Feminists engage in terrorist tactics in an attempt to silence men's rights groups

[LJ_Reloaded]

Feminists want to silence all discussion about the educational system's failure to educate boys.

Oh yeah, badbabysitter, here's an example of MRAs taking action. And of your feminist friends trying to censor them by yanking their fliers.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/featured/feminists-target-lecture-on-boys-education/

Men’s Rights Edmonton has arranged a lecture event to be held on July 29th at 7pm at the Edmonton Public Library (Stanley A. Milner branch) with Dr. James Brown, author of Rescuing our Underachieving Sons.

The Stanley A. Milner Library is located downtown at 7 Sir Winston Churchill Square.

Dr. Brown, a career educator with a doctorate in education and post doctoral diplomas in Educational Administration and in Curriculum and Instructional Leadership, will be discussing the challenge of improving boys’ education.

Due to opposition by local feminists, promoting the event has been a challenge.

According to Eric Duckman, posters advertising the event have been vandalized with paint or torn down almost instantly after being put up.

This leads to the question, why would feminists be so opposed to a lecture by a highly respected and credentialed educator on improving boys’ performance in school?

There may be an opportunity to get an answer to that question at the event, as a counter-event has been organized to take place at the site. The event, titled “Feministing at ‘Rescuing Our Underachieving Sons’” is described by its organizer Brittany Kustra as a chance to confront attending men’s rights activists over their “Don’t be that girl” poster campaign, and to “see who is behind the group.”

In other words, she plans to protest a scheduled lecture on an unquestionably positive topic with demands to discuss another, unrelated topic, and she will be mining for group member identities.

MREdmonton and AVoiceforMen invited live debate on blog talk radio following news coverage of the posters, and feminists everywhere, including the most vehement critics of the campaign, lined up to not take them up on it. In light of that, it’s odd that Brittany should think it necessary to disrupt an unrelated event to revisit the controversy.

Rather than take the offered chance to have all of their questions answered, this feminist group has decided to disrupt an event held for the benefit of boys who are underserved by their education system. One cannot reasonably argue that after disregarding such an open opportunity, the goal of feminists planning to converge on Dr. Brown’s lecture is merely to ask questions. Without that as a possible motive for the protest, that leaves their other goal of identity mining.

However, a group with that goal in mind would have been more sneaky than to alert the very people they seek to identify. The Facebook event page for Feministing at “Rescuing Our Underachieving Sons” is public, and they’ve made sure that the MREdmonton group would be aware ahead of time that they were planning to crash the lecture. That seems counterproductive, unless there is a different goal.

Could it be that Brittany and her friends just absolutely hate little boys, and want to deny them any effort that might be made to improve their circumstance within the education system, or are they maybe planning to hijack Dr. Brown’s lecture and distract from its intended purpose just to draw attention to themselves?

 

[mercury14]

At this point I'd be happy if you were taken out by terrorists, feminist or otherwise. In fact I'd probably sponsor it.

 

[badbabysitter]

this of course being the same Dr Brown that is adamantly opposed to feminism or the history of feminism being taught anywhere... ooops, guess someone conveniently forgot to include that part of his lecture


and how exactly is protesting now " terrorism"

the posters bit.. that's vandalism... but the posters that are being taken down in question, well maybe if they hadnt tried breaking the law with copyright infringement ( gee, that part wasn't mentioned either) maybe they wouldnt be taken down in the first place

 

[badbabysitter]

here's the MRAS on " Rescuing Our Underacheiver Sons" you mentioned

Apparently, to a lot of the regulars in the Men’s Rights subreddit — like the hundreds who upvoted a post of this picture — the notion that men should raise their sons to respect women as equals is nothing more than foul propaganda and MISANDRY of the highest order.

And seriously, those guys in the poster look like total White Knight Beta Manginas.

Some of the Men’s Rightsers were especially offended by the white ribbon at the bottom of the poster, which they saw as a vaguely sinister reminder of a World War I campaign to shame British men into enlisting in the army. Because suggesting to your sons that boys and girls should be treated equally is the same as being guilt-tripped into becoming cannon fodder:

TheOtherBono 54 points 1 day ago (80|26) White ribbons. Just like the white feathers handed to non-conscript men of the UK during WW1 by women to shame them into enlisting. How sweet [–]froggymorning 14 points 22 hours ago (23|9) What a subtle and effective slap. MRMRising [-2] 6 points 23 hours ago (12|6) ...and just as destructive.

Others used the poster as an opportunity to rail against … marriage. The top comment in the thread, as I write this post, is this one.

LAMFF 85 points 1 day ago (118|33) Boys, avoid marriage at all costs. There is nothing equitable about that relationship.

Elezeid expanded on this theme:

Elezeid 10 points 20 hours ago (13|3) Boys, if you have a child and don't stay with the mother, you will have all of the responsibilities and none of the rights. So heads up.

Caspian_Drifter responded to the eeeevil poster with a rhetorical question that unintentionally helped to underscore the whole point of the campaign in the first place:

casp

Seriously, ladies, why do gals like to go on and on about “equality” so much when your ladybrains weren’t even smart enough to come up with the idea in the first place? I mean, really, you ungrateful gals, you have a man/men to thank for that.

If I remember correctly, it was T. Reginald Equality who came up with the idea, with some help from his brother Ned (who suggested that he name it after himself).

 

[bronzeage]

At this point I'd be happy if you were taken out by terrorists, feminist or otherwise. In fact I'd probably sponsor it.

Is it any mystery why he can't get a date?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

At this point I'd be happy if you were taken out by terrorists, feminist or otherwise. In fact I'd probably sponsor it.

I'd be glad to retaliate with a strike against you. And I would do it myself, not rely on others like you do.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

this of course being the same Dr Brown that is adamantly opposed to feminism or the history of feminism being taught anywhere... ooops, guess someone conveniently forgot to include that part of his lecture


and how exactly is protesting now " terrorism"

the posters bit.. that's vandalism... but the posters that are being taken down in question, well maybe if they hadnt tried breaking the law with copyright infringement ( gee, that part wasn't mentioned either) maybe they wouldnt be taken down in the first place

It's not copyright infringement. The images weren't copyrighted, for one.

I'm sure you'll shut up now that I've challenged you on this... the feminists did accuse them of copyright infringement and the accusation QUICKLY died as soon as it was challenged.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Apparently, to a lot of the regulars in the Men’s Rights subreddit — like the hundreds who upvoted a post of this picture — the notion that men should raise their sons to respect women as equals is nothing more than foul propaganda and MISANDRY of the highest order.

You're quoting REDDIT?

MRAs hate those fuckers on Reddit. Unlike feminists, we police our own.

Problem with Reddit is, those guys hide in that bunker which is practically impenetrable with its completely unusable user interface. Reddit will eventually die and take those idiots with them.

 

[Mike_Yates]

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

It's not copyright infringement. The images weren't copyrighted, for one.

I'm sure you'll shut up now that I've challenged you on this... the feminists did accuse them of copyright infringement and the accusation QUICKLY died as soon as it was challenged.

Just as I thought... ya got nothin.

 

[richard_daily]

Other than posting excessively on the internet, what makes LT a "men's rights advocate"?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Other than posting excessively on the internet, what makes LT a "men's rights advocate"?

The money I've donated to win men's rights cases in court and the protests I've attended, and the "Don't Be THAT Girl" posters I've put up in support of MRE Edmonton... the list goes on.

Any other questions?

 

[richard_daily]

The money I've donated to win men's rights cases in court and the protests I've attended, and the "Don't Be THAT Girl" posters I've put up in support of MRE Edmonton... the list goes on.

Any other questions?

What protests have you attended?

What court cases?

 

[dan_c00000]

Despite Title IX, female athletes trail in aid

100,000 more men than women played varsity sports

August 15, 2010 12:00 am


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By Michael Sanserino / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


Thirty-eight years after Congress passed Title IX, women fill fewer roster spots and earn fewer athletic scholarship dollars than men both locally and nationwide.

At the five Division I schools in the area -- the University of Pittsburgh, Penn State, West Virginia, Duquesne and Robert Morris universities -- 46.9 percent of all undergraduate students in 2008-09 were women, but just 41.2 percent of all athletes were women, according to Equity in Athletics Disclosure Act filings. At each school, women accounted for a smaller percentage of athletes than they do undergraduate students.

Women at those universities earned 43.5 percent of all athletic scholarship dollars that same year. Only at Robert Morris did women earn a larger percentage of athletic financial aid than they made up the student body.

"Some of these numbers cause great concern," said Nancy Hogshead-Makar, a professor of law at the Florida Coastal School of Law and senior director of advocacy at the Women's Sports Foundation.

But, she said, they are common.

Nationwide, 57 percent of all college students are women, according to the American Council on Education. But in the 2008-09 academic year, women accounted for just 40 percent of all college athletes, according to Equity in Athletics Disclosure Act filings.
That means almost 100,000 more men played varsity college athletics in 2008-09 than women. That same year, men earned more than $227 million more in athletic financial aid than women.

For the most part, the disparities exist because Title IX allows them to.

Neena Chaudhry, senior counsel at the National Women's Law Center, called Title IX a "very flexible" and "very lenient" law. Passed in 1972, Title IX is a federal law that requires all schools that receive federal assistance to provide equal opportunities to women and men.

For instance, a school's gender distribution of its athletes does not have to mirror its enrollment as long as it can prove it has met all the interests of its underrepresented gender or that it has a history of expanding athletic opportunities for the underrepresented gender.

"There are not very many laws where you can comply by showing that you're making progress," Ms. Chaudhry said.

Ms. Hogshead-Makar said it is difficult to tell if a school is in violation of Title IX by just looking at statistics because the law allows for wiggle room and explanation. Generally, that wiggle room benefits male athletes.

Nearly four decades after its implementation, Title IX has succeeded in expanding opportunities for girls and women, but it has failed to bring equality.

"Women's participation is still low," Ms. Chaudhry said. "The problem is that we're not as far along the path of equity as we should be, and I think people are often surprised by that and would like us to say Title IX's work is done."

At best, the law is murky; it is complex, lacks enforcement and allows considerable margin for error.

That leaves schools on their own to interpret and follow the law, which often creates confusion.

"I could not sit here and say we're in compliance," said Terri Howes, West Virginia's associate athletic director of sports development and the athletic department's senior woman administrator. "I don't know if we're in compliance or not. We feel pretty good about the direction we're going, but it's a moving target."

The law made headlines last month when a judge ruled Quinnipiac University, a private school in Connecticut known mostly for political polling, had violated Title IX when it cut its women's volleyball program and replaced it with competitive cheerleading as a cost-saving measure.

Ms. Hogshead-Makar said schools should pay attention to the Quinnipiac case because the ruling could have lasting effects on the way a school determines its number of athletes.

For Title IX purposes, there are two ways to determine the number of athletes at an institution.

The first is by counting the number of athletic opportunities at a school, even if one athlete is counted multiple times. This figure, called the duplicated count, is used to compare athletic participation to enrollment.

The second is by counting the number of athletes at a school, regardless how many sports they play. This figure, the unduplicated count, is used to compare athletic participation to scholarship distribution.

At Quinnipiac, women who ran on the cross country team also ran for indoor and outdoor track teams, which allowed the school to count one female athlete three times for participation figures. By doing that, the school came closer to meeting necessary ratios to comply with Title IX's participation and financial aid distribution requirements.

Women are more likely to be multisport athletes at colleges nationwide, which inflates their numbers in the duplicated count and allows colleges to better match male-to-female athlete ratios to enrollment ratios. But since they account for a smaller percentage of athletes in the unduplicated count, women are entitled to fewer athletic scholarship dollars.

U.S. District Judge Stefan Underhill ruled Quinnipiac could not count some runners who participate in those three sports three separate times. At Pitt, Penn State, West Virginia and Duquesne, more women were considered multisport athletes than men. At West Virginia, such disparities were attributed to its track and cross country athletes.

Ms. Hogshead-Makar said similar inequitable practices existed nationwide because they have never been questioned.

Schools can be found in violation of Title IX only when they are challenged -- typically by a group whose team has been cut by the school or by interest groups. While the Office for Civil Rights administers the law, it takes action only when it receives a complaint.

"A lawsuit is very expensive," Ms. Hogshead-Makar said. "You can't really sue your way into compliance."

Though the law remains cloudy, clear trends exist.

Using the most recent Equity in Athletics Disclosure Act figures, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette analyzed gender equity among five local Division I athletic programs -- Pitt, Penn State, West Virginia, Duquesne and Robert Morris.


University of Pittsburgh





At Pitt, data show athletic participation rates and scholarship distribution skew to benefit male athletes.

Men made up 48.8 percent of the undergraduate student body in 2008-09, but they accounted for 53.2 percent of duplicated athletes. That number grew to 59.5 percent in the unduplicated count.

Men's teams received 61.7 percent of athletic aid in 2008-09, the largest percentage of any Big East school.

Pitt's 2.2 percentage point gap between athletic aid and unduplicated participation is more than the 1 percentage point margin of error generally allowed by the Office for Civil Rights in complying with Title IX.

But the university disputes the Equity in Athletics Disclosure Act figures because those are not the numbers it uses to meet federal regulations, athletic director Steve Pederson said.

"One cannot necessarily draw accurate conclusions about Title IX compliance from the information reported on EADA forms," Richard Holmes, Pitt's associate general counsel, wrote in an e-mail.

The university said that when summer aid and scholarship dollars distributed to medically ineligible students were removed from Pitt's 2008-09 athletic scholarship payout, men received 59.2 percent of scholarship dollars. That brings Pitt's athletic scholarship distribution within 1 percentage point of the university's athletic gender distribution.

Summer aid and aid given to medically ineligible athletes do not count against a school for gender equity purposes.

But similar gaps exist between Pitt's male athletic participation and its male athletic scholarship distribution in recent years. In 2007-08, the gap was 3.0 percentage points. In 2005-06, it was 1.6 percentage points, and in 2003-04, it was 2.2 percentage points.

Though the university said those were not accurate measures of Title IX compliance, it declined to provide its own data.

"That information is complicated," Pitt athletic spokesman E.J. Borghetti wrote in an e-mail, "and because of the press of other business, we simply are not in a position to continue to compile and explain data."

Pitt was the only one of the five schools, according to Equity in Athletics Disclosure Act figures, where women earned a smaller portion of athletic financial aid than they accounted for total athletes in every year dating to the 2003-04 academic year -- the last available data.

Mr. Pederson said Pitt's athletic distribution is substantially proportionate to its enrollment. In 2008-09, the gap between female undergraduate enrollment (51.2 percent) and duplicated athletic participation (46.8 percent) was 4.4 percentage points, meaning it would take about 23 more female athletes to bridge the gap, according to Equity in Athletics Disclosure Act figures.

In 2007-08, the gap was only 2.1 percentage points (or 13 athletes), but in every academic year from 2003-07, the gap was at least 7.3 percentage points, including an 8.2 percentage point difference in 2006-07. In each of those years, it would have taken more than 40 female athletes to bridge the gap.

Despite the statistical disparities, one Pitt alumna said female athletes were treated equally. Basketball player Shavonte Zellous, now a guard with the WNBA's Indiana Fever, said she did not believe that Pitt's athletic department discriminated against women.

"Whatever [men] got, they wanted us to get," Ms. Zellous said. "There was no favoritism there."

Mr. Pederson used Pitt's women's basketball team as an example of the school's commitment to equality. When the university sought a new radio partner for its football and men's basketball teams, Mr. Pederson said any deal had to include a broadcast deal for Pitt's women's basketball games. Pitt football and men's basketball games will air live on 93.7 The Fan while Pitt women's basketball games will air live on 1320 WJAS-AM.

"We're in compliance with Title IX," Mr. Pederson said, "and it's been a priority here to not only have growth but great success for female student athletes."


Penn State University





Athletic participation rates and scholarship distribution also favor male athletes at Penn State.

Men accounted for 54.8 percent of the student body in 2008-09 and 57.1 percent of duplicated athletes that same year. Men were 59.5 percent of unduplicated athletes, and men's teams received 59.8 percent of athletic aid -- the largest percentage of any Big Ten team.

But its 0.3 percentage point gap between aid distribution and athletic participation is within the 1 percentage point guideline.

Penn State athletic director Tim Curley said he was "comfortable" with the school's scholarship distribution because he said it met Title IX guidelines.

"We provide the full NCAA scholarship amounts to all of our women's sports," Mr. Curley said.

Brianne O'Rourke, a former Penn State women's basketball player who recently signed a contract to play with the Chemnitz Cats, a professional team in Germany, said Penn State female athletes received the same benefits as male athletes.

"Everything the men get, we get," she said, noting similarities in apparel, food and transportation.

In the 2005-06 and 2004-05 academic years, women's teams earned a larger percentage of athletic scholarships than the percentage of women making up the unduplicated athlete count.

Mr. Curley said Penn State has proportionate athletic representation and that it does not have any unmet interest.

But in each academic year dating back to 2003-04, Penn State has had a larger percentage of male athletes than male students. The largest gap was 4.0 percentage points, which would have required about 39 female athletes

"We believe overall that we've made great progress with our Title IX responsibilities," Mr. Curley said. "We have a very healthy and vibrant women's program."


West Virginia University





Men made up 55.8 percent of the student body in 2008-09 but only 51.7 percent of the duplicated athlete count. That number rose to 59.6 percent of unduplicated athletes -- in large part because the high number of multisport female athletes on the track and cross country teams. Men's teams were awarded 57.3 percent of athletic scholarships that same year -- less than their proportion of unduplicated athletes.

Women have accounted for a larger percentage of athletes than students at West Virginia for the past four academic years. Three times since 2003-04, women's teams have earned a larger percentage of athletic aid than their percentage of the student body.

Ms. Howes said that with every action the department takes, gender equity "has to be on our radar."


Duquesne University





The largest gap between enrollment and athletic participation existed at Duquesne in 2008-09, where men accounted for 42.3 percent of students but made up 53.7 percent of athletes.

Duquesne is in the midst of eliminating four men's sports, however, which will bring the numbers in proportion, said Phil Racicot, associate athletic director of administration. That decision was not based solely on Title IX concerns, he said, but they were a "contributing factor."

Next year, women will account for 58.2 percent of all athletes, he said. Once the remaining men's scholarships cycle runs out in the next three years, scholarship distribution will mirror enrollment figures, he said.

In 2008-09, scholarship distribution was nearly split in half -- men's teams received 50.1 percent and women's teams received 49.9 percent -- even though men accounted for 57.6 percent of the unduplicated athlete count.

Mr. Racicot said male involvement grew at a larger rate than scholarship distribution because the school added athletes to enhance its football program but had not yet fully funded it.


Robert Morris University





More than any other school in the region, Robert Morris' athletic participation most closely mirrors its enrollment. Men were 56.3 percent of undergraduate students and 57.6 percent of duplicated athletes in 2008-09. The school did not have any multisport athletes that year, according to Equity in Athletes Disclosure Act figures.

Like Duquesne, Robert Morris distributed a larger percentage of its athletic aid to women's teams than women composed its unduplicated athlete count. But Robert Morris was the only school in the region that distributed a majority of its athletic aid -- 53.8 percent -- to women's teams

Athletic director Craig Coleman said that disparity was only temporary -- the school is upgrading its football program and scholarship distribution will reflect athletic participation.

"I think we do extremely well in terms of Title IX," he said.


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories...e-athletes-trail-in-aid-259665/#ixzz2aey3cYlS

 

[mercury14]

I'd be glad to retaliate with a strike against you. And I would do it myself, not rely on others like you do.

Yeah but what are you, like 5'2"?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Yeah but what are you, like 5'2"?

If you think so then hire a terrorist to come after me, you fucking coward. Or better yet how about you come do it yourself? Then before I rip your face off you can find out for yourself that I'm taller than your puny little ass.

Bring it, bitch.

 

[zipman]

Yeah but what are you, like 5'2"?

Stop picking on Erkel.

He has enough problems with all the women who do that.

 

[Pairaclities]

Despite Title IX, female athletes trail in aid

100,000 more men than women played varsity sports

August 15, 2010 12:00 am


"I think we do extremely well in terms of Title IX," he said.


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories...e-athletes-trail-in-aid-259665/#ixzz2aey3cYlS

So how does this work if insufficient women wish to participate? How will the gov legislate women to be college athletes? (I'm sure that's next)

 

[richard_daily]

What protests have you attended?

What court cases?

Perhaps you missed my questions?

 

[Boxlicker101]

So how does this work if insufficient women wish to participate? How will the gov legislate women to be college athletes? (I'm sure that's next)

I was wondering about that too. I have no statistics, but I would be willing to bet there are far more males participating in sports at all levels than there are females. I actually find it hard to believe the participation rates for either men or women is that high in colleges.

As for money, remember men's football and basketball bring in a lot of money. Maybe not enough to pay 100% of the cost, or maybe more than the cost; that would depend on several factors. Women's basketball brings in money too, but probably not as much as men's basketball. That is nobody's fault; there is just less interest in the female game than in the male one, and there is no female equivalent of big time college football.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So how does this work if insufficient women wish to participate? How will the gov legislate women to be college athletes? (I'm sure that's next)

The question is how will the government legislate the market to demand female sports....they don't bring in any fucking' money.

And until they do, the money makers are going to get the lions share as far as schools can bend it that way.

I say we make a move for real equality.....gender/skin color/religion would have no say so in the matter. Just X amount of spots on the team and may the best athletes fill them. That would TRULY be fair.


1 football team, 1 basketball team, 1 whatever the fuck team....co-ed...full contact sports.

OHHHH!!!! get it girlfriend!!!

Make the scholarships HIGHLY competitive and put the rest of the would be scholarship money for sports no one gives a single wet fart about into kids who are actually there for higher learning.

What do you think?? Who else is on the equality train???

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Perhaps you missed my questions?

I take it you haven't heard of the anti-circumcision protests in San Francisco?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Holy shit, Dan, you just got slapped down by another feminist. How does that make you feel?

 

[mercury14]

If you think so then hire a terrorist to come after me, you fucking coward. Or better yet how about you come do it yourself? Then before I rip your face off you can find out for yourself that I'm taller than your puny little ass.

Bring it, bitch.

How many women have beat the living crap out of you in your lifetime?

 

[unregistered]