Friends: I need some advice

Whit00EK

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Well, I seem to have gotten myself into a bit of a "situation" and am filling in the blanks here in order to solicit a bit of advice. When I had difficulties earlier with a tech problem, I came to the Board and found you willing and eager to give a varied collection of solutions. Now, you have another chance; and this time it is far from a "tech” problem.

Most of you who will read this know me from my story postings. Some of you know me through personal e-mail and chat-room contacts and conversations. For those who are not “in the know” about particular details, let me sketch a bit of background.

I am a retired high school principal, married a long, long time to a woman who is termed by others who know her “a religion fanatic” who has felt, for the past 25 years, that sex is totally unnecessary after the completion of a family plan (we have three adult children). Within the past three or four years, I have begun to “play” in some depth online and have also written stories and threads out of an imagination piqued by frustration. In the town in which we live, I have become somewhat of a household name and, therefore, it has not been easy in finding release -- or so I have termed it -- from any of this frustration, because I am recognized most everywhere I go by former or current students or by parents, etc.

In the past few years, I have begun to arrange rendezvous with certain women with whom I have become friendly online. These meetings have always been under the guise of educational conferences and conventions and have always been in cities within two to six hours driving time of this town. The “meetings” have mostly been mutually reewarding, with only a few having negative connotations for either or both of the participants. I have become satisfied with these occasional forays into sexual abandon and have met several of the women more than once. Most of the women have also been married and in relationships that were unsatisfactory for one reason or another.

There, now, I have set the scene. My difficulty has arisen in just the past two days. I was making arrangements to meet a woman this past Saturday, a first-time meeting for us, and she mentioned that she knew my town well and could meet me at a quaint little sidewalk coffee bistro in the other end of town. I saw no difficulty in this meeting, as this was not home turf for me and I would not really run a big risk of being spotted. I was in the clear, so to speak, with my own family responsibilities, as my wife was attending a church retreat all day and evening Saturday and would not care much as to where I was.

I agreed to the woman’s stipulations and we set a mid-afternoon time for a cup of coffee and discussion about any possible future our rendezvous might have. Well, you have probably figured out by this time that I was being set up. As I sat in the little cafe drinking a cup-a, in walked a very good friend of my wife. I panicked, of course, and began a conversation with her, inviting her to sit with me, hoping that when “Margaret” arrived, she would notice my animated conversation and take the hint to disappear. Well, “Margaret” never showed up because the woman with whom I was so gaily conversing, was my online paramour......Anita Margaret (which I had not known, of course).

The conversation was rather skillfully led by Anita to my actual reason for being there and she managed to drop the bomb that she was, in fact, the Margaret I had planned to meet. I damn near fell off my chair in fright. My aged heart beat several more times in each pulse than a heart is supposed to beat. But then she burst out in a giggle very unlike Anita.

She remarked that the look on my face was worth anything it might cost her from this point on and proceeded to fill me in on the fact that she had suspected I was who I was almost a month ago through some of the things I had said and some of the answers I had given to her questions about my wife. Anita is also a member of my wife’s church group, but had chosen not to attend the retreat and knew it would provide us perfect “cover” for a meeting.

Anita spent the next 20 minutes affirming the facts of her own story told online to me. Everything she had written was apparently true, except for her sexual experience. She has been single for her entire 44 years and is technically a virgin. I use the term ‘technically’ because that is the term she used. She took on a serious mein at that point and told me that she had a hold on me now that I would find difficult to break without having my wife learn of my online activities, and of their eventual results.

Anita invited me to her home and I went with her. She explained that she had read two of my posts as I was writing them (Sharing/Desk Clerk, and Play with my Toys) and wanted to know if I could really do what I had described in the stories. She had come to the decision more than a year ago that she was missing something in not being sexually involved with a man, but had no possibility of attracting one at her age and in her particular employment situation. She would not even consider a one-night stand in order to find out if the feelings described by online correspondence (with me and with others) were actual or just made up in our degenerate’s mind. When she began to understand who I was and what it might mean, she decided it was worth a try. She had, literally, never had a complete orgasm in her entire adult life. She explained that her own religious upbringing prohibited self-gratification and she has lived in fear of any repercussions for years. It was her stumbling on my name somewhere and following up with my recommendations for her reading (Literotica, of course) that led her to think she was lacking a bit in her make-up.

I will not go into any of the details (she also reads these posts, I think) but suffice it to say that (1) she had repeated orgasms in the next four hours; (2) she remains ‘technically’ a virgin yet today, as there was no penetration past what nature has provided (yes, even at her age); (3) she understands what men and women have written about and talked about online with regard to satisfaction and contentment.

My problem is this: where do I go from here? She has made it abundantly clear that if I am not available for occasional ‘meetings’ there is a distinct possibility that my wife will learn, anonymously of course, about my own marital infidelity. I honestly cannot call her hand and tell my wife what happened, because she would never, ever believe Anita could/would do such a thing. While my marriage is not heavenly, by any means, it is a stable relationship for my children and grandchildren and must not be torn apart at this point in our lives. How do I rectify? How do I rationalize? What is your advice, fair friends, male and female?

And before you begin, please....I do not need lectures on how rotten a husband I am, or how unfaithful and decadent I have been....I know I am an asshole by any normal translation of the word. I am here and trying to get along with life. I just need a few ideas.

Thanks
Edward
 
I don't know how gratifying any such relationship could be for you.

Is there a possibility you could just confess all to your wife, omitting Anita and her part in all this? Would she immediately toss you out, or is there a possibility that, with time and effort, it could be worked out?

It's hurtful, I know, but the truth is infinitely better than the alternative. If you ever angered Anita, she might tell anyway.

The only way to pull the fangs of a blackmailer is to tell them to publish and be damned, which is only possible if the intended recipient of the information knows all.
 
Man that's a tough one.

I'm guessing that she would not want other people to know how she ended up with this information about you. If your wife is as bad as you say she is then I am sure Anita would not get off easy at church when your wife is finished with her either. You may lose a lot if your wife finds out but ask Anita if she is ready to lose all she will lose if she goes to your wife. I would call her bluff.

I know you do not want to break up your marriage because of your kids and grandkids but they may be more understanding than you think. I also think you would be a happier person.

No I do not think you are a bad husband, everyone has needs and your wife should understand that.
 
What an awful situation to find yourself in. I feel for you.

Chances are that your wife already suspects you do those icky nasty sex things on the computer already, if you haven't already told her. She may feel relieved that you aren't bothering her with it.

Now that you've branched into real life, and gotten comfortable with it, the crap has hit the goose. Or something. There is only one way to extricate yourself from this situation, and thats by telling truth. Either that or give into this woman's blackmail. The truth always comes out, a relationship of that sort in your hometown will be found out. Some well meaning soul will tell your wife.

Having been the guilty party in an adultery situation previously, I know the feeling of being caught between a rock and hard place like that. I fessed up. I am still married, better than ever, however, my man has no problem giving me the sex I require. Yours is a different case.

I would suggest that if you decide to come clean to your wife, you contact a lawyer specializing in divorce first, for legal advice. She may decide to get you where it hurts, or she may decide to forgive you. She is supposedly a good christian woman? You can have a good long conversation with her minister, he's used to this sort of stuff by now, counseling couples, as it were. If you are not christian at all, he would no doubt steer away from religion, if you ask him too. The upside is that he is free of charge.

Something has to give. You can't keep up these secret adulterous liasons forever, particularly if some sneaky underhanded whore bitch is trying to force you to have sex. Isn't that kind of like rape? I'm not a law wrangler, I don't know.
 
Whit, you're makng this shit up,

Right?? If not, I suggest the following, if you are truly serious.
Tell your wife the truth, NOW, before you find yourself in a deeper pile than you are in now. Tell Margaret that your dalliance with her was an error in judgement and walk away... or should I suggest, fly away.

In my opinion, if you are going to be a player, either get single or cut a deal with your wife that allows you to play, and be discreet.

One thing that I learned, in 32 years of divorce practice, is to withhold judgement. What you did is done. What you do about what you did, is what's important. The deeper you get "into" other women while you're married, the more its gonna cost you, fiancially AND emotionally, to dig yourself out.

I'll send you a bill, later, you putz.
(Sorry, it just sorta slipped out).



[Edited by FlamingoBlue on 09-17-2000 at 08:49 PM]
 
I find it horrifying that such a woman exists in this day and age. Anita if you read this, you are a shallow and manipulative bitch. You will also never find the satisfaction you crave because that can only be obtained having not only a physical but emotional relationship with a man.
Ed, I'd suggest you imagine the absolute worst thing that could happen....perhaps your wife finding out and kicking you out, losing not only your place in the community but your close relationship with your children as well. (Sorry that sound so heartless) Now honestly consider will these things happen? Does everybody expect you to be so perfect? Are you not supposed to have personal needs and desires? If you let your life be dictated by this woman is a very dangerous proposition. CL is right in dealing with a blackmailer instead of letting them continue.
 
Blue, first of all I don't think he is making this shit up. I Know Whit for a while now, and I know for sure he wouldn't play this game with us. But I respect your advice, as blunt as it may be. Godalove flamingo for that. :)

psst now don't hang me for saying this now Blue.
 
Hey Passion baby....

I couldn't take a pass on poor Whit. The man needs me, probably now more than ever.

Hey Whit, ya may need a good lawyer unless you clean up your act, and fast. You have a lot to lose. May I suggest Miss Michigan as your next date? You know Miss Michigan===your left hand (looks just like the lower peninsula).

blue

[Edited by FlamingoBlue on 09-17-2000 at 09:05 PM]
 
I already sent you email but just thought of something else.

If this lady, and I use the term loosely, goes to the same church as your wife andbelongs to the same groups, is she seen as a religious nut by other church members? Is she at least seen as respectable member of the community? Another option to telling your wife may be to threaten this other woman's own reputation in the community. How would it look for a 44 year old virgin, church going member of the community to be exposed for begging for sex from you? I'm betting she would be moritfied if you told the community what she is up to. Got her emails? Keep them and get ready to make them public! Got any "souvenirs" from her in advance of meeting her? Keep them for the DNA!

I'm serious. If she wants to act like a bitch, treat her like one. If she is going to tell your wife, make her do it face to face, not anonymously. Tell her any anonymous news to your wife will assumed to be from her and you will announce her activty to the whole church, her family and friends, and anyone else you can think of. Maybe her employer, too. Threaten and follow through- you have nothing more to lose if she is going to tell your wife anyway. If you go down, take her with you. See how she likes the shoe on the other foot when it comes to blackmail.
 
Thank you Cheyenne, you beat me to the punch. Whit, what goes around comes around. Is it possible to get pictures of the two of you together. It would be an absolute shame if they ended up in the church bulletin. Or maybe record your meetings and then play it on her answering machine.

Good luck.
 
Lol..well I guess you got your answer Whit..I emailed you the same advice..take her down too...
 
*hug* usually nothing is eaten as hot as it is cooked

Well Edward - I think if this female in question (Lady just doesn't seem an appropriate title here) reads this she better realizes that not unlikely to our community on Lit the "real world" will judge things pretty much the same - you did wrong but you can be forgiven whereas she was plainly only doing wrong. Seeing this specially happen in a church surrounding - I think we all know how different standards there are still for women and men!

So - Anita - if you read this.. rethink your actions and forget about any scheme you may have had in mind, it is not very likely to work to your advantage but more likely to drag you down with any spiral you may start!

The only "action" that possibly I can see is that anonymous accusations can be made - and then it is the word of an highly esteemed member of society against some unknown shit stirrer... so whose word would have the major weight? And in case there is any "other proove" it would be clear who gave you the occasion to take things to any other level but fantasy - and I think that was not on the blackmailer's schedule either.

Everything else has been pretty much said already - I'll e-mail you as soon as I get another moment to think it over and calm down.
 
Is this chick for real???

Give me a break Whit!.....I guess I'm too nieve to realize that there are people out there that would do such a thing. I agree with most of what has already been said....Call her bluff. If she is an upstanding christian woman and all alone at that .....she has much more to lose than you. She might as well go ahead and put her scarlet letter on her chest! She may not be the married one but believe me those well meaning christians can be very judgemental of her also. I don't think anyone pointed out that Anita is the one that is playing around with her fellow christian's husband so you may be outcasted by her circle of christians but so shall she. And seriously, what does she expect to get out of totally destroying your life, which I doubt seriously she would do in the first place. She would be destroying her own pathetic life as well.

As far as your home life....Whit sweetie, I don't think it could get any worse than what you have lived for the last several years. From the sounds of it, your wife never knew the true meaning of love and your kids will love you no matter what. You are their father and I doubt very seriously if they expect you to be perfect and since they have spouses of their own now and hopefully with your influence they have truly understood the meaning of a good marriage. They as adults themselves should be able to allow the two of you to hash out your own problems without having to choose between the two of you.

Anyway,....I'm rambling now...I'm with the rest of them....Call her on it....

Now as far as scolding you Whit. The only thing I wish you had not done is give this bitch the satisfaction....I think the misery she must have felt all those years would have been justifiable torture for this woman and you should have let her suffer.
 
If you're still askin'....

You've gotten some pretty good advice here, my friend. I hope you act on it, to the extent that you tell your wife the truth. As to threatening Margaret, I would not have anything to do with her, anymore. No more emails, no more meetings, no telephone calls. NADA!!!

And hook up with a good therapist/ marriage counselor to help you and your wife. Your way of helping the situation has not proven very successful.

You might also think about contacting a lawyer or the police if this lady persists. (In Michigan, we have provision for Personal Protection Orders if someone is threatening us).

Fess up, the sooner the better and be prepared for the consequences. No one put a gun to your head and forced you to see all those other women. That's not a value judgement. That's a fact.

blue

[Edited by FlamingoBlue on 09-18-2000 at 07:49 PM]
 
Whit, we haven't relaly met on this BB - must lurk on different threads! But here's my 2 cents. I was going to email this privately but, well, if your wife and/or Anita have read the BB this far ...

Mostly everything has been said. Any self-doubt you may have should be allayed by the fact your original post reveals you have taken a discreet, caring, and sensitive approach all along. your wife is damn lucky to (still) have you.

Which is the rub - your wife may view sex as unnecessary, but as a wife and a Christian she is being selfish in imposing her moral values on you. [this is why most serious Christians so piss me off - the lack of Christian feeling and charity they show!] She has no right to do this. As she denies you the warmth and comfort asd well as physical gratification, she has no option but to "permit" you to go elsewhere. She should be darn grateful you are not the best client of the local brothel or shagging your students or openly stalking the pretty bolnde down the road.

So from your position of undoubted moral strength ... Tell Anita she has three choices -

1. back off
2. apologise and see if there is a non-threatening relationship you two might have (sounds as if you weren't unattracted to her)
3. Or you will inform your wife and the church group; your wife may find YOUR behaviour hard to take (though if she has half a braincell she'll soon understand) but Anita's position will be trashed.

good luck and don't forget to keep us posted ...
 
Hey, Strange Girl....

Do you think they still have stocks in the town where Whit lives? We could get up a posse and, after branding her with the Scarlet letter, we could put her in stocks for everyone to see. You can be the Sherrif. So, what do you say?

Anita, you better leave poor Whit alone. Get a Hitachi Magic Wand. They are a lot less trouble than a married man. That way you can stay a virgin. forever.

blue
 
Ya think we should ....

Take up a collection and hire some guy to..... We can't do that kinda stuff, can we??

blue
 
Re: If you're still askin'....

FlamingoBlue said:
You've gotten some pretty good advice here, my friend. I hope you act on it, to the extent that you tell your wife the truth. As to threatening Margaret, I would not have anything to do with her, anymore. No more emails, no more meetings, no telephone calls. NADA!!!

I'm not a divorce lawyer. But I am a woman. I disagree with you. I say he shouldn't confess to his wife, he should just inform Anita of the consequences if she ever tells a soul, either directly or anonymously. That isn't making a threat, it is just providing facts for her to make an informed choice. No judgment, just the facts, as you like to say.
 
There is a real split of opinion....

about telling v not telling. One of the better books written on the topic is "Affairs" by Carol Rhodes, Ph.d.
I believe that it can be purchased @ Amazon.com.

I respectfully disagree with Cheyenne. I understand how she feels, but I suggest that any further contact with Anita/ Margaret is too risky for Whit. He is in no position to carry on this "game". The poor guy is broken. Give him a break.

Ladies, this isn't a soap opera. This is the real thing. The guy is in big trouble and he needs professional help from folks in his home town, the sooner, the better.

[Edited by FlamingoBlue on 09-21-2000 at 08:11 AM]
 
Re: There is a real split of opinion....

FlamingoBlue said:
I respectfully disagree with Cheyenne. I understand how she feels, but I suggest that any further contact with Anita/ Margaret is too risky for Whit. He is in no position to carry on this "game". The poor guy is broken. Give him a break.

Ladies, this isn't a soap opera. This is the real thing. The guy is in big trouble and he needs professional help from folks in his home town, the sooner, the better.


I resent your comment Mr. Blue. Whit is not broken yet. I consider Whit a friend away from this board, and I would never tell him to carry on a "game" or think of his life a "soap opera". I realize this is the "real thing" and he has a very real chance of his secrets being revealed to everyone in town. Do not assume you know my motivation for posting. It isn't for the entertainment value.

Whit hasn't posted all of the details of his life to this thread. From what I know in addition to what has been posted, I think my advice at least gives him a shot at his secrets not being public knowledge.

He may still choose to tell his wife, and I would support that decision, too. But I don't think it is the correct one in this case.
 
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