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Japan was working on its own atomic bomb when the United States dropped atomic bombs on two Japanese cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August 1945.
The U.S. Navy captured a German submarine in 1945, bound for Japan, with a cargo that included uranium oxide, a key ingredient for atomic bombs. A 1995 story from the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported this historical discovery.

Did the Nazis inadvertently fuel U.S. atom bombs?

By William J. Broad
The Nazi submarine U-234, which surrendered to U.S. forces in May 1945, was found to be carrying a diverse cargo bound for Tokyo as part of a secretive exchange of war materiel between Hitler and Hirohito.

The payload represented the pride of German technology and included parts and blueprints for proximity fuzes, antiaircraft shells, jet planes and chemical rockets.

But nothing the U-234 concealed in its warrens was more surprising than 10 containers filled with 1,200 pounds of uranium oxide, a basic material of atomic bombs. Up to then, the Allies suspected that both Nazi Germany and imperial Japan had nuclear progr ams but considered them rudimentary and isolated.

Historians have quietly puzzled over that uranium shipment for years, wondering, among other things, what the U.S. military did with it. Little headway was made because of federal secrecy.

Now, however, a former official of the Manhattan Project, John Lansdale Jr., says that the uranium went into the mix of raw materials used for making the world's first atom bombs. At the time he was an Army lieutenant colonel for intelligence and security for the atom bomb project. One of his main jobs was tracking uranium.

Lansdale's assertion in an interview raises the possibility that the American weapons that leveled the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki contained at least some nuclear material originally destined for Japan's own atomic program and perhaps for attacks on the United States.

If confirmed, that twist of history could add a layer to the already complex debate over whether the United States had any moral justification for using its atom bombs against Japan.

A pivotal question that surrounds the episode is whether the three months between the U-234's surrender in May 1945 and the dropping of the U.S. bombs in August 1945 left the Manhattan Project's bomb builders enough time to incorporate the captured uranium.

Another is whether President Harry Truman, who authorized the atomic bombing of Japan, knew of the U-234's radioactive cargo.

At least a dozen historians, journalists and nuclear experts around the world are now at work on this and related mysteries surrounding the U-234, going through newly declassified documents and interviewing aging former members of the German and Japanese militaries and participants in the Manhattan Project.

"There's no question they were hurting for uranium," Stanley Goldberg, a science historian in Washington who is writing a book on the Manhattan Project, said of the U.S. bomb venture. "They scraped the bottom of the barrel. They came to within an inch of not having enough material for a uranium bomb."

As to whether the weapons used any of the U-234's uranium, Goldberg, like several historians and nuclear experts, said in an interview that he was unconvinced but intrigued.

Even if none of the submarine's cargo went into the explosive mix, some experts hold, the U-234 episode is important to explore for what it reveals about the Japanese atom bomb program, which has long been clouded in ambiguity.

Peter Zimmerman, a physicist who has studied the issue and advises the defense department, said, "Where it becomes very significant is if it helps demonstrate that the Japanese had a sizable program and that there was close cooperation among the Axis powe rs."

The U-234 left the German port of Kiel on March 25, 1945, bound for Japan on a voyage around the horn of Africa. After Hitler's death a month later, the submarine surrendered to U.S. forces in the north Atlantic and was taken to the U.S. submarine base at Portsmouth, N.H., where reporters watched its arrival on May 19, 1945.

In secrecy the Navy took careful inventory of the submarine's crew and cargo, recording the details in an exhaustive manifest that today is in a public file at the Navy's Operational Archives at its Historical Center in Washington.

The manifest says that the uranium came in 10 cases, weighed 560 kilograms and was transported from Germany as an oxide, which is a handy industrial form refined from raw uranium ore. Kathy Lloyd, an archivist at the center, said in an interview that the Navy had "no paper trail" on where the shipment went after the inventory.

Zimmerman said that amount of uranium oxide would have contained about 3.5 kilograms of the isotope U-235, which is the critical one for making bombs. That 3.5 kilograms, he added, would have been about a fifth of the total U-235 needed to make one bomb.

Among the experts who have tried to track the mysterious shipment is Robert Wilcox, a journalist and author of "Japan's Secret War" (Marlowe & Co.), a book about Tokyo's atom-bomb project. After its publication in 1985 he updated the book for a 1995 editi on coincident with the 50th anniversary of the atomic bombing of Japan.

But Wilcox drew a blank after inspections of hundreds of documents in the National Archives, the repository of papers from the Manhattan Project. "What happened to the uranium?" he asked in the book's 1995 edition. "It's as if the incident had never occur red, as if U-234, its important passengers and cargo had never arrived."

Other experts have drawn similar blanks and concluded that the true story lies hidden in the government's secret files.

But Lansdale, the former official of the Manhattan Project, displayed no doubts in the interview about the fate of the U-234's shipment. "It went to the Manhattan District," he said without hesitation. "It certainly went into the Manhattan District supply of uranium."

Lansdale added that he remembered no details of the uranium's destination in the sprawling bomb-making complex and had no opinion on whether it helped make up the material for the first atomic bomb used in war.

In theory the uranium might have helped fuel the uranium bomb that leveled Hiroshima or the plutonium bomb that was dropped on Nagasaki. In a kind of modern alchemy, plutonium is made by irradiating uranium in a nuclear reactor, turning it from one elemen t into another.

Vilma Hunt, a nuclear expert working on a book about uranium used in the war, has researched the fate of the U-234's shipment for years. She said she had concluded that it went into the Manhattan Project's mix, not based on any positive evidence she had been able to unearth but simply because of the project's great need for weapons material.

"At that time there was a limited amount of uranium oxide available," she said in an interview. "We needed it."

Based on the comments of Lansdale, she added: "You could go as far as saying it was in the stream and would have had a high likelihood that it went into one of the first three bombs. That would have been pushing the system, but that's what they were doing."

The world's first atomic bomb was detonated in the New Mexico desert on July 16, 1945, as a test. Hiroshima was bombed on Aug. 6 and Nagasaki on Aug. 9.

Skip Gosling is chief historian of the federal department of energy, which is the successor agency to the Manhattan Project and is the federal government's authority on making nuclear arms.

In an interview, he said he had long heard rumors that the U-234's shipment ended up at Oak Ridge, Tenn., where the Manhattan Project treated uranium to increase its concentration of the critical U-235 isotope. But he added that he knew of no documentary evidence that bore on the issue and said it would be hard to find such information half a century after the fact.

"My guess is that none of it got in" the atomic bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima, he said. "But I wouldn't bet my farm on that."


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(c) 1995 Fort Worth Star-Telegram
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Watching a History Channel Program, "Dead Men's Secrets" I searched 'German Submarine U-234, 1945" and discovered the above information.

Had you told me...I would not have believed it....

amicus...
 
Einstein's original letter to Truman was written because of information German expatriot scientists had that the Nazi's were already trying to build an atomic bomb. The 'them or us' argument was what gave the Manhattan project such high priority.

Political leaders never have been very keen on listening to scientists unless you can shove their face into the evidence and scare the screaming Jesus out of them.

---dr.M.
 
I was equally fascinating upon watching a previous run of the same special. There was a note in the program about how the crew of U-234 thought there was some kind of mix-up or joke going on when they were loading all the boxes labled U-235. I've always wondered what kind of effect the cargo had on US progress other than the fissionable material. Surely a prototype of the world's first jet must have come in handy, let alone blueprints for the V-weapons.
 
Now that I think of it, didn't the Brits launch a special commando raid to blow up Hitler's heavy water facility? It seems to me that they were in some scandanavian country.

---dr.M.
 
Thanks Thenry, yes, I wondered about the jets too, Me 362 I think...and Werner Von Braun must have been in 7th heaven with the V-2

...and yes Mab...in Norway...that was included in the program and also Peenemunde where they manufactured the A-4 ballistic missiles...and were working on one with a range of 3500 miles...with Sarin gas and a 'dirty bomb' with enriched U-235 mixed with a dispersing agent for New York City...

some of which I had read before...but never about U-234 heading for Japan....that was news to me...

regards....amicus...
 
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amicus said:
Thanks Thenry, yes, I wondered about the jets too, Me 362 I think...and Werner Von Braun must have been in 7th heaven with the V-2

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some of which I had read before...but never about U-234 heading for Japan....that was news to me...

The German Jet fighter was the Me 262 and the rocket fighter was the He 163. Both designs were given to the Japanese long before the U-234 sailed at the end of the war.

The Japanese Atomic Bomb program and it's advanced aircraft programs were essentially non-factors because they were given little or no support of funding from the military or government until far too late for them to have any effect on the war's outcome. They were last-ditch, desperate, efforts to correct a problem caused by a lack of foresight on the part of both Germany and Japan generated by their apparent superiorities at the beginning of the war.

Werner Von Braun designed the V-2 -- which WAS the "A-4 Ballistic Missile."

The "History" channel is turning into the "What If" channel with an emphasis on things that "almost happened" instead of what DID happen.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
Now that I think of it, didn't the Brits launch a special commando raid to blow up Hitler's heavy water facility? It seems to me that they were in some scandanavian country.

---dr.M.

No. The Norwegians did it themselves. They sank the ferry carrying the heavy water even though the ferry was carrying Norwegians as well as Germans. It was a hard call to make.

The factory was destroyed by RAF bombing.

Og
 
oggbashan said:
No. The Norwegians did it themselves. They sank the ferry carrying the heavy water even though the ferry was carrying Norwegians as well as Germans. It was a hard call to make.

The factory was destroyed by RAF bombing.

Og

I thought Richard Harris did it?

Gauche
 
The moral justification for dropping the A-bomb wasn't Japan's possible atomic program. The moral justification came from the casualty lists from Okinowa, Iwo Jima, Siapan, Tinian, Guam and Tarawa.

The japanese had several advanced fighter and bomber designs, but couldn't produce them in quantity and by the time they were realitites and not drawing board items, they didn't have enough trained pilots to make full use of them.

I tend to agree with Og on the what if Channel. The story of Japan's advanced aircraft posed the what if of them attacking the American task force sent to invade Japan. The graphics were neato, but showed them launching from carriers, conviently ignoring the fact Japan didn't have anything larger than a heavy cruiser still operational by that point in the war.

If I recall, the Norwiegans dmaged the heavy water facilities in a commando style raid, but they weren't actually destroyed until the RAF ombed the plant.

-Colly
 
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