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amicus

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Yes, this is a 'rip off' of another thread because conflict and dissension is, 'banned'.

Thus I will not add another ounce of 'syrup', fluff the feathers, get in the face or step on any toes there, but...

Life is conflict. Friends are conflict. Love is conflict.

Life hurts, as do friends and lovers.

There is an entire generation and more, that I am trying my best not to apply a pejorative to, that is responsible for such things as awarding a trophy to every kid on a sports team so as not to embarrass the worst performers.

They are also responsible for denying that there are actually more attractive humans among the herd and that mankind has always worshiped beauty and symmetry as the ideal.

And now we have overweight, unattractive representatives in sort of an 'affirmative action' quota system in which the best are penalized and the not so best rewarded.

We went through an era where females declined to don 'make-up' and attractive clothing in favor of zits and overalls, so as not to be viewed as 'sexual objects'.

Such a deal.

Friendships are competition, note the coterie in every social gathering from grade school forward that selects from among the best and brightest, the hunks and the cheerleaders, the attractive intelligent ones. Note also the jealousy of the second and third tier of wannabees that act out with rebellious hair and clothing, gag me with a 'goth'. If not that, then the drug culture to assert equality.

'Partnerships', based on anything less than competitive excellence, evolve from, 'no one likes us, so we will like each other!'

And, ah, Love, that human mystery of attraction and devotion, is relegated to the dusty annals of poetry and the foolishness of films and 'real' relationships are touted as contractual agreements not to hurt each other.

What a sad and ugly chapter to human evolution.

You can ignore this thread, which will not surprise me, but if you do offer comment, feel free to express the entire spectrum of human thought and emotion and see if you can rise above the political correctness of 'we will all agree to control our emotions as they may be hurtful to others...' syndrome that seems to affect and effect not just the political and philosophical opinions of most, but even the most personal and intimate relationships humans are capable of.

In other, more simplr terms, it is human to love and hate; human to have biases and prejudices and even personal choices that define attractiveness and beauty for any old irrational, totally irresponsible reason one chooses.

As long term denizens of this forum know precisely from whence I speak, to the relative 'newbies' here, I state it openly.

I conclude that a half century of militant feminism, the 'female' pov, has so changed, challenged and threatened the social fabric with the mundane and mucky 'equality' thesis, of total egalitarianism, equality in all things, that the very concepts of friendship, partnership and love have been thrown asunder to the extent that even innate gender identity is in question.

Internet associations, forums such as this one, often deteriorate into a 'social networking' gimmick, that females are so fond of, be it the telephone, cell phone, or hanging over the backyard fence gossiping the day away with inanities.

Of course, the indecisive, wimpy males, sniffing along behind, will do and say anything to get close to mother earth, the female, who really wants something entirely different.

This is not necessarily a combative offering, not even an objection to the structured intent of the thread that inspired this, rather an attempt to present an opposing opinion to the prevailing attitude engendered by subjective, relativistic ethics and morality that so permeates the thinking here.

Oh, and before the naybirds take flight, I do love women and everything feminine in this world of opposites.

:rose:;)

Amicus...

edited to add, just for the hell of it:

http://storywrite.com/story/182108

http://storywrite.com/story/182090
 
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You're so cute.

*pats ami on the head*

No matter what the topic you invariably try to bring it around to blaming women.

:rose:
 
Ah, sweets, I am pleased that you read me again....men, to me, are boring and predictable and the usually angular physique, not attractive in the least.

Ah, but the ladies, of all ages, as the linked poems imply, a source of neverending joy and entertainment and, them lil critters seem to instigate events everywhere they go.

Ain't it so?

ami...
 
You're so cute.

*pats ami on the head*

No matter what the topic you invariably try to bring it around to blaming women.

:rose:

I am not so sure he blames women. He just doesn't understand them (us), SweetSub. There is a difference.

Edit for a word or 20: I hope you can manage to keep this thread on the main page for a couple of days, Ami. It's interesting. Kisses.
 
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Christ, Charlie, gimme a break!

Name one, of great intellect or not, who, 'understood women...'

(gotcha!)

:) ami
 
Ah, sweets, I am pleased that you read me again....men, to me, are boring and predictable and the usually angular physique, not attractive in the least.

Ah, but the ladies, of all ages, as the linked poems imply, a source of neverending joy and entertainment and, them lil critters seem to instigate events everywhere they go.

Ain't it so?

ami...


Actually, it's often deliciously fun to instigate things.
 
Oh, I know, Sweets, I know...I had one, a coed of the University of Florida, jump out of a perfectly good airplane just to see if I would duplicate the feat.

I did not.

I'm a lil hinky, but not that much!

grins...

ami:rose:
 
Oh, I know, Sweets, I know...I had one, a coed of the University of Florida, jump out of a perfectly good airplane just to see if I would duplicate the feat.

I did not.

I'm a lil hinky, but not that much!

grins...

ami:rose:

:heart:
 
Lucky you! And the exception to the rule no doubt, I still suspect your mischievous ways are more, 'tolerated and excused', rather than understood...grins...

;)

:rose:

ami (the always amicable one...ahem)
 
Christ, Charlie, gimme a break!

Name one, of great intellect or not, who, 'understood women...'

(gotcha!)

:) ami
Um... a little over half of the world's population seem to have a decent grasp. As for the males, maybe not as much. :cool:

On the other hand, name one, of great intellect or not, who, 'understood people...'
 
To take a different tangent on the thread, yes, I feel and see the difference in women/man role-playing of my youth and I do not like the adrogenous effect it has had on fashion. I had to wear a skirt or dress to school every day until my senior year, after all.

I prefer to wear a skirt and top or dress any day of the week, weather permitting. In the summer this is usually pantiless for comfort.

I am the ONLY woman in a skirt unless it is a very dressed-up business woman in heels and stockings. I have taken count when I have been bored to tears by waiting in some line. Out of a hundred women, two have on a skirt, most are dressed in male style tailoring jeans and shorts with T-shirts and hats.

Granted, I live in a red neck area of Northern California, but take a look around. Most women have alot of clothes on when they could get by with much less.

The boardwalk at Santa Cruz with the large ladies in their thong bathing suits is a different subject entirely.
 
Understanding the beast and his (genderless, generic) associations and relationships with other beasts, and his understanding of the world, universe, solar system, environment he finds himself in, was, I thought, the reason for contemplation.

But, I discover that most wish to just toot their own horn and then huddle with others of similar ilk.

We are strange creature indeed...there was a thread, here or elsewhere, contemplating the number of 'true friends' one has in a lifetime and what it means to have a 'friend'.

Partners and lovers, one assumes, is a closer and more intimate relationship and that seems beyond comprehension, especially if one concludes, that for some silly reason, opposites seem to attract?

Perhaps a tome "A Generation Afraid to Love", might be an apt title?

I mean, criminy, this 'androgenous' existence suggested by Allard, and which I call 'genderless', seems to me destructive of any possibility of appreciating the differences between sexes and people in general as all strive to be identical.

No wonder the kids rebel.

Ami...
 
Physical strength vs mental strength.

such a deal.

Muscle doesn't think (unless you follow that little known theory) Brains think. evolution turns up and those with only historical muscle still believe they are more worthy.

Pussy whipped and denying Freud, some don't get past denial in their mourning.

Comfort yourself with anger. The pleading can wait till your deathbed. (and you will)
 
I would be happy to respond if I only knew what the hell you said?

:confused:

amicus...
 
I also agree that love in all its aspects has joy and pain. It is two sides of the same coin and swings like a pendulum. Whether we are loving our children, our mates, our siblings, our parents or our friends, joy and pain are both there. The source of the pain is the unreal expectations that we place on others to satisfy our needs. When I leave my unreal expectations out of my relationships, the joy is much easier to find. We are all human and therefore have foibles, whether we like it or not.
 
You post brought back a memory that has hidden itself for many, many years...there was a girl...

Another coed, who liked poets and band players, I did both (shhhh), way back then and she told me one day, "You should expect a little rain, it balances the sunshine and blue skies..."

I was young and dumb and wanted that relationship to never have a cloudy day, let alone a rainy one.

But, things change, time passes and people change and soon and now, she became just a memory.

Such a deal....

thanks again, Allard....

:rose: ami...
 
Ami,

Poet is easy to grasp, but band member? What kind of music, jazz? What instrument?

I am a dancer by nature and therefore have a working relationship with any band that is lucky enough to have me really get excited by their music on the dancefloor. I have ended up wet more than once.

My father played trumpet, piano, guitar, flute and ukalele. He was hip. I was raised on the best music, of all kinds, minus country.

I love to hit on musicians, still to this day, I live to be a groupie and I get to live out that dream more than once a year...

Allard
 
Ami,

Poet is easy to grasp, but band member? What kind of music, jazz? What instrument?

I am a dancer by nature and therefore have a working relationship with any band that is lucky enough to have me really get excited by their music on the dancefloor. I have ended up wet more than once.

My father played trumpet, piano, guitar, flute and ukalele. He was hip. I was raised on the best music, of all kinds, minus country.

I love to hit on musicians, still to this day, I live to be a groupie and I get to live out that dream more than once a year...

Allard


~~~

I had to quote your post to avoid going back a page a dozen times...music and dancefloors, oh, yeah...

I was told by my mother that my father was a musician in a band also, I have a sneaking suspicion, although she never said as much, that she was whatever groupies were called in the 30's, ahem, one of dose.

I love flute, and recommend some of the jazz/samba of Herbie Mann with Gilberto & Jobim, I love Brazilian jazz.

I built a little coffee house over a pool hall just off a college campus and filled in for the band on either keyboard, drums or guitar, and it was folk music back then for the most part and some rock & roll, what the hell, three chords and I could stay with it, but I never was much of a musician, sorry to say.

I was also a disk jockey for many years and played all kinds of music and was in the band management field for a while, we booked 'Heart" from Canada into a club for their first US appearance, way back when, I still remember meeting the Wilson sisters before they went big time.

I also broadcast live from a jazz club in Honolulu for a few years and got to meet and hear some of the best in the biz at the time, fond memories there.
"...I love to hit on musicians, still to this day, I live to be a groupie and I get to live out that dream more than once a year..."

Gotta love that about you girl, don't suppose you wrote about some of it and would recommend a read?

Warm regards...

Amicus...
 
We have a lot in common. I love Heart. The Wilson Sisters are the best. And I just got the CD of Sinatra/Jobim. I could listen to it for days but it is too much bossanova for my family to take.

I am still gaining experiences to assist in my writing about being a groupie. That and a couple of the touring band leaders' wives are still alive, so I would not want to let any cats out of any bags. Too many possible rendevous in the future to mess this up with details. I look forward to writing that novel when the fun is over and I am sitting in the rocking chair dictating the stories to a young aspiring writer. Oh how my imagination wanders at will...
 
You need not reply to this, but I have a favorite flute and guitar song that I am going to try to locate, new computer, transferred files and all that, if I find it and if I can locate your email addy on your home page, then maybe, Ifin it doesn't slip my mind....

and can understand reluctance to write about such things, I play it safe, I make em all up...grins...

be well...

ami
 
One good thing about the occasional rendevous is that both parties are on leisure time and ready to display their best sides, leaving the mundane and difficult chore of living together to someone else. I see this as a perk, anyway.
 
I really, really, really feel sorry for you.
Despite all your posturing, you're l like the wolf huffing and puffing and trying to blow down the house of bricks.

It's suddenly become quite obvious, you don't 'get' women at all. Any women. Not one bit.


Well..that kind of took the wind out of my sails, just saw Charlie's post and your reply. My excuse? It's 6.50am, and I've been awake and up 20 minutes.

I'll duck out now and leave that discussion to her, she handles it so much better.

*blink*
 
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