Fairy Tales = Subs = Abuse

:rolleyes:

I loved fairy tales growing up.

The one time a man I was dating ever hit me (In an abusive manner, not a BDSM manner), I punched him in the eye and kicked him out of my house.

Pfft.
 
Hmm... wonder what she'd say about my father reading my brothers and I Shakespear when I was 8 and they were 6 and 4. Cinderella had nothing on Anthony and Cleopatra.

An interesting view on a possible common thread in abuse victims. Now I'm going to go hunt and see if I can find the graduate student who wrote the paper's full work.
 
Oh, believe me you don't want to get me going on fairy tales. They're disgusting.
 
graceanne said:
Oh, believe me you don't want to get me going on fairy tales. They're disgusting.

Fairy tales are great, you don't know what you're talking about!!


:D
 
Hmmm, my girls are into horror and anime, anything with the not-so-happy-ending.



*grin*

I feel pity for the next generation of male subs.
 
When I worked in a library, I came across an old book I thought was mis-shelved. The title said something about being the real fairy tales.....upon closer inspection I practically dropped the thing. It was my first introduction to beastiality.....Little Red Riding Hood wasn't all so innocent by the time she left the forest.
 
Fee-fi-fo-fum, I smell the blood of a Feminist. She probably wants to castrate the big bad wolf too.
 
Why Grandma, what a gigantic shlong you have!


All the better to oppress you with my dear.
 
I found the original Grimm things quite scary and bloody and icky, complete with toes chopped off, but I kinda liked the gore. Maybe they made me a sadist.


I definitely loved Paddington.
 
Silverlily said:
Hmmm, my girls are into horror and anime, anything with the not-so-happy-ending.



*grin*

I feel pity for the next generation of male subs.
Well I guess I must missed the cutoff then :p
 
graceanne said:
Like which one?
there are the standards, but i love rumplestilskin, rapunzel, and sleeping beauty...and the princess and the pea.


Like....all of them! I read my kids Beowulf, and it think it affected them for life.
 
arctic-stranger said:
there are the standards, but i love rumplestilskin, rapunzel, and sleeping beauty...and the princess and the pea.


Like....all of them! I read my kids Beowulf, and it think it affected them for life.

Ok: Rumplestilskin: A man LIES about his daughter, and gets her in trouble. Then instead of owing up to his lie, he gets her further in trouble by making her go along with the lie. The lock her in a dungeon and a little old guy comes and promises to make a ton of gold for an itty bitty locket. Yeah, fair exchange, right? Then it happens again, and he makes an exchange for a ring. Why doesn't any of this alarm the chick? No clue. Then she agrees to give him HER CHILD, in exchange for her own life. Of course she changes her mind, but she shouldn't have agreed in the first place.

Rapunzel: A woman is preggo and MUST have a turnip (A TURNIP?) that she saw in her neighbors garden, so she guilt trips her hubby into going and STEALING it. Then when he gets caught, instead of them taking their punishment they agree to give their child to a WITCH. Does none of this alarm you? Then this witch locks her in a tower, so that she can't ever get with a man. Makes you wonder if the witch was a tad bit gay? Either way, then the prince comes and climbs her HAIR. All I can say is ouch.

Sleeping Beauty. Ok, starts out rather ok. I mean you can see why the parents didn't invite the witch, so it's not really their fault she gets cursed. And of course the seventh fairy saves the day. But then the curse happens, and she's asleep. 100 YEARS LATER, a prince comes and kisses her. He kisses a sleeping woman. I mean, isn't that darn near RAPE? And instead of thinking 'you asshole' the princess opens her eyes and 'falls in love'. WITH A COMPLETE STRANGER.

Princess and the Pea. Ok, this one isn't so bad. Except that the kings mother is a bitch, and a snob. Also, why in the world is it so important that she have sensitive skin? I think their was a little S and M going on in the background.

The little Mermaid. She's 16, she sees a man and falls in love with him? Ok, whatever. Then she makes a deal,a nd is in pain when she walks. But, to make it worse, the prince doesn't even fall in love with her, so SHE COMMITS SUICIDE. I mean, how morbid is that?

It's been a long time since I read Beowolf (like 10 years), but as I recall it's pretty morbid and bloody, too.
 
I'm going to write my own stories, like "The Happy Little Sub"


You see Marquis Jr., and what's the moral of the story?

"Don't tell anyone what I saw in the bedroom that day, Dad."

What'd you call me boy?

"Sorry sir."

Such a good boy, sleep tight.
 
graceanne said:
Ok: Rumplestilskin: A man LIES about his daughter, and gets her in trouble. Then instead of owing up to his lie, he gets her further in trouble by making her go along with the lie. The lock her in a dungeon and a little old guy comes and promises to make a ton of gold for an itty bitty locket. Yeah, fair exchange, right? Then it happens again, and he makes an exchange for a ring. Why doesn't any of this alarm the chick? No clue. Then she agrees to give him HER CHILD, in exchange for her own life. Of course she changes her mind, but she shouldn't have agreed in the first place.

Rapunzel: A woman is preggo and MUST have a turnip (A TURNIP?) that she saw in her neighbors garden, so she guilt trips her hubby into going and STEALING it. Then when he gets caught, instead of them taking their punishment they agree to give their child to a WITCH. Does none of this alarm you? Then this witch locks her in a tower, so that she can't ever get with a man. Makes you wonder if the witch was a tad bit gay? Either way, then the prince comes and climbs her HAIR. All I can say is ouch.

Sleeping Beauty. Ok, starts out rather ok. I mean you can see why the parents didn't invite the witch, so it's not really their fault she gets cursed. And of course the seventh fairy saves the day. But then the curse happens, and she's asleep. 100 YEARS LATER, a prince comes and kisses her. He kisses a sleeping woman. I mean, isn't that darn near RAPE? And instead of thinking 'you asshole' the princess opens her eyes and 'falls in love'. WITH A COMPLETE STRANGER.

Princess and the Pea. Ok, this one isn't so bad. Except that the kings mother is a bitch, and a snob. Also, why in the world is it so important that she have sensitive skin? I think their was a little S and M going on in the background.

The little Mermaid. She's 16, she sees a man and falls in love with him? Ok, whatever. Then she makes a deal,a nd is in pain when she walks. But, to make it worse, the prince doesn't even fall in love with her, so SHE COMMITS SUICIDE. I mean, how morbid is that?

It's been a long time since I read Beowolf (like 10 years), but as I recall it's pretty morbid and bloody, too.


And your point is....?
 
cutiemouse said:
Ok that made me laugh. I remember wondering when I had a personals ad out if all the men who advertised for 'Romeo looking for Juliette' realized that they had a suicide pact... LOL

Oh, believe me, I'm not a big Romeo and Juliet fan either. They were both melodramatic idiots.
 
graceanne said:
Sleeping Beauty. Ok, starts out rather ok. I mean you can see why the parents didn't invite the witch, so it's not really their fault she gets cursed. And of course the seventh fairy saves the day. But then the curse happens, and she's asleep. 100 YEARS LATER, a prince comes and kisses her. He kisses a sleeping woman. I mean, isn't that darn near RAPE? And instead of thinking 'you asshole' the princess opens her eyes and 'falls in love'. WITH A COMPLETE STRANGER.


Um, Gracie? You've not read the original Sleeping Beauty. In the original German tale that the Brothers Grim are reputed to have used for their source material, he fucked her. Yup, hacked his way through the thorn bushes and whatnot, climbed the tower, cut off her clothes and raped a senseless female. Just what I want my kiddos to look forward to.

My problem with fairy tales is looks. Ever notice how just about every pre-Disney fairy tale has a fairly tall, statuesque, usually blond haired and blue eyed but definitely Anglo Saxon princess? Most of the witches, hags, ugly stepsisters, sorceresses and the like are small, dark and evil looking. Luckily, I always thought Cinderella was a wuss and didn't have much patience with fairy tales. I remember thinking "Why is she waiting for Prince Doodyhead Charming to rescue her? Steal stepma's brooch, run off and starve in the city, dress up as a boy and go to sea, but for God's sake, don't just SIT there!"
 
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graceanne said:
Oh, believe me, I'm not a big Romeo and Juliet fan either. They were both melodramatic idiots.

Well i will admit that by the time the story gets to us, we are pretty well saturated, and so it looks like a cheap traga-sit com.

But go back, and remember that this was a time when 13 year old girls married. (Juliet was just 14) and that tragedy of this kind was often an essential part of romance tales (Tristan und Isolde, anyone?) and then throw in the language...ahhhhhh

Ok, so it is not shakespeare's best, and Zefferelli over sentimentalized it, and we get overdosed on it before we can really understand the blatant sexuality of it, but it is still a damn good play.

The Queen Mab speech alone is worth the cost of admission.
 
snowy ciara said:
cutting for length, but wonderful content....

I remember thinking "Why is she waiting for Prince Doodyhead Charming to rescue her? Steal stepma's brooch, run off and starve in the city, dress up as a boy and go to sea, but for God's sake, don't just SIT there!"


Shakespeare wrote part of that...the part about going to sea, and then getting shipwrecked, then dressing as a boy... of course what he does with it is to make the girl/boy fall in love with a man, who sends her/him to court the one HE loves, but she falls in love with her/him instead....

any guesses on what this is?
 
I'm not biting, dear. I can't be the only non-lit major who knows the answer. Collectively, we're too smart for that...
 
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WriterDom said:
Fee-fi-fo-fum, I smell the blood of a Feminist. She probably wants to castrate the big bad wolf too.

I'm a stay at home mommy. I don't have any feminist ground to stand upon.


However, it would save the big bad wolf testicular cancer later in life if we neutered him young. :)
 
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