Flowers for Fifi?

[TaintedB]

Here's a kind of weird and totally hypothetical question for the submissives. I was looking at the picture below, which is in my folder to post to the black valentine thread, and thinking of how vacuous and kind of dumb the model's expression is. And then this question occurred to me and it won't leave me alone. :/

If your dominant, for some reason, really wanted you to become more stupid and there was a instant drug to take or an equally easy way to lower your IQ, would you do it for him? The context is all things being equal, i.e. you have a loving and wonderful power relationship with him already, nothing is wrong with it, he isn't forcing you to do this nor threatening you with abandonment of any sort if you do not, he's just thought about it a lot and come to the conclusion that it would be very hot and thrilling not only to have a slightly bimbo-ized submissive, but to have someone willing to do something like cripple herself--give away a part of her intelligence just for him. He's also promised to take care of you for the rest of your life if you do this, as it will make you less able of taking care of yourself. Because once you've taken this step, there's no going back, ever, to your former level of intelligence.

Doms, this isn't a place to get up on a soapbox and tell us all how you would never ever ask a partner to do that or even want it. It's kind of obvious that most of you wouldn't. I am just wondering what other submissives would if they were ever faced with a situation like this.

 

[Aeroil]

Here's a kind of weird and totally hypothetical question for the submissives. I was looking at the picture below, which is in my folder to post to the black valentine thread, and thinking of how vacuous and kind of dumb the model's expression is. And then this question occurred to me and it won't leave me alone. :/


If your dominant, for some reason, really wanted you to become more stupid and there was a instant drug to take or an equally easy way to lower your IQ, would you do it for him? The context is all things being equal, i.e. you have a loving and wonderful power relationship with him already, nothing is wrong with it, he isn't forcing you to do this nor threatening you with abandonment of any sort if you do not, he's just thought about it a lot and come to the conclusion that it would be very hot and thrilling not only to have a slightly bimbo-ized submissive, but to have someone willing to do something like cripple herself--give away a part of her intelligence just for him. He's also promised to take care of you for the rest of your life if you do this, as it will make you less able of taking care of yourself. Because once you've taken this step, there's no going back, ever, to your former level of intelligence.

Doms, this isn't a place to get up on a soapbox and tell us all how you would never ever ask a partner to do that or even want it. It's kind of obvious that most of you wouldn't. I am just wondering what other submissives would if they were ever faced with a situation like this.

I would never take something like that, ever.

 

[graceanne]

Me either. If I had a dom who wanted a dumb chick, I'd know then and there it isn't going to work out. Besides their's tons of dumb people out there, no one needs to go around making the few smart ones dumb.

 

[laurel-marie]

I would not do it.

 

[princess4u]

i would never face that possibility with my dom -

but putting that aside - if he asked, i'm afraid i would have to say "no"

 

[babiesmiles]

Me either. If I had a dom who wanted a dumb chick, I'd know then and there it isn't going to work out. Besides their's tons of dumb people out there, no one needs to go around making the few smart ones dumb.

Exactly my point .

He wanted me for who I am , if he should change his mind to get a "bimbo" there's full of them to choose among . Moreover if he should feel the need to have a dumb one close he 'd deserve her , then maybe would be me not wanting him anymore !

 

[Marquis]

Doms, this isn't a place to get up on a soapbox and tell us all how you would never ever ask a partner to do that or even want it. It's kind of obvious that most of you wouldn't.

Don't be so sure.

I'd be totally down for this, but I have a feeling it would just create more work for me in the end.

 

[Netzach]

Don't be so sure.

I'd be totally down for this, but I have a feeling it would just create more work for me in the end.

So


Much


More.


However, I like the occasional foray with the sweet, tractable, and not totally bright bulbs of the world, quite a bit.

 

[graceanne]

It also occured to me that if you want a stupid sub, just give her some booze. That'll make anyone stupid.

 

[TaintedB]

So


Much


More.

Well, it kind of depends on how much Dumb-Drug (tm) she takes and also where he or she starts out. If you've got a woman in the 160s IQ range and it lowers her 30-40 points, she'll still be statistically considered above-average in intelligence.

Maybe I should re-phrase the question: submissives, if you were willing to consider at all being dumbed down and the stupidity was varibale and could be carefully controlled, how low would you go? I use IQ points because I don't know of any other generally known way to describe intelligence, but you can describe this in any way that you want.

 

[h_i_s]

If your dominant, for some reason, really wanted you to become more stupid and there was a instant drug to take or an equally easy way to lower your IQ, would you do it for him?

Ok, you got me with this one sentence. i can stop reading, right there, and make my decision now.

More stupid ?!??

In that i am not stupid at all, i am disqualified from offering a reply based on this thread's survey.

 

[shy slave]

Well if he wants dumb he should try vanilla.

Been there, done that, married him, shredded t-shirt, twice over.

As if I wasn't dumb enough to do it once i did it twice over.

Would I do it again but this time a D/s relationship...

No, never, not knowingly,

Love makes you blind but it can often make you dumb and stupid too.

 

[curiousjen]

In my exact circumstances I wouldn't because I know Owen too well. If the unlikely situation evolved that he would fantasize about this possibility, i know that it would be a fantasy he would quickly tire of when faced with the reality of bimbo Jen. Our conversations, which whilst not always intellectual in fact often far from it, still they are often full of sparks and wit and banter and subtle intelligence. They are the bread and butter of our relationship, and something that I know he would sorely miss even if at times an airhead must seem rather tempting

(I could use last night as an example: when he has had a really long hard day at work and walked through the door to be confronted by a hypomanic wife in full flow who proceeds to deliver an hour long rant at him about the state of modern day feminism which continues over a burnt and soggy tea culminating with her at bedtime not offering the usual blow job but instead choosing at length to overanalsye her own choice of nightwear and the symbolic significance it has to your relationship! then I imagine had there been a drug he could have reached for- consent wouldn't have been an issue as he forced the pills down my throat probably until I had been reduced to an infantile state )

 

[sunfox]

I wouldn't do it.

My intelligence is a part of me, and as such, a part of the package he chose. He's stuck with my acidic wit now.

 

[rosco rathbone]

That's a really hot picture. I love her expression and swollen lips.


Dumb chicks are boring as shit, though. They are too easy. I'm more interested in questions like "would you get fake tits/plastic surgery/etc to please me?"

 

[laurel-marie]

That's a really hot picture. I love her expression and swollen lips.


Dumb chicks are boring as shit, though. They are too easy. I'm more interested in questions like "would you get fake tits/plastic surgery/etc to please me?"

Don't forget haircuts

But why? Is it a power thing to recreate the appearence of a person to fit your whim? Why not just find the IQ level your looking for or the body type you enjoy from the get go?

I was thinking about the original question, if the submissive agreed, wouldn't the dumbing down have already happened? I mean am intellegent submissive would say no.

 

[TaintedB]

Don't forget haircuts

But why? Is it a power thing to recreate the appearence of a person to fit your whim? Why not just find the IQ level your looking for or the body type you enjoy from the get go?

I was thinking about the original question, if the submissive agreed, wouldn't the dumbing down have already happened? I mean am intellegent submissive would say no.

I know you're asking Rosco, but I'll take a guess at an answer.

It's a power thing, a humiliation thing, a desire to please yourself with a partner who looks the way you like your women looking, and it's probably a little bit of a bimbo fetish too.

Why would an intelligent submissive say no to something her master really wanted (remember, all things being equal)?

 

[TaintedB]

Well if he wants dumb he should try vanilla.

Wish it were so. In my experience there are a lot more smart vanilla people than there are bdsm people. But perhaps that's just percentages at work: there are a lot more vanilla people in general than there are bdsm people.

 

[laurel-marie]

I know you're asking Rosco, but I'll take a guess at an answer.

It's a power thing, a humiliation thing, a desire to please yourself with a partner who looks the way you like your women looking, and it's probably a little bit of a bimbo fetish too.

Why would an intelligent submissive say no to something her master really wanted (remember, all things being equal)?

She would say no because it is not a move forward. I just feel that a master should be adding to his sub, not reducing it. An intelligent sub would think of the long term effects this request created, see it as a negative move, and have little bells going off. If the master wanted a temporary dumb bimbo...act the part.
Should an intelligent sub just say yes to any reqest a master asks? Why?

 

[grace9]

uhhhhh...no.....*slams door shut on said Dominant*...LOL

If I'm in an intellectual coma it sounds like it would be quite a snooze fest for both of us. I agree with shy slave....plenty of bimbos out there to choose from already, why would he want to cripple me intellectually (and our relationship as a result)?

Isn't part of the D/s relationship my surendering what I have of my own free will (with continued awareness that I am doing so) and his continuous beckoning of that surrender part of the nature of our relationship?...correct me if I'm wrong because I am new to this...

But I understand your query in terms of "how far would you go to submit". It does raise a curious set of issues because I'd want to give him anything he asked but does that include the debilitation of my mind and the sacrifice of our happy relationship just to prove my comittment?...This part makes my head spin....

*rubs temples*

I think I just did get dumber and no one asked me to.

Gracie~

 

[TaintedB]

This thread may be dangerous to your mental health.

 

[TaintedB]

Isn't part of the D/s relationship my surendering what I have of my own free will (with continued awareness that I am doing so) and his continuous beckoning of that surrender part of the nature of our relationship?...correct me if I'm wrong because I am new to this...

But I understand your query in terms of "how far would you go to submit". It does raise a curious set of issues because I'd want to give him anything he asked but does that include the debilitation of my mind and the sacrifice of our happy relationship just to prove my comittment?...
Gracie~

Ok, I'll answer this seriously. First paragraph: there is no set meaning on what D&S is that everybody agrees on. If the definition you provided above is what it means for you, then yes, you'd be going against your own definition of it, perhaps, if you were dumbed down. But you wouldn't be going against other, equally legitimate definitions of a power exchange relationship, although that doesn't matter much because they are not your own. Whether you would lose your free will or awareness of your submission would all depend on, once again, exactly how much intelligence was taken away, so I'm wondering... would you be willing to do only five IQ points if for some reason your master really wanted it? 10? what would be your limit?

Second paragraph: why would the happiness of the relationship be sacrified? First of all, it's something he wants so he will be happy afterwards I would think, secondly according to the hypothetical situation described above _nothing_ would change about his feelings toward you nor would anything else be taken from you or the relationship except some, but not all, intelligence. Finally, and feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong but as far as I have noticed, less intelligent and aware people seem to be, on average, far more happy than more intelligent ones. They are blissfully innocent of a lot of the crap the rest of us fret about. So would losing intelligence really result in unhappiness and why? Or would the unhappiness be a momentary byproduct of your current mind as you agreed to do this thing?

 

[grace9]

Response to TaintedB

"would you be willing to do only five IQ points if for some reason your master really wanted it? 10? what would be your limit?"

What would the effect be?...This may seem to be an ignorant question on my part but would it make me more forgetful? Would my ability to retain information be affected? In either of those cases (which would be my partial concern) is that it would affect how I can accomplish tasks, retain what I learn etc and therefore rock the "boat" that we've managed to pilot so well up to that point. With many things in life, we can say we can predict our actions, responses and our "what ifs" and when the situation or circumstance is plopped into our laps we may behave very differently from our original answers. This is where my hesitance is born I guess. That my partner might change, that the result lived is not the result hoped for and what then?....

But as you said in your post...that nothing would change....I can only speak from the narrow doorway of my limited experience and would think that something, however slight, would. If not in us, in me. (I read a book years ago called Flowers for Algernon....this thread reminds me of it. Since you posed the q about intellect I highly recommend it.)

Thinking as I reply,TaintedB....this is a good question (your post) because my intellect is something I am somewhat protective of I realize as I am writing this. The thought of parting with even a little bit of it....would make me anxious. I guess that might be an area of surrender....a place blocked with borders and signs that say "do not pass this line"....Ugh!....I've got more thinking to do about this, lol!

"less intelligent and aware people seem to be, on average, far more happy than more intelligent ones. They are blissfully innocent of a lot of the crap the rest of us fret about. So would losing intelligence really result in unhappiness and why? Or would the unhappiness be a momentary byproduct of your current mind as you agreed to do this thing?"

Good question. When I was younger I had an incident that caused my intellectual growth/capacity to diminish, not to a major degree, but I noticed it. It was a very upsetting time to not have the same capacity to process/retain information but to still have the ability to see it slip away. It took years to return to a comfortable place intellectually and though others reassured me it was not as noticable (the loss) as I believed, it was however, evident to me. I suppose my answer is colored by my experience. It was difficult to learn and understand things. It was very frustrating and all the while inside I had the memory of being able to look at something (a paragraph in a book for example) and not have to read it four times before I comprehended all its meaning. I wasn't happier mainly because it wasn't the way I was used to being. It wasn't being different from what I had been that hurt...it was feeling it. So maybe for the topic of your thread some loss of memory would be necessary for me as well, lol.

I wish I could give a more definite anwer (and not hijack your thread) but it's so gray for me, I'm sorry to say.

Gracie~

*drops head to desk, confused by own thought process*

 

[shy slave]

In my exact circumstances I wouldn't because I know Owen too well. If the unlikely situation evolved that he would fantasize about this possibility, i know that it would be a fantasy he would quickly tire of when faced with the reality of bimbo Jen. Our conversations, which whilst not always intellectual in fact often far from it, still they are often full of sparks and wit and banter and subtle intelligence. They are the bread and butter of our relationship, and something that I know he would sorely miss even if at times an airhead must seem rather tempting

(I could use last night as an example: when he has had a really long hard day at work and walked through the door to be confronted by a hypomanic wife in full flow who proceeds to deliver an hour long rant at him about the state of modern day feminism which continues over a burnt and soggy tea culminating with her at bedtime not offering the usual blow job but instead choosing at length to overanalsye her own choice of nightwear and the symbolic significance it has to your relationship! then I imagine had there been a drug he could have reached for- consent wouldn't have been an issue as he forced the pills down my throat probably until I had been reduced to an infantile state )

Voyerism is not my thing but to have been a fly on the wall lol

I bet he wished r/l had eye rolling emoticions lol

 

[TaintedB]

Bingo ,Grace! "Algernon" was the source for my thread title. I will reply at more length when I am feeling less stupid...hic!