Girls Gone Wild

[sweetnpetite]

What do you honestly think about this franchise?

 

[thenry]

I once knew someone working for the relatively upstanding lawfirm defending them. The men themselves are apparently some of the most shameless alive, filming or paying anyone willing to show some skin and relying on their lawyers to defend their mistakes through Constitutionality. They have yet to be successfully prosecuted for two reasons: the girls all perform willingly and they never touch the filmakers in front of the camera. Say what you want about what is done to the images afterwards, in that original moment it is still the girl lifting her own shirt. The franchise thrives not on the aspect of selling pornography but the titillation of exhibitionism that gives it to them in the first place.

I live in New Orleans and it is no secret that every fourth man on bourbon street has a video camera. How many of those are freelance photographers is not known, no one flashes anymore without being caught in at least three lenses. Most of the tourists, and they are all tourists, have already made up their minds to be "wild" and never give it another thought.

 

[Liar]

There is a lot to be said about ethics. Or, you know, the lack of it. I don't know much about the practice behind those GGW things, and correct me if I'm wrong, but these are videos sold of roaring drunk girls aping out in front of a camera, often not knowing where their aping out will end up.

When making adult material of this kind, there should be some simple rules:
1. Open cards. "Yes, I am a porn photographer, and yes, this will be sold to guys as wanking material."
2. Signed approval. "Ok now. I've got this on camera. Can I use it? Good, here's the contract."

Simple enough, right? Then when sued, produce contracts. If you can't, go bend over in state prison.

(Ok, then there is the whole "I was so sloshed I had no idea what I was signing" debacle. Then don't get sloshed. I can't think of everything.)

#L

ps. Ethics aside, they still make a crappy product.

 

[destinie21]

I haven't seen the tapes or whatever but I don't get what's so all fire hot about women flashing or having drunken groping encounters. At the very least if I'm in the mood to watch two woman making out on tape my top pick wouldn't be the drunken soroity girl type any how (which is what they show on the promos)

 

[NoJo]

Damn.

Never heard of that show over here. I thought for a minute this thread was where I could see girls going wild.

 

[bridgeburner]

I haven't seen any of these videos, nor am I informed about what kind of lawsuits are being filed --- I assume there's been some kind of "kiddie porn" suit brought since nobody is checking ID's on these girls.

The long and the short of it for me is that if you don't want people to see you drunk and naked and acting like an ass maybe you shoudn't get so drunk that you get naked and act like an ass.

You don't have the right to be protected from your own bad behavior.


-B

 

[Liar]

Joe, you should know that if you wait long enough, any thread here will feature that.

 

[PorscheLynn]

Don't worry Joe, you're not missing much.

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I haven't got much to add on the actual ethical side of the conversation.... but I did read an article somewhere by a girl that they filmed. She said that they got her pretty drunk and pushed her into flashing. I think she made stupid decisions to let herself get into a situation to get manipulated like that, but it DOES sound like they do everything they can to manipulate girls into showing off. Sheesh.

Edited to add: as I hear it, part of why some of them got as drunk as they did is that the guys at GGW did stuff like "here, have some punch... it just has some beer in it." and it really had vodka or whatever. If they're young and not used to alcohol and a bit drunk to begin with, it's pretty easy to be tricked by that. I still think it's stupid to let oneself get in that situation, but on the other hand it is a bit different than if the girls went out and intentionally drank that much vodka. I'm sure some of them did, some of them were simply that drunk and stupid when the GGW guys found them... but I just think it's hardly fair to imply that it's entirely ok for people to be taken advantage of when they're drunk, especially if they were taken advantage of to get them that drunk in the first place.

I guess I had something to say after all. I'm feeling a bit ramblesome today.

 

[RenzaJones]

Don't worry Joe, you're not missing much.

http://machall.com/index.php?strip_id=123


I haven't got much to add on the actual ethical side of the conversation.... but I did read an article somewhere by a girl that they filmed. She said that they got her pretty drunk and pushed her into flashing. I think she made stupid decisions to let herself get into a situation to get manipulated like that, but it DOES sound like they do everything they can to manipulate girls into showing off. Sheesh.

I'd like to know how someone "gets you drunk" If they slip you a micky ok it's different but there's always that point when you realize "Yep one more drink and there's a chance I might wake up pantsless in a mexican brothel." At that point you should call it a night or at least call a friend who won't let you be a total jackass.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I've seen their ads on TV but I would never, under any circumstances, ever buy one of the tapes. It's mostly just a bunch of rather pretty young women showing off their tits. That's okay but it's not much for wanking material and certainly not worth paying for when I can get better for free on a lot of internet sites.

I also doubt if the people making the tapes are very ethical and they might not tell the women the tapes will be sold to the public. I think they are actually required to get permission of the persons on the tapes unless it is a news event or something like that.

As for whether or not laws are being broken, they probably are, if the videotapers give the women alcohol. I'm sure some of them are under 21 and some might even be under 18.

 

[PorscheLynn]

I'd like to know how someone "gets you drunk" If they slip you a micky ok it's different but there's always that point when you realize "Yep one more drink and there's a chance I might wake up pantsless in a mexican brothel." At that point you should call it a night or at least call a friend who won't let you be a total jackass.

I edited to explain what I meant... again, I don't think that's really a significant excuse, but if you've never or rarely had anything to drink before I can see how you could be tricked into getting drunker than you meant to. And I just think it's a little bit different if some one takes advantage of their naiveté to make it more likely they make a bad decision than if the they just make the bad decision all on their own. Not a big difference, but a difference worth mentioning if we're nitpicking.

 

[RenzaJones]

I edited to explain what I meant... again, I don't think that's really a significant excuse, but if you've never or rarely had anything to drink before I can see how you could be tricked into getting drunker than you meant to. And I just think it's a little bit different if some one takes advantage of their naiveté to make it more likely they make a bad decision than if the they just make the bad decision all on their own. Not a big difference, but a difference worth mentioning if we're nitpicking.

lol I'm just a skeptic that's all I figure mostly the girls get a shot of guilt/panic/fear the next day or moth or whatever. I've been drunk before and even before I started really partying I was self aware you can feel your control ebbing.

 

[rgraham666]

In a simple phrase, quite boring.

 

[RenzaJones]

lol I couldn't stop myself

 

[bridgeburner]

If you're underage and you're drinking you're breaking the law. You know it regardless of whether anyone who offers you a drink knows it.

If you're of legal drinking age and you're out wandering around like a moron, drunk in a town you don't know surrounded by strangers and the worst thing that happens to you is that you act like an ass and end up flashing your tits on video then I would say it's a lesson learned in the least damaging manner possible. Plenty of women end up raped and dead in similar situations.

Pressuring women to get drunk and embarass themselves is an assholely thing to do, but it isn't a crime. These women aren't being raped or assaulted. Maybe from here on out they'll learn to drink more responsibly.


-B

 

[ABSTRUSE]

What do you honestly think about this franchise?

I think it demeans women. It sets us back and adds to the struggle to be taken seriously. It also gives men the idea that this is what women do when they get drunk and there could be serious consequences from that.
There are more respectable ways to show the beauty of being a woman than to cheapen yourself.
Just my opinion.
~A~

 

[Boota]

I know one of the lawsuits they have fought, or may be still fighting, is the fact that they don't issue model release forms to every girl in their videos. They get around this because most of the flashing occurs in public and there is no expectation of privacy. The girls who sue are their own worst witnesses, once they get the video into court and everyone sees them playing to the camera.

While I don't think it's necessarily right that the producers of these videos do these things, I couldn't rule against them if I were a judge or on a jury. No one has ever made a girl flash in a GGW video at gunpoint.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

While I don't think it's necessarily right that the producers of these videos do these things, I couldn't rule against them if I were a judge or on a jury. No one has ever made a girl flash in a GGW video at gunpoint.

Good point Boota.

 

[Guest]

They ask all the girls their age, and if they know what GGW is. Then they ask if they can use the footage. That in most states does constitute a model release.

Palm Beach county in Florida cracked down on the producers this years. Only issuing licenses for them to film in certain areas.

In one state a court decided that the filming of girls who weren't 18 yet was not illegal, because not sexual contact was made.

 

[KinkySprite]

I agree with the majority-- that it is over-rated and sleezy.

 

[Wildcard Ky]

I've never seen any of the videos, but I don't think I would rule against them in a position of judgment. People have to be responsible for their own actions. Someone said in this thread that the videos demean women. I have to disagree with that. The women are the ones demeaning themselves. There is a camera in front of them and they CHOOSE to lift their shirt or whatever.

Our society seems so geared towards finding someone or something else to be at fault. What ever happened to being responsible for your own actions? These girls willingly flash, then want to sue over it later. It was the guy with the cameras fault, it was the crowds fault, it was everyones fault but their own.

 

[bridgeburner]

Exactly.

 

[lewdandlicentious]

Haven't got a clue what this thread is about, just wanted to put my name on it!!!!!