Expectations of a VE

Dinsmore

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I signed on to be a VE several months back. I’m primarily a writer, but editing one or two stories per week is helpful to me in improving my own writing.

As a writer I’ve had one or two problems with VEs, but have been very satisfied with my current relationship with my editor. It took a few attempts but I’ve found someone with whom I work well.

Good editing is hard work. I’ve received stories that were so insanely formatted that it took me over an hour to get them into a usable and readable format(hard line breaks drive me batty)…then another hour to dig through 2,000 word paragraphs, run on sentences, incomplete sentences, changes in voice and tense, glaring grammatical errors, misspellings that spell check would have caught, and so on.

So finally I get to a story I can actually read. Often the basic theme works, but the character development is weak, the visuals are lacking, the dialogue is stilted or even nonexistent, the plot is convoluted and the sex is unrealistic---or even preposterous. Depending on how weak the story is it can take me two or three hours, using the Word comment function, to truly edit the story line by line. Then it takes maybe another hour to provide an overall critique which isn’t crushing to the writer but provides valuable insights.

Often it would take far less time to simply rewrite the story but then it becomes my story and not the author’s and I’m not sure that that approach is constructive from a learning perspective.

Sometimes I just don’t like the theme; it’s not my kind of sex, I don’t like any of the characters or I can’t relate to the overall tone.

Having said all this I still enjoy editing stories with one big BUT: if you send me a very weak story and I spend half a day doing my job and then the next story you send me shows absolutely no improvement then I really don’t want to continue the editing relationship. I’m not here to make up for your disorganization or abject laziness as a writer.

The saddest thing I deal with is receiving a story that shows a complete lack of basic writing skills---let alone any real talent in writing narrative fiction. It’s particularly sad because the new writer obviously has a story to tell---maybe a story that needs to be told---but barely communicates at an elementary school level. An editor cannot replace glaring educational flaws.
 
This is an excellent posting

I have not yet taken the steps to become a fulltime VE, although I have worked for LadyCibelle as an assistant editor on several stories.

Your observations appear to be right on target.

I have a dream of turning out stories with real literary merit, readable for their interaction and human interest as well as for the sexual content. I may contact you whenever I finish a story and see what you have to say.

Most of my stories are very long and are broken up into chapters -- sometimes with a sex scene, sometimes without. I try to do the sex scenes as well as possible, but often I'll avoid them or put them off if they seem unmotivated at the time. I try to keep the sex scenes between married or common-law-married couples, so they will turn to each other for lovemaking just because they love one another.

I look forward to chatting with you some more.
 
You're my one and only...

"...but have been very satisfied with my current relationship with my editor. It took a few attempts but I’ve found someone with whom I work well."

You're my one and only...someday I'll tell you of my less than positive experiences.
 
RE: Captain Midnight

"Most of my stories are very long and are broken up into chapters -- sometimes with a sex scene, sometimes without. I try to do the sex scenes as well as possible, but often I'll avoid them or put them off if they seem unmotivated at the time. I try to keep the sex scenes between married or common-law-married couples, so they will turn to each other for lovemaking just because they love one another."

Sadly, on this venue, stories without sex. i.e., those submitted as, "non-erotic", don't seem to get read. The more I write the less important the sex becomes.

I'm working on one that will run upwards of 30,000 words and the sex doesn't come in until very late in the story. Many will enjoy the story for the sake of the story; some will be unhappy that it's not nastier. I've become attracted to the Romance category because the sex doesn't have to be quite as pervasive.

As I've indicated before, sometimes a nice, tight relatively short fuck story is fun to write and provides a bit of needed distraction when I need to break away from a long narrative.
 
Dinsmore said:
Sadly, on this venue, stories without sex. i.e., those submitted as, "non-erotic", don't seem to get read.
Perhaps that is because the readers come to this site looking for erotica? There are plenty of other good sites which specialise in non-erotic stories. Just try Googling "nice stories" and you will get over 17 million hits. A good site for non-erotic is sure to be among the hits on the first page. (Though maybe not the University of Nevada Press - Breathe Something Nice: Stories - Book publisher specializing in Basque studies.)
 
Dinsmore said:
The saddest thing I deal with is receiving a story that shows a complete lack of basic writing skills---let alone any real talent in writing narrative fiction. It’s particularly sad because the new writer obviously has a story to tell---maybe a story that needs to be told---but barely communicates at an elementary school level. An editor cannot replace glaring educational flaws.

I 'm not a VE, but I still review a story or two per week, mostly for friends, but sometimes for strangers. In a few of the latter cases, I have encountered the situation described above.

When I get a story that is, for lack of a better word, a mess, I don't even try to edit it. Instead I pick the most important issue as I see it and try to use examples to get that one point across to the writer. Next I direct the prospective author to some online resources before saying as politely as I can, "Here, you need to fix this, not me." If they come back with that fixed, it's on to the next issue, and so on. I don't do any real editing until they can give me something that's not a mess. What I've discovered so far is that those who aren't serious soon give up; thus I don't end up feeling like I threw hours and hours of my life away for nothing.
 
Penelope Street said:
I 'm not a VE, but I still review a story or two per week, mostly for friends, but sometimes for strangers. In a few of the latter cases, I have encountered the situation described above.

When I get a story that is, for lack of a better word, a mess, I don't even try to edit it. Instead I pick the most important issue as I see it and try to use examples to get that one point across to the writer. Next I direct the prospective author to some online resources before saying as politely as I can, "Here, you need to fix this, not me." If they come back with that fixed, it's on to the next issue, and so on. I don't do any real editing until they can give me something that's not a mess. What I've discovered so far is that those who aren't serious soon give up; thus I don't end up feeling like I threw hours and hours of my life away for nothing.

I like your attitude.

I also sympathize with the first poster. As a new writer with limited skills I don’t want to put an unnecessary burden on an editor. I don’t want the editor to do my work, I only want help. Point me in the right direction and I’ll do it myself.

Fortunately, I found a friend on another Lit forum who started guiding me in the right direction. The first thing she did after reading my work was recommend I buy a copy of Eats, Shoots and Leaves. Instead of spending hours correcting my work, she saw the help I needed and helped me find it.

I still have a long ways to go - but I'm trying.
 
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He (?) is cute isn't he? He's much better looking than I am. I suspect younger too. lol
 
Slowlane said:
... The first thing she did after reading my work was recommend I buy a copy of Eats, Shoots and Leaves. ...
If all the writers on Lit would follow suit AND READ THE BOOK then the VE programme could concentrate on helping with the writing, and spend much less time on the basic elements of written English.

Of course it would not help the dyslexic, of whom there seem to be many writing for Lit.
 
snooper said:
If all the writers on Lit would follow suit AND READ THE BOOK then the VE programme could concentrate on helping with the writing, and spend much less time on the basic elements of written English.

Of course it would not help the dyslexic, of whom there seem to be many writing for Lit.

It won’t make you perfect, but it helps.
The VEs should read it too. (Eats, Shoots and leaves) It's a fun read.
 
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