.

like they have no rights.

They HAVE NO RIGHTS! The only rights they have are those WE give them and when they kill one of us all bets are off and any protection they had is rescinded! We should respect animals but the only "right" they have are ones we allow them to have. Do you think if sharks were the dominant species they would be so kind?

The Diver was NOT ATTACKING THE SHARK!!! Read the article, he was diving for scallops! Suburban goodie two shoes like yourself are so deluded it is pathetic! You do not know it right now but are most likely incorporated into the marked turf of a coyote (most of us are whether we know it or nor). Does THAT give it the right to go into your back-yard and eat your pet or little kid (which occasionally they will try and do)? Well according to THEM YOU are in THEIR territory! If you live out west their is a slight chance your house is on cougar territory. Does THAT little imaginary line give IT the right to kill and eat YOU! Well according to IT YOU are in IT"S home!

GOD!