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Does anyone have an opinion on the ending? Do feds come in and take Varga to Rykers or does someone come in and tell him that he is free to grow?

I see parallels to the theme of the show which I believe was raising the question about truth, to the current climate of fake news propaganda. A reference was made by Ivan that Putin understands that power determines truth.
 
LincolnDuncan said:
Does anyone have an opinion on the ending? Do feds come in and take Varga to Rykers or does someone come in and tell him that he is free to grow?

I see parallels to the theme of the show which I believe was raising the question about truth, to the current climate of fake news propaganda. A reference was made by Ivan that Putin understands that power determines truth.
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Based on the history of this show, I think he goes to Rykers. Besides, it was filmed before the whole fake news thing really blew up.
 
Another point: I think they should have given us a much better explanation of the connection between Mrs. Goldfarb and Varga. Also, the thread with the IRS agent went nowhere. He said that he was told to back off the last time by someone very high up in Washington. Who and why?

but mostly I'm thinking of making soup out of Nikki's panties
 
I guess I was left wanting a little more from the ending. And I don't think this season was especially populated with memorable characters, which has never been a problem for any of the iterations of Fargo thus far.


MelissaBaby said:
Nikki was my heroine. (Mary Elizabeth Winstead is my dream girl)

But she was allowed to survive her ordeal in the woods so that she would fight evil (Vargas) and instead, she went after personal revenge (Emmitt) and that's why she died. The Bowling Alley Man, whoever he is (God, or Fate or whatever) withdrew his protection from her.

So, she lived fast, died young and left a good looking corpse. OK then.
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Let's be honest, Nikki was pretty evil herself. She was responsible for the deaths of a lot of people. Most of them were other lowlifes, but the cop was doing his job. The irony is that if she was someone who just cared about money, which is how she was portrayed the first half of the season, she would have walked away rich after the ambush. But she really did want to avenge Ray, even though (unbeknownst to her) he was not actually murdered.



LincolnDuncan said:
Does anyone have an opinion on the ending? Do feds come in and take Varga to Rykers or does someone come in and tell him that he is free to grow?

I see parallels to the theme of the show which I believe was raising the question about truth, to the current climate of fake news propaganda. A reference was made by Ivan that Putin understands that power determines truth.
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You could read it either way, so I suppose it all depends on how much of a cynic one is.
 
Wrong Element said:
I guess I was left wanting a little more from the ending. And I don't think this season was especially populated with memorable characters, which has never been a problem for any of the iterations of Fargo thus far.






Let's be honest, Nikki was pretty evil herself. She was responsible for the deaths of a lot of people. Most of them were other lowlifes, but the cop was doing his job. The irony is that if she was someone who just cared about money, which is how she was portrayed the first half of the season, she would have walked away rich after the ambush. But she really did want to avenge Ray, even though (unbeknownst to her) he was not actually murdered.






You could read it either way, so I suppose it all depends on how much of a cynic one is.
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I read a thread somewhere else (AV Club maybe) where someone argued that if Nikki is evil, so is Batman. I don't know that I buy that, but it's a interesting take. And I confess, as Mewins is my major girl crush, and I identified so strongly with aspects of Nikki, I'm probably incapable of an objective opinion, but I think Nikki was redeemed through her love for Ray.

Do you think she deliberately killed the cop? I think she knew this was her last chance to get Emmitt, and she was aiming at him, but her shot went high when she was shot, and hit the cop accidentally.
 
MelissaBaby said:
Nikki was my heroine. (Mary Elizabeth Winstead is my dream girl)

But she was allowed to survive her ordeal in the woods so that she would fight evil (Vargas) and instead, she went after personal revenge (Emmitt) and that's why she died. The Bowling Alley Man, whoever he is (God, or Fate or whatever) withdrew his protection from her.

So, she lived fast, died young and left a good looking corpse. OK then.
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Smart noobie.(Ray Wise was The Wandering Jew, fyi)

Everything in Fargo, film and show, revolves around one pivot: Marge Gunderson's monologue to Grimsrud at the end of the film.

"So, that was Mrs. Lundegaard on the floor in there. And I guess that was your accomplice in the wood chipper. And those three people in Brainerd. And for what? For a little bit of money? There's more to life than a little money, you know. Don'tcha know that? And here ya are, and it's a beautiful day. Well. I just don't understand it."

One of the things I love about the film is that there is no mystery to the case. Marge just follows the steps of her investigation, A to B to C, each piece of work leading to the other until the case comes to it's conclusion. But, she is only able to do so because she maintains complete moral clarity. The same template applies in the first two seasons of the TV show, but went off course in season three.

Nikki went through purgatory in the woods, and faced judgment at the bowling alley. She was not forgiven for her sins, she was allowed a chance to redeem herself through becoming, in effect, an avenging angel. You are right, she allowed her personal quest for revenge to deter her from her mission. Emmit was not evil, he was just a schmuck. Granted, she had a sincere belief that he was evil, but nonetheless, her pursuit of Emmitt compromised the moral authority she had been granted, and so she was doomed.
 
LincolnDuncan said:
Does anyone have an opinion on the ending? Do feds come in and take Varga to Rykers or does someone come in and tell him that he is free to grow?

I see parallels to the theme of the show which I believe was raising the question about truth, to the current climate of fake news propaganda. A reference was made by Ivan that Putin understands that power determines truth.
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I found it extremely disappointing. The point of Fargo has always been that, despite all the terrible things that happen in life, decent folks will persevere.

Perhaps it's a sign of the times, or it's Noah Hawley asserting his own vision over that of the Coens, but the lesson of this season seems to be that the moral arc of the universe bends towards shit.
 
MelissaBaby said:
Do you think she deliberately killed the cop? I think she knew this was her last chance to get Emmitt, and she was aiming at him, but her shot went high when she was shot, and hit the cop accidentally.
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The jig was up. She was a wanted fugitive, and once the trooper straightened out what was going on, she was going back to prison, and would not be able to get what she thought of as justice for Ray. She fired at Emmitt ,knowing that when she did so, the trooper would kill her. She sacrificed herself as a final gesture of love for Ray, who is a kitten now, in case you were wondering.
 
Queersetti said:
The jig was up. She was a wanted fugitive, and once the trooper straightened out what was going on, she was going back to prison, and would not be able to get what she thought of as justice for Ray. She fired at Emmitt ,knowing that when she did so, the trooper would kill her. She sacrificed herself as a final gesture of love for Ray, who is a kitten now, in case you were wondering.
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That's exactly what I thought, being a smart noobie and all.
 
LincolnDuncan said:
How come no one has started a thread about the best program on TV?
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Because season 3 really sucked, IMO. With the exception of Mary Elizabeth Winstead (Nikki Swango), she was the bright star of the series and sorry to see her die at the end .....she has a bright future. She was great.

I heard Season 4 is in jeopardy, I just hope they get a good script. if they are basing this off of real life stories, it shouldn't be THAT hard to find a good one
 
Beco said:
Because season 3 really sucked, IMO. With the exception of Mary Elizabeth Winstead (Nikki Swango), she was the bright star of the series and sorry to see her die at the end .....she has a bright future. She was great.

I heard Season 4 is in jeopardy, I just hope they get a good script. if they are basing this off of real life stories, it shouldn't be THAT hard to find a good one
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She has been in other good series, Braindead, which was a sic-fi parody, and Mercy Street on PBS, about nurses in the Civil War.

<---Big dopey fan girl

I read an interview with Noah Hawley yesterday.He said that there would probably be another season, but he has a couple of movies lined up and won't have time to do it for a few years.
 
MelissaBaby said:
She has been in other good series, Braindead, which was a sic-fi parody, and Mercy Street on PBS, about nurses in the Civil War.

<---Big dopey fan girl

I read an interview with Noah Hawley yesterday.He said that there would probably be another season, but he has a couple of movies lined up and won't have time to do it for a few years.
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this was her "break-out" show/series. She was great, tough, feminine, smart, a slight sense of humor, and pretty!

I read where they won't film it unless they get a really good script.
 
Beco said:
Because season 3 really sucked, IMO. With the exception of Mary Elizabeth Winstead (Nikki Swango), she was the bright star of the series and sorry to see her die at the end .....she has a bright future. She was great.

I heard Season 4 is in jeopardy, I just hope they get a good script. if they are basing this off of real life stories, it shouldn't be THAT hard to find a good one
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I didn't think that season 3 was as good as the first 2 but I enjoyed it until the end. They developed some interesting storylines but didn't deliver a climax. Mrs. Goldfarb's connection to Varga is still a big question mark for me.

I thought that based on a true story was a Coen Bros. joke.
 
Beco said:
Because season 3 really sucked, IMO. With the exception of Mary Elizabeth Winstead (Nikki Swango), she was the bright star of the series and sorry to see her die at the end .....she has a bright future. She was great.
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She's been around for a little while -- she was the one in the cheerleader uniform in Death Proof -- but I hadn't seen much of her in recent years.

The good thing about being on cable is that they don't have to do a new season until they're good and ready. The three seasons of Fargo have all started about 18 months apart. That helps to keep the quality up, at least in theory (remembering the epic fuckup that was Season 2 of True Detective).
 
LincolnDuncan said:
I didn't think that season 3 was as good as the first 2 but I enjoyed it until the end. They developed some interesting storylines but didn't deliver a climax. Mrs. Goldfarb's connection to Varga is still a big question mark for me.

I thought that based on a true story was a Coen Bros. joke.
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If the cases on Fargo were really true stories, they'd be the kind of crime news that everybody heard about on the news.
 
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