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The Kabbalah of Madonna -- ancient Jewish mysticism or New Age mumbo-jumbo?




JERUSALEM (AFP) - Madonna (news - web sites)'s upcoming pilgrimage to Israel for a Kabbalah spiritual retreat has raised questions over the nature of her faith -- has the self-proclaimed Material Girl really embraced the traditions of ancient Jewish mysticism or is this simply the latest glitterati self-help fad?

In a bid to shed something of her former raunchy image, the US pop diva in 1997 began looking into Kabbalah -- or at least a modern version of it -- rapidly becoming one of its most high-profile faces.


Symbols of Madonna's deepening "faith" are readily apparent -- religious Jewish symbols and Hebrew letters feature in many of her more recent pop videos and she is rarely seen without the trademark red string around her wrist to ward off the evil eye.


Two months ago, she changed her name to Esther and is now reportedly observing the Jewish sabbath.


Madonna's conversion came about after she came into contact with the Los Angeles-based Kabbalah Centre which, according to its website, offers a path to spiritual enlightenment through an eclectic mix of Orthodox Jewish tradition, visualisation and positive thinking.


Through meditation on the "cosmic energy" emitted by the Hebrew alphabet, the site says, adherents can gain "inner peace, financial prosperity, power and pleasure", amongst other things.


Despite its obvious Jewish character, this westernised version of Kabbalah has attracted a panopoly of non-Jewish celebrities, such as Britney Spears, Demi Moore, Elizabeth Taylor and Mick Jagger.


And now Madonna's spiritual odyssey looks set to bring her and several thousand others to Israel in mid-September over the Jewish New Year.


Not everyone is happy with Madge's attachment to Jewish mysticism, with religious scholars at pains to point out that this 'popularised' version of Kabbalah is a far cry from the Orthodox spirituality prescribed by the sages of old.


An esoteric offshoot of Judaism, Kabbalah's origins can be traced back to the 12th and 13th centuries when its central text, the Zohar, was penned.


Taught only to a select few -- namely, pious Jewish males over the age of 40 who had spent a lifetime immersed in the study of Hebrew texts -- study of Kabbalah required arduous meditation and a strictly ascetic lifestyle.


Little wonder then that the Kabbalah Centre's scented candles for banishing depression or improving your sex life, not to mention its specially-blessed Kabbalah spring water, has been greeted with ill-disguised contempt by many Orthodox Jews.


If the 45-year-old singer was hoping to use her upcoming visit to Israel to swap notes with Rabbi Yitzhak Keduri, one of Israel's most venerated adherents of Kabbalah, she is set to be disappointed.


"I don't know her, I don't know of her and I won't see her," Keduri told the Maariv daily recently, pointing out that the study of Kabbalah was not open to women nor to non-Jews.


"Kabbalah is an added mystical tier to Judaism which comes after there is a total acceptance of a religious lifestyle and a religious value system," Rabbi Shlomo Rifkin told AFP.


The traditional idea is that anyone studying Kabbalah must first be a mature, practising Jew, explained Rifkin, chief rabbi of the Efrat settlement in the southern West Bank.


"Maturity is important because some people can get wrapped up in the esoteric spirituality which can sometimes be cheapened into general love fests, or debauchery," he warned.

"In the Hollywood sense, the people who are accepting Kabbalah with such alacrity, such as Madonna, are taking many of the mystical concepts but not necessarily the unique lifestyle."

Jerusalem-based rabbi Yehoshua Engelman believes the upsurge in popularity of Kabbalah is part of a growing interest across the globe in the deeper meaning of life.

"Just as in the past 30 or 40 years, Buddhism and other religions have become popularised, so a similar thing has happened with Sufism and Kabbalah," Engelman said.

"People are looking for a greater depth and spirituality than they were a hundred years ago. I imagine Madonna is searching for something meaningful in life and that search has to be encouraged."

But Rifkin is not convinced.

"As an actress and a singer, if the quality of her shows has changed fundamentally since she's found Kabbalah, and if sex is not paraded publicly then I would say its positive," he surmised.

"If it hasn't influenced these things, then it's just a Hollywood fad that is meaningless in terms of Judaism."
 
I couldn't care less what Madonna believes. What I find interesting is that more Jewish people aren't decrying the whole Kabbalah (the judaic equivalent of snake-handling) fad as blasphemous.

As for me, aside from the fact that I don't believe in dieties of any stripe, I am especially off-put by religions with an ostensible ethnic prerequisite.
 
I vote for New Age Mumbo Jumbo. Madonna is one of the world's great marketers (of herself).

She's still the Material Girl. Under that exterior of fake glitter beats a heart of real glitter.
 
Clare Quilty said:
I couldn't care less what Madonna believes. What I find interesting is that more Jewish people aren't decrying the whole Kabbalah (the judaic equivalent of snake-handling) fad as blasphemous.

As for me, aside from the fact that I don't believe in dieties of any stripe, I am especially off-put by religions with an ostensible ethnic prerequisite.

I don’t know where you get your information, but Kabbalah has nothing in common with snakehandling and that kind of religious hysteria at all. It’s a highly intellectualized system of Jewish mystical thought, quite ancient and very much respected that has its roots in Jewish mystics’ attempts to understand how God manifests himself in the material universe. It’s every bit as deserving of respect as other mystical systems such as Zen and Sufism.

It is a very esoteric system, however, and Jewish tradition proscribes a man from studying Kabbalah until his fortieth year, after he’s spent thirty years in studying Talmud. He’s thought to lack sufficient maturity to understand the principles before that age. Kabbalah enjoys a vogue today because it was one of the more difficult occult disciplines to master (a knowledge of Hebrew is necessary), but several scholars have come forward and decided to try and popularize it.

Kabbalah recognizes ten different "emanations" or Sephiroth of God, which may be thought of as kinds of energies or influences emanating into our world, and 22 different relationships or paths between these emanations. The twentry-two paths also correspond to the letters of the Hebrew alphabet, and, since religious Jews believe that God dictated the Torah, they believe that each letter relates to these paths and thus describes subtle meanings in the words of the pentateuch that are sub-textual and profound. All things that exist partake of the Sephiroth and the 22 paths, thus everything relates to the divine. That's just the tip of the iceberg though.

The reason so many people are taking up Kabbalah is, in my opinion, because it's a very powerful tool for bringing a sense of the transcendent into your life.

The knock on Madonna and Kabbalah is that she doesn’t have the background for it and has taken it up as a fad. Whether that's so or not is between her and her rabbi, but to call Kabbalah "snakehandling" is quite offensive.

---dr.M.
 
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I think what Madonna and a lot of other celebrities are looking for is enlightenment, whether through Zen, the Kabbalah, Scientology, or paganism, they all seem to seek something more spiritual in themselves and choose to go to a religion that is more or less untainted as the majority of some of the more "traditional" religions.

They seem in search of their identities.

Just my thought.
 
The forms in which the spiritual progress is cast can lead to a misinterpretation of what's occurring, but it's much more important that the effort be made. An unexamined life is a stultified one.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
I don’t know where you get your information, but Kabbalah has nothing in common with snakehandling and that kind of religious hysteria at all.

...From Professor Saul Lieberman and the Orthodox Yeshiva students and Rabbis who, for reasons about which I do not care to inquire, congregate at the 7/11 across the street from my home. Kabbalah has in common with snake handling that they are widely considered magical mumbo jumbo by conservative adherents of their respective religions..

The knock on Madonna and Kabbalah is that she doesn’t have the background for it and has taken it up as a fad. Whether that's so or not is between her and her rabbi, but to call Kabbalah "snakehandling" is quite offensive.

To whom is it offensive, the Kabbalists or the Snake Handlers?
 
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Way to go Esther...

"Esther" in case you weren't aware is Madonna's new adopted name. My opinion is that anything that shakes up the religious world is for the better.

The Kaballah has it's origins in the Galillee town of Tzefat by a mystical fellow called Issac Luria better known as the great Ari.
They do have an artist colony up there in the old city and there's no night life on the Shabbat (compared to Tel Aviv that rocks).

During one of my trips up their is some rabbis tomb, that I, with my religious cousin ventured upon after my army service. The legend is if you pray there, within a year you'll get married. As we were doing our field trips by hitchiking, we did manage to catch a ride back from there with a couple of girls. Needless to say starting a conversation seemed ackward.

So the moral is, since neither of us got married during the year (I actually was thinking only of getting laid), and I'm sure my cousin prayed alot, the Kaballah like most religious dogma is just a bunch of hoocus pocus and "Esther's" new lifestyle change is nothing but something new to talk about.
 
I don't see much difference between Madonna and her Kabbalahhooie, the Beatles and their gurus and everything from here to there. That's all I've got to say.

Perdita
 
Well I'm following nothing unless John Lennon does.

Imagine, no religion. (If I had that much money I probably could)

Gauche
 
We can poke fun, call it a fad, whatever -- but seeking greater understanding (of self and/or others) is never a bad thing, IMO, as long as no one's getting hurt.

I wish 'em all, snake handlers included, the most fruitful journey.

However, it grates when there is a plea (veiled or not) for others to applaud, or even acknowledge, their peity.

The "watch me pray" syndrome is what thoroughly turned my off to any organized religion. Worship? Worship WHAT, exactly?
 
Clare Quilty said:
...From Professor Saul Lieberman and the Orthodox Yeshiva students and Rabbis who, for reasons about which I do not care to inquire, congregate at the 7/11 across the street from my home. Kabbalah has in common with snake handling that they are widely considered magical mumbo jumbo by conservative adherents of their respective religions..


Kabbalah is denigrated by conservatives, just as mystical systems are shunned by most organized religions, because they pose a threat to the power structure and organization of that religion. Mystical systems seek to provide a direct experience of God without going through the usual religious protocols and controls.

There are a number of stories in Jewish folklore that warn against Kabbalah, stories about Kabbalists dying or losing their minds when they come up against the kind of forces that Kabbalah deals with, and study of Kabbalah has always been a condemed by orthodox Jewry. It's always been an underground practice.

The famous medieval story of the Golem of the rabbi of Vilnius involved Kabbalah. The rabbi used Kabbalistic sacred words to bring to life a man made of earth to protect Jews on the sabbath, and the Golem got out of control. The story's often cited as the predecessor of Shelley's "Frankenstein" as a parable of what can happen when man screws around with forces beyond his control.

---dr.M.
 
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Golem

Thanks for the memories Dr. M. Been sometime since I heard that story.

Israel could sure use a celebrity of any type now visiting their shores and whatever brings her their is cool with me.
 
Really, I don;t understand what's so hard to believe here. Does anyone remember Cat Stevens? He walked away from a terrific pop career and became a Sufi Mystic and hasn;t really been heard from since. John McGlaughlin the brilliant guitarist who played with Miles disappeared for several years wnad was heavily into meditation, and even Coltrane towards the end was into some weird mystical stuff.

As for Madonna's name change, all Jews have their "Jewish name", which is given to you when you usually at birth and is used throughout your life in rituals and prayers and stuff. I assume "Esther" is such a ritual name.

Madonna's a performer. How good a performer she is is evidenced by all the people who believe that she really is the person she plays on stage. She's not, and whether she's in to Kabbalah or astrology or stamp collecting, what's the big deal?

---dr.M.
 
Madonna

Madonna will do anything to keep her face and name in the papers. In a couple of years when she has milked out all the mile she can from it she will move on to something ealse. Look at her past she done it before and will do it again. It called PR. She getting older and its harder to keep people commnig back to buy your cd's. There are alot of younger weman that are up and comming that sing better and look better. She is scare of becomming a fading star a has been. She is afraid that a couple years from now no one rember her. After a couple of her movies I can see way she has that fear. Her biggest fear is being not being speasheland just being like every one ealse. That is a big come down for her. To me its no big deal she can do what ever floats her boat if it make her feel better about herself. I feel good about myself so it doesn't bother me what she or any one ealse does as long as it doesn't hurt any one ealse.
 
gauchecritic said:
Well I'm following nothing unless John Lennon does.

Imagine, no religion. (If I had that much money I probably could)

Gauche

Imagine it? I'm living it! It's the all the people sharing all the world part that defies my imagination.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
Does anyone remember Cat Stevens? He walked away from a terrific pop career and became a Sufi Mystic and hasn;t really been heard from since.

Therein lies the difference. Madonna is an attention whore, desperate to shock a public long since jaded to her antics. She flashes the hebrew letters lamed, aleph, and vov on a huge screen during her concerts. That is supposedly one of the Kabballist secret names for their god. Would a sincere observant jew flash the name of god on a screen at a rock concert? I think not. They won't even write the word god when it applies to old "cross me and you're dead" Yahweh.
 
Clare Quilty said:
Therein lies the difference. Madonna is an attention whore, desperate to shock a public long since jaded to her antics. She flashes the hebrew letters lamed, aleph, and vov on a huge screen during her concerts. That is supposedly one of the Kabballist secret names for their god. Would a sincere observant jew flash the name of god on a screen at a rock concert? I think not. They won't even write the word god when it applies to old "cross me and you're dead" Yahweh.

Oh. Well, I didn't know about that.

Yep. You're right. Attention-hungry whore.

---dr.M.
 
I think Cat Stevens killed his career when he said he supported the Ayatollah's hit order on DAMMIT, what was that writer's name? The one who had to live in hiding after he wrote #%^#@ name of that book?

:mad:

Stupid plugged synapses...If I can't remember pop-culture history, what chance will I have with history that was never on TV?

:(
 
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