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Sean Renaud said:
Thousands of years? As you pointed out there are gross differences between say socialist Europeans (negative birth rate right now with no singularity, and a need to import labor), Americans (with a barely stable population if you ignore immigration) and the third world such as Mexico or most of Africa.

Hell just within America can you can look at the breeding habits of the rich vs the middle class vs the poor. Or if you want to look historically how many siblings did your grand parents have? I know my grandfather was the the sixth of nine. A modern family with nine kids? Shit you damn near get a television show for that kind of insanity!

As you pointed out with the coyotes, all it took to adjust the liter size was to stop poisoning them all the fucking time and immediately they reacted. And we have condoms, birth control pills, whatever magical singularity I don't want to get anybody pregnant/I don't to be pregnant stuff comes up and abortions. I'm pretty sure, based on what I learned from you in the past that over population because of the Singularity isn't a primary issue.
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Understood, and the primary reason the Coyote Theory works today.

What you're not getting is the factoring in of the virtual population to come up with a total population. If the virtuals are considered, for all intents and purposes, sentient then they have to be included in the cumulative total. And the virtual population will grow, and add to, the real population at effectively the same rate. And if they are to be consider sentient then they are going to be consuming resources. Not the same sort of resources but resources all the same and some of those resources are going to be common to both groups. This is going to put a lot of pressure on the infrastructure and environment.

A lot of that is going to be dependent on how future generations handle the virtuals. Perhaps they might be stored in the form of an archive. Ole great-great-grandpappy had a skill that an ancestor might want to access. So they load ole g-g-g up and have a session with him. When the session is over ole g-g-g goes back into the archive along with all of the neural changes that took place as a result of the session. (Have to do that unless you want to get into a Ground Hog Day loop.) Pretty damn powerful tool to have at one's disposal.

And even the archival method will have it's own issues. The family that maintains a complete archive will have a decided advantage over those that don't. The metric that determines the haves from the have nots will change dramatically. Not to mention the fact that the soon to be virtual (biologically dead) individual will be able to bequeath themselves to whomever member of the family they so choose which is going to precipitate some very strange legal battles over wills.

Brave new world indeed.

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
Understood, and the primary reason the Coyote Theory works today.

What you're not getting is the factoring in of the virtual population to come up with a total population. If the virtuals are considered, for all intents and purposes, sentient then they have to be included in the cumulative total. And the virtual population will grow, and add to, the real population at effectively the same rate. And if they are to be consider sentient then they are going to be consuming resources. Not the same sort of resources but resources all the same and some of those resources are going to be common to both groups. This is going to put a lot of pressure on the infrastructure and environment.

A lot of that is going to be dependent on how future generations handle the virtuals. Perhaps they might be stored in the form of an archive. Ole great-great-grandpappy had a skill that an ancestor might want to access. So they load ole g-g-g up and have a session with him. When the session is over ole g-g-g goes back into the archive along with all of the neural changes that took place as a result of the session. (Have to do that unless you want to get into a Ground Hog Day loop.) Pretty damn powerful tool to have at one's disposal.

And even the archival method will have it's own issues. The family that maintains a complete archive will have a decided advantage over those that don't. The metric that determines the haves from the have nots will change dramatically. Not to mention the fact that the soon to be virtual (biologically dead) individual will be able to bequeath themselves to whomever member of the family they so choose which is going to precipitate some very strange legal battles over wills.

Brave new world indeed.

Ishmael
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Did you read that back before you hit "submit"?

You're starting to sound like Eeyore.
 
Sean Renaud said:
Thousands of years? As you pointed out there are gross differences between say socialist Europeans (negative birth rate right now with no singularity, and a need to import labor), Americans (with a barely stable population if you ignore immigration) and the third world such as Mexico or most of Africa.
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The birth rate in Mexico is only slightly above replacement level now, and it's still falling.
 
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