Friendly political discussion

[Weevil]

I know they're impossible but I had a few questions that I thought might spark a political debate. They carry no idealogical baggage and hopefully will simply encourage debate that is free from partisan bitching.

My first one is about Stem Cell research. Not the pro or cons or what Bush is going to do but what is Bush's best option politically? Is there something he can do that will please everyone? Or is he damned if he do, damned if he don't?

 

[rambling man]

Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't....no one can foresee the dangers this might lead to, but you can foresee the hell he will take if he does not allow some form of it

 

[Weevil]

Because he is either going against Big Business(And their posterboys MJF and Superman) and he looks bad or he goes against the religious right(And good ol JP the 2) and pisses off those who elected him. Nasty position for a guy to be in, especially one who is already having approval problems.

 

[WriterDom]

He will allow research from those made for fertility treatment that would otherwise be discarded just as Japan did.

 

[Weevil]

That's great WriterDom but as an authority on all things conservative how do you think that will play with the far right of the Republican Party?? Will this cost him votes?

 

[WriterDom]

That's great WriterDom but as an authority on all things conservative how do you think that will play with the far right of the Republican Party?? Will this cost him votes?

It's the right thing to do. I might cost him votes, but he'll gain some also. If he does a complete ban I wont vote him again.

 

[Weevil]

Right and Wrong are tricky words to throw around. I agree that a decision in Supermans favor would most likely win him some spare undedecided centrist votes but allowing it at all will be a hard blow for the religious right to accept and they're much more integral to his voting base. Will it drive them further to the right? Who knows.

Also it will simply nurture that weird little seed that has taken root in my Cousins mind that Bush is a violent anti-catholic. My Cousin is a nutcase but he tells me a bunch of his fellowly catholic friends already don't trust the guy.

He sure hasn't had an easy few months in office.

 

[Markov Cain]

I do not give one good goddamn about this topic.

Let's talk about the parallel between the 1930's the democratic socialist party and the brownshirts as it pertains to the 1990's, the Democratic Party and the African American community and what we can do to tell them to sit down, shut the fuck up, and quit burning cities and intimidating law enforcement out of doing it's job in the year 2001.

 

[Weevil]

Nope. No topic changes.

 

[*Lazer*]

Markov hon, is your headache bad again?

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

Right? Wrong?

Both bullshit.

"Relativity" is perfection in time.

 

[Markov Cain]

What, EBW, you DCL now?

Sorry Lazer, DCL managed to pull my chain.

Probably his real intention anyway out of sheer boredom.

But I really do not care one way or the other on stem cell research other than maybe to agree that Bush has bungled it and other things from the PR standpoint.

I do not put that much value on human life. Doesn't seem to be capable of very much noble anymore...

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

There you go WD! Your own words and everything!

He will allow research from those made for fertility treatment that would otherwise be discarded just as Japan did.

I agree. It will happen.

Much of the info Bush is getting comes from Estheticists who are telling him that Invitro embryos are most often defined (by Estheticists) as "potential" humans, not actual humans, since 1 in 5 or so of them never mature to full fledged embryos naturally. Their point is that when the Invitro embyos are (what?) only a dozen cells big Bush can safely say that "life" has not yet begun. Not until the embryo "takes".

Of course, the Catholic Church disagrees, believing that the soul enters the same time the sperm does, but eventually believe Bush will realize he has moral wiggle room here -- about 12 cells' worth of wiggle room.

 

[rambling man]

It's funny to hear Bush described as anti-Catholic, the last few times I have seen him on the news he was talking to the Pope or some Cardinal somewhere...
He may be the most friendly president towards the Holy See since Reagan

 

[*Lazer*]

That's cause he has more fences to mend then others due to his stand on the death penalty.

 

[*Lazer*]

That's cause he has more fences to mend then others due to his stand on the death penalty. The Catholic church not being a fan of state sanctioned homicide.

 

[indyweasel]

That's cause he has more fences to mend then others due to his stand on the death penalty.

And we know how well the Catholics like people who commit adultery.

 

[shadowsource]

Bush already screwed it up

For reasons that no one will ever be able to explain - and it's not likely that he himself knows - Bush has dragged this out and turned it into Solomon cleaving the baby. People who didn't care are now feverish about his choice. His father banned the work, Clinton allowed it, and no one was all that exercised. But with his infinite politesse, Bush has trained all the guns on his little mind, which will not fail to disappoint us.

Like most mediocre types, Bush is always fighting the last war. In his case, that's about why the Right deserted his dad. So he will do just about anything to please the right. He will now show us his unflinching courage by kissing JP II's ass (which won't fool the Catholics who recall how Bob Jones U saved Bushie's rookie ass against McCain), cozying up to the Right-to-Lifers, and banning all the research that the boomers want to pursue full tilt. Then there will be a big hubub in Congress, which will fail to override him. We will all gnash our teeth. His approval rating will drop below 50%. The economy will stumble a little more. But we'll all have good sex, so life will go on until we have a new presidentr to kick around....

 

[WriterDom]

so much for free from partisan bitching.