female circumcision (for subs)

[ammre]

a similar topic currently on the board gave me the courage to finally post this here. for quite a while now i have been very interested in the subject of female circumcision, within the D/s lifestyle. it is rare, but not completely unheard of. submissives who have their clitoris altered, or perhaps removed entirely, by/for their Masters. i have read quotes from slaves who supposedly have had this done speaking of their sexual service being more "pure" since having the procedure done. how it's a completely unselfish act and frees them up to only better attend to their Master's needs. and i can very much relate to such desires, so i cannot say i would be horrified if my Master decided to do such a thing to me. actually i think it would be rather nice, no longer having those guilty feelings about being sexually aroused, no longer having to fight to push selfish thoughts of my own physical wants out of my mind.

i brought the subject up with my Master, and he was very interested in my thoughts/feelings, but says he would not such a permanent change. He even confessed that sometimes he actually enjoys me being physically aroused, so to never be able to do that again would bother him. so this slave won't be going under the knife. but have any other submissives here ever thought of this? or Dominants, have you ever considered it for your female submissives? i imagine most would find it to be a deplorable thing but are there any like myself that can see the potential beauty in it?

HAHAHA so there's thiis guy who i would have been really into and really all about if it werne't for the fact that he definatelly has a genital mutilation fetish... Since we've cooled down and are jsut friends now we can joke about it, but sometimes he worries me... "I should come over and have amazing sex with you, and cut your clit off as you're about to orgasm" "uh no thanks!" "Oh fine then we'll skip the sex and go straight to cutting it off" "Leave my clit alone!" "what about the hood?" "no! then what woudl i pierce?" "your labia?" "no they're small already!" "Then how about you give me a subincision?" "No! i don't have the medical background" "Damnit, can we jsut have sex then?" "No you scare me!"


Ok it dosne't seem that comical but it is by now... I've actually thought of having my hood removed or split, but i'd never remove the clit itself... F THAT MAN.

 

[ammre]

In my experience ........ Unless you man is hung like Einstien, women cum from both clitoral and vaginal (g spot) stimulation. Am I wrong? So removal of the clit and so forth to become less selfish is pointless. Honey go buy yourself a g spot vibrator or and find out what real orgasms are like. You can thank me later!

I can't get off from stimulation of the gspot. That DOES help an orgasm, but i need direct pressure on my clit or else you fail! you get nothing! good day sir!

so not all women are capable, mmk.

 

[Etoile]

HAHAHA so there's thiis guy who i would have been really into and really all about if it werne't for the fact that he definatelly has a genital mutilation fetish... Since we've cooled down and are jsut friends now we can joke about it, but sometimes he worries me... "I should come over and have amazing sex with you, and cut your clit off as you're about to orgasm" "uh no thanks!" "Oh fine then we'll skip the sex and go straight to cutting it off" "Leave my clit alone!" "what about the hood?" "no! then what woudl i pierce?" "your labia?" "no they're small already!" "Then how about you give me a subincision?" "No! i don't have the medical background" "Damnit, can we jsut have sex then?" "No you scare me!"


Ok it dosne't seem that comical but it is by now... I've actually thought of having my hood removed or split, but i'd never remove the clit itself... F THAT MAN.

Wow! That is a bit scary. He's kidding, right? Or does he really thing a girl is going to go for something like that outside of a long-established M/s relationship?

 

[ammre]

Wow! That is a bit scary. He's kidding, right? Or does he really thing a girl is going to go for something like that outside of a long-established M/s relationship?

ahh. no actually... I mean he MIGHT be if i really called his bluff, but i doubt it. It really is one of those fantasies for him, but i don't think he'd ever actually do it to anyone who was unwilling.

 

[Etoile]

ahh. no actually... I mean he MIGHT be if i really called his bluff, but i doubt it. It really is one of those fantasies for him, but i don't think he'd ever actually do it to anyone who was unwilling.

whew!

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

Calling it a night.. and apologizing..

~Thanks for the thread.... I saw the title and of course I thought, what's this.. not being familiar with the surroundings here... this particular thread, concludes my reading for my fan's story for now.... this would scare the shit out me.... but everyone is different and everyone eventually, (hopefully) finds their place in the world whether it be with a BDSM relationship of not. I hope only that by visiting here I can write my fan her story. She wants it rough and painful, and I am not a rough and painful person, a bit of a smart ass.. but hey I'm a redhead I'm entitled.. lol.. Thanks again ~ RH&F


* I had no idea that I had upset people here and I truely am sorry. I was interested in a topic and I have upset people and that wasn't my intention. I can not redo what I have done, I could easily edit it out, but that is unfair and irresponsible and just a way to hide behind the edit button... I didn't mean to offend anyone and I apolgize for those I have upset. ~Dee

 

[Etoile]

~Thanks for the thread.... I saw the title and of course I thought, what's this.. not being familiar with the surroundings here... this particular thread, concludes my reading for my fan's story for now.... this would scare the shit out me.... but everyone is different and everyone eventually, (hopefully) finds their place in the world whether it be with a BDSM relationship of not. I hope only that by visiting here I can write my fan her story. She wants it rough and painful, and I am not a rough and painful person, a bit of a smart ass.. but hey I'm a redhead I'm entitled.. lol.. Thanks again ~ RH&F


* I had no idea that I had upset people here and I truely am sorry. I was interested in a topic and I have upset people and that wasn't my intention. I can not redo what I have done, I could easily edit it out, but that is unfair and irresponsible and just a way to hide behind the edit button... I didn't mean to offend anyone and I apolgize for those I have upset. ~Dee

Wow, I must really have missed something.
edit: okay, figured it out.

 

[Pure]

what hasn't been much mentioned is that there are chemical ways of removing all sexual desire and probably the ability to orgasm.

drs routinely treat certain cancers that are sex hormone related by administering 'blockers' that effectively negate the estrogen and or testosterone involved.

in the justice system, it's called 'chemical castration, and short term would be reversible, afaik, though i'm not a medical person.

the idea of extinguishing all desires in order to better serve, in an old one. males have castrated themselves to better serve God, though the RC church forbids this of priests. IOW they take the line of some in this thread: the brownie points are for *controlling* and *subordinating* the fleshly desires. the shortcut of eliminating them is not kosher.

my main reservation about this whole thing is that a very fine avenue of control is eliminated. esp. in the case of a male slave, I would think that removing his testicles removes a way of really altering his mind.

as for the female case, perhaps it's more subtle. but even going by osg's description, she is not without sexual desires, on occasion, or motivation. further, as another poster (etoile?) suggested, her sexuality presumably is important, else the master would have a guy. were it not important, maybe he'd be looking into breast removal, ovarectomy, etc.

so i guess i'm undecided. if *service* means something like there's sacrifice, then if you chemically* alter the server so s/he can't assert his or her desires (or has none), you've got a kind of drone, and perhaps a kind of robotlike service, one that costs nothing.

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*or surgically, to the same effect

 

[pierced_boy]

so i guess i'm undecided. if *service* means something like there's sacrifice, then if you chemically alter the server so s/he can't assert his or her desires (or has none), you've got a kind of drone, and perhaps a kind of robotlike service, one that costs nothing.

yes indeed well put Pure

nuf said(by me)

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[landcruisergal]

ovarectomy...is actually called an oopherectomy.
Interesting subject, when you consider a hysterectomy was so named as it was to treat hysteria.
I wonder if women who have had the op are indeed more passive as a result.
But holding in mind that a hyterectomy used to always involve the removal of the tubes and ovaries.
Only in the last few decades did they consider the benefit of leaving them insitu.

 

[Etoile]

Ovariectomy is not an unheard-of term, though there is an "i" in there.
I rather like the term orchi(d)ectomy though. It's pretty.

My mom had a hysterectomy when she was in her late 30s or early 40s - I don't remember why. I would tend to doubt that it would make anyone less passive though, as the idea of hysteria as a medical condition is pretty much gone. (At least as far as I'm aware.)

 

[landcruisergal]

Ovariectomy is not an unheard-of term, though there is an "i" in there.
I rather like the term orchi(d)ectomy though. It's pretty.

My mom had a hysterectomy when she was in her late 30s or early 40s - I don't remember why. I would tend to doubt that it would make anyone less passive though, as the idea of hysteria as a medical condition is pretty much gone. (At least as far as I'm aware.)

I remember thinking orchidectomy was a cute term when I first heard it too. It sounds less intimidating and emasculating.
Historically, surgery was performed for ridiculous reasons.That combined with the fact that woman had no right to refuse treatment if their father or husband wished it.
Any surgery in the 1800's would have been enough to make women quiet therafter, or completely insane. ( " if we had only operated earlier..")
I guess it would have been considered pretty successful at the time.

 

[ownedsubgal]

what hasn't been much mentioned is that there are chemical ways of removing all sexual desire and probably the ability to orgasm.

drs routinely treat certain cancers that are sex hormone related by administering 'blockers' that effectively negate the estrogen and or testosterone involved.

in the justice system, it's called 'chemical castration, and short term would be reversible, afaik, though i'm not a medical person.

the idea of extinguishing all desires in order to better serve, in an old one. males have castrated themselves to better serve God, though the RC church forbids this of priests. IOW they take the line of some in this thread: the brownie points are for *controlling* and *subordinating* the fleshly desires. the shortcut of eliminating them is not kosher.

my main reservation about this whole thing is that a very fine avenue of control is eliminated. esp. in the case of a male slave, I would think that removing his testicles removes a way of really altering his mind.

as for the female case, perhaps it's more subtle. but even going by osg's description, she is not without sexual desires, on occasion, or motivation. further, as another poster (etoile?) suggested, her sexuality presumably is important, else the master would have a guy. were it not important, maybe he'd be looking into breast removal, ovarectomy, etc.

so i guess i'm undecided. if *service* means something like there's sacrifice, then if you chemically* alter the server so s/he can't assert his or her desires (or has none), you've got a kind of drone, and perhaps a kind of robotlike service, one that costs nothing.

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*or surgically, to the same effect

a bump for the newcomers to the board, and also so i could finally respond to the above.

Pure refers to robotlike service and a drone...but why is one necessarily a "drone" or robotlike simply because they lack sexual desires? do some truly believe that sexual desire and response is all that makes one colorful, full of life, vivacious, interesting, etc.?

also it's been mentioned by Pure and others that female circumcision removes an element of potential control over the sub or slave in question...namely, the submissive's physical pleasure. however what of the Masters who have no desire to control such?

as for there being chemical means to eliminate sexual desire and orgasm, tho i'm not aware of such means being available for women, even if there were, it simply does not have the dramatic symbolism of a physical removal. i think having to look down at oneself everyday and be reminded of what is no longer there can have a powerful effect on the psyche.

 

[Etoile]

I would strongly encourage anyone who does this to submit their pictures to www.BMEzine.com - there are not nearly enough female nullo pictures on that site.

 

[WriterDom]

I like clits.

 

[WriterDom]

Save the clitoris!

 

[ownedsubgal]

I would strongly encourage anyone who does this to submit their pictures to www.BMEzine.com - there are not nearly enough female nullo pictures on that site.

good idea Etoile...those would certainly be some beautiful pictures.

 

[clairville]

My only 2 bits of wisdom come from the book "Desert Flower" by Waris Dirie a circumcised model from Somalia.

There at around the end she writes:

"After much thought, I realized I needed to talk about my circumcision for two reasons. First of all, it's something that bothers me deeply. Besides the health problems that I still struggle with, I will never know the pleasures of sex that have been denied me. I feel incomplete, crippled, and knowing that there's nothing I can do to change that is the most hopeless feeling of all. When I met Dana, I finally fell in love and wanted to experience the joys of sex with a man. But if you ask me today, "Do you enjoy sex?" I would say not in the traditional way. I simply enjoy being physically close to Dana because I love him."

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[Etoile]

good idea Etoile...those would certainly be some beautiful pictures.

The ones currently up there are mostly procedural in nature, but there are some really nice ones who just did clitoral removal, and one or two who did full labia removal and everthing - it's very striking visually.

And honestly, I don't consider this FGM. In fact, I think putting it in the same category diminishes the gravity around FGM. What we are talking about here is a voluntary practice some consenting adults choose to undergo. FGM is involuntary and performed on babies and young girls for religious reasons. I would not say they are the same thing at all.

 

[wenchhh]

I know this is an old thread, but I'm weeding thru. I am in shock. I guess I can only aspire to be THAT submissive. Don't think it'll ever happen. Also, can't imagine accepting a Master who would want to do that to me. Curious as to Evil Geoffs take on this???

 

[Chicklet]

I guess I can only aspire to be THAT submissive.

i'm not = p

 

[CutieMouse]

I know this is an old thread, but I'm weeding thru. I am in shock. I guess I can only aspire to be THAT submissive. Don't think it'll ever happen. Also, can't imagine accepting a Master who would want to do that to me. Curious as to Evil Geoffs take on this???

I fail to see how having a female cicumcision would make one more submissive than another?

If I wasn't interested in doing such a thing to my body, I'd make a point of avoiding relationships in which that was expected of me, as it would be an issue of serious incompatability. If I was into such a thing, and was with a partner who was into such a thing, it would simply be an expression of *our* relationship. In my book, it isn't a measure of submission, any more than any body modification is (tattoo, tightlacing, piercing, etc).

 

[graceanne]

I fail to see how having a female cicumcision would make one more submissive than another?

If I wasn't interested in doing such a thing to my body, I'd make a point of avoiding relationships in which that was expected of me, as it would be an issue of serious incompatability. If I was into such a thing, and was with a partner who was into such a thing, it would simply be an expression of *our* relationship. In my book, it isn't a measure of submission, any more than any body modification is (tattoo, tightlacing, piercing, etc).

Pretty much my opinion of the matter. And frankly K would never go for it. He loves how responsive I am - says it's a huge stroke to his ego. lol

 

[BiBunny]

I fail to see how having a female cicumcision would make one more submissive than another?

If I wasn't interested in doing such a thing to my body, I'd make a point of avoiding relationships in which that was expected of me, as it would be an issue of serious incompatability. If I was into such a thing, and was with a partner who was into such a thing, it would simply be an expression of *our* relationship. In my book, it isn't a measure of submission, any more than any body modification is (tattoo, tightlacing, piercing, etc).

Same here. I'm not interested in "out-subbing" anybody.

 

[BiBunny]

Pretty much my opinion of the matter. And frankly K would never go for it. He loves how responsive I am - says it's a huge stroke to his ego. lol

Double post, but you posted just before I did, and I had to say something. K. sounds exactly like B., the king of the overinflated ego. I swear, it's getting to where he and his ego can't even fit in the same room together anymore.

It doesn't help that he can make me an incoherent, drooling puddle in, like, 2.5 seconds.