"Give the Fans What They Want"

The wisdom you shared in this statement would alleviate the angst from almost all of the gripes snd complaints we see in this forum if we’d all just live by it.
I wish more readers would take that into account as well. Some of them get all worked up over a story to the point they sound offended, but did it cost you anything but time? I could see if you spent a few bucks and were let down, but again, authors here are doing this for the bubble.
 
There's also the factor that your fans first found you for a reason. You're writing something that they want to read. If you can do it once, you can do it again and again, and each time you try something new you'll gather more and more fans - sometimes where you least expect it.

I have 66 published stories here on Lit, ranging from sword & sorcery erotica, brother-sister incest and a variety of different voyeurism situations to more non-standard fare such as Love at First Sight, The Countesses of Tannensdal, Fairytale of New York, Life and Death of the She-Wolf, Upstream, Tammy, Jessica, Yuliya and Into The Night. Different styles, different moods, entirely different themes.

Yet almost every story brings at least one new follower. Could I get more followers by focusing on just a single genre or category? Of course - the most obvious choice being to write more T/I. But it's far more satisfying to write something completely different, and *still* be appreciated. The way I see it, that appreciation is for my skill as a writer, not for satisfying the reader's kinks.

Others might have different standards for measuring their success, but that's mine.
 
Hmm, I have a few thoughts on this.

I started writing here because I wasn't finding enough stories with just the right sort of tone I enjoy. So essentially I'm writing for myself.

However, when I read comments, I do it with an open mind. If somebody commented that they didn't like the premise of a story, well then fine, not much I can do about that. On the other hand if there is a comment that suggests how the style of the writing or the flow could be improved, then I give it some serious thought. I may or may not always agree, but I give it some thought.

That said, the more my stories start taking on consistent themes (redemption, growth or acceptance), then I feel a certain obligation to the (very) small group of people who have chosen to follow me, as they will have come to expect a certain style of story. The story I'm currently working on has certainly got me thinking about this topic, because whilst it is a story of redemption, there are parts of it that certainly don't align with my previous writings.

Long story short, I think you should only write what makes you happy, and hope others come along for the ride.
 
Are they my fans? In the sense that I chose them? No, it is the other way round; they chose me as a favorite author. They are a very mixed bag, so giving them all what they want is difficult. I can only guess what they want. If I get one valuable feedback for 10000 views, then what do the other 9999 want? I can only guess. Ultimately I must decide by myself: Do I want to serve hot dogs to a huge crowd, or shall I go for fine dining, which requires my customers (readers) to invest?

So BurgerDing has a bigger fan base than Noma. But I'd rather cook at Noma's.

And I very much agree with @Yogma: I (try to) write the stories I would like to find on Literotica.

(https://www.visitdenmark.com/denmark/things-do/danish-food/restaurant-noma)
 
I don't write to do a better job of pleasing the people who comment negatively, but I do write in part to keep getting better to increase the fan base.
That's probably a good attitude to have, but I don't think it's accurate, not for Literotica at least.
 
Food for thought from something I read elsewhere. Not a position I am necessarily advocating, but I am interested in other's thoughts.

It is pointless for a creator (in any medium) to try to give the fans what they want, because the real fans enjoy what they are getting and aren't the ones making suggestions for changes.
This is only a winning strategy if you are writing commercially. Even then it has its weaknesses. If you are writing for free, then write for yourself.

Of course positive feedback and high ratings are lovely. I’m as flattered by both as anyone else. But I think you can write for yourself and still do OK.

This hobby is meant to be fun. I can’t think of a better way to kill the fun than feeling you have to meet some nebulous audience’s expectations. And the idea of constantly serving up essentially the same tired storyline is 😱.
 
And the idea of constantly serving up essentially the same tired storyline is 😱.
Same storyline, same style, same genre, same anything - with the whole of our imagination to draw on, and the entire world to inspire us, why should we deliberately limit ourselves?
 
Same storyline, same style, same genre, same anything - with the whole of our imagination to draw on, and the entire world to inspire us, why should we deliberately limit ourselves?
I enjoy writing established characters, but try to place them in some different situation, or a in a different genre of story, or using a different writing style.
 
I agree with the general consensus, which seems to be "write the story you want to tell and let the chips/fans fall where they may."

I'll also add that fans aren't a monolith and likely have diverse reasons why they follow a writer or favorite a story. Except for readers who tell us in the comments, we really have no idea WHAT fans want.

If I post a story called "Back to the Future," different readers might have the following reactions:

SF/F reader
  • Loved the whole flux capacitor concept. Would love more details in the sequel!
  • Stopped reading at JIG-a-watts. Don't bother with part 2. You suck.

T/I reader
  • The scene with Marty in his mom's bedroom started off promising then fizzled. Hope you circle back to it in the sequel.

GM
  • We get it. Biff is only torturing George because he can't express his unresolved desires. Enough with the slow burn. Pick up the pace in part 2.

Romance
  • Marty and Jennifer are so sweet together. Can't wait for a deep dive into their relationship (and marriage!) in part 2.

LW
  • Marty's mom tried to cheat on her husband with her own son. Doesn't matter if it happened before they were married. In part 2, Marty should use the DeLorean to drop her off in Pompeii.

Fetish
  • The scene with Marty standing on George's bed in the yellow radiation suit? Fire. More of that!

I realize the examples above are more about "giving fans what they expect in a genre" than "giving fans what [we think] they want," but even within a specific genre, I think fans are still going to have a relatively diverse set of wants. Best to write what you want, and let it resonate with those who feel similarly.
 
I enjoy writing established characters, but try to place them in some different situation, or a in a different genre of story, or using a different writing style.
I have a few established characters too, and I enjoy reusing them. Avilia and Sligh from "The Rivals" because I haven't nearly finished telling all the sword & sorcery stories I want. Allie from "The Code", "Flesh For A Third Fantasy" and "While She Watches Them" because she's a convenient character to drop into a variety of sexy situations. Generic Hot Redhead, because everyone loves a hot redhead.

But the same characters doesn't mean the same stories. And I'm not saying that every story I write is going to be totally unique. I enjoy sword & sorcery, so that imposes some limits on what I write and how. But that's a choice when I write that genre, and my recurring characters. If I don't feel like being limited in that way, I'll write something different and try something new.

Like you mentioned upthread, nothing is likely to kill the enthusiasm for the hobby faster than stifling your own creativity. Likewise, I think that readers will notice the passion that a writer brings to a story that they really want to write.
 
Hmm, I have a few thoughts on this.

I started writing here because I wasn't finding enough stories with just the right sort of tone I enjoy. So essentially I'm writing for myself.

However, when I read comments, I do it with an open mind. If somebody commented that they didn't like the premise of a story, well then fine, not much I can do about that. On the other hand if there is a comment that suggests how the style of the writing or the flow could be improved, then I give it some serious thought. I may or may not always agree, but I give it some thought.

That said, the more my stories start taking on consistent themes (redemption, growth or acceptance), then I feel a certain obligation to the (very) small group of people who have chosen to follow me, as they will have come to expect a certain style of story. The story I'm currently working on has certainly got me thinking about this topic, because whilst it is a story of redemption, there are parts of it that certainly don't align with my previous writings.

Long story short, I think you should only write what makes you happy, and hope others come along for the ride.


Great point, we should consider reader feedback, but we aren't beholden to it.
 
I just went through all your comments on this story. I am amazed at how bent out of shape some people got. Why were they reading a Taboo story in the first place?
I've mentioned Nathanael West's concept of "excited disgust" (see The Day of the Locust). People are sometimes fascinated with something (it could be incest, as in this case) but they are ashamed to admit it, even to themselves. They put on a show of disapproval but they often give themselves away by continuing to seek more materials about it. There's a fair amount of that on this site.
 
If I asked them what they wanted, they would have asked for faster horses.

So said Mr Ford. (Supposedly, I wasn’t there.)
Actually they would have asked for better streetcars. Some truth to that even today. Only 4% of Americans use transit regularly, but 84% of them support more funding of it. It's a good thing, I suppose they think, but for other people mostly.

https://i0.wp.com/www.thetransportp...7/11/Toronto-traffic.png?resize=768,429&ssl=1

Toronto actually, but Canadians can lie to themselves too.
 
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Actually they would have asked for better streetcars. Some truth to that even today. Only 4% of Americans use transit regularly, but 84% of them support more funding of it. It's a good thing, I suppose they think, but for other people mostly.

https://i0.wp.com/www.thetransportp...7/11/Toronto-traffic.png?resize=768,429&ssl=1

Toronto actually, but Canadians can lie to themselves too.

I'm a huge fan of mass transit.
More people on the bus means less traffic for me to deal with.
 
I'm a huge fan of mass transit.
More people on the bus means less traffic for me to deal with.
I don't even have a car now. If I could afford it, I'd take a taxi or Uber a lot. At my age, I can't walk that well. We have subways, but only about one station in four or five is ADA accessible. I can climb stairs but it's very difficult to go down them. They'll get to them all long after I'm gone.

Walker or wheelchair? Too bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_...ion#/media/File:West_Farms_Sq_IRT_sta_jeh.JPG
 
One of the biggest mistakes people make in these general conversations is to assume that "what the fans want" equals "the opposite of what the critics complain about." It's not true. It's natural human psychology to notice the bad over the good, and I see that all the time in these threads. People get one bad comment and nine good ones and they obsess about what's wrong with their story and how to handle the criticism. That's the wrong lesson. It's a cognitive error. Read comments more discerningly, and you'll find that there IS good advice that can be teased out of them that can be useful to you as a writer. It's not a simple choice of "write for yourself" versus "write for the fans." Write for the GOOD fans (or at least, write without wholly disregarding them), not just the ones who slavishly love what you do, but the ones who are worth paying attention to, including some who may criticize what you do but do so with good reason. If you think about your fan base this way, then the gap between what you want and what they want narrows to a point that you can work to bridge the gap without compromising your artistic principles.
 
Nevermind "real fans," I'm a bit amazed this hasn't devolved into debates about "real creators."
 
I don't even have a car now. If I could afford it, I'd take a taxi or Uber a lot. At my age, I can't walk that well. We have subways, but only about one station in four or five is ADA accessible. I can climb stairs but it's very difficult to go down them. They'll get to them all long after I'm gone.

Walker or wheelchair? Too bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Farms_Square–East_Tremont_Avenue_station#/media/File:West_Farms_Sq_IRT_sta_jeh.JPG
I wasn't looking for pity. Just trying to say that mass transit has become tiresome to use and the costs of new rail lines in places like Phoenix make them boondoggles. Why, in fact, only 4% of Americans use it.

Last streetcars in Phoenix - first generation, in other words, operated by a private company. 1948.

https://www.azcentral.com/gcdn/pres...660&height=409&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp
 
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