Euro2004 support thread

This is [part of] an article I read today in a magazine and that I wanted to share with you all (especially the English, Swedes and Dutch).

I translated it in a haste; forgive any language faults. :)



The Formula of the Penalty

Please don't tell me that Helder Postiga's penalty against England was a moment of class. That's not how to score a penalty on the day you play the fate of a country. His father had told him: "If you go to penalties, don't fool around." Postiga fooled around. In fact, he even failed the shot. He wanted it high and failed it. A slow high ball, yes, it will go in almost every time, when well executed, given enough time for the keeper to fall. If it's low, there's a 50% chance of missing. Postiga's penalty was, in fact, a juvenile irresponsibility. Deco's fascinated congratulation was a juvenile irresponsibility. The thought of Postiga being the only absolutely calm person in the Stadium da Luz was an irresponsibility-period. The comparisons with the penalties scored by Djalminha or Panenka, well... – the English journalists also compared Rooney with Pelé (and then with Ronaldo, when they were met with that try-to-grow-some-sense look), and we all saw how that ended.

I love penalties. Some of my finest football memories are of penalties: Ivkovic betting twice with Maradona, the best footballer I ever saw – and winning both times; Roberto Baggio, the artist, killing with a shot over the bar the best World Cup Italy had had since 1982; [...] Those are priceless memories. Epic. Perfect.

I always wish a knock-out match to go to penalties. Be it a Euro 2004 game, a Champions League final, or a married men vs. singles played at José Albino's tentadero in a bullfighting day in Terra Chã. The "golden goal" was an idiotic invention – an anthem to cold deception, an assault against apotheosis – and the "silver goal" was just an attempt to come clean. The reason why we should be happy with the latest changes to the Portuguese Cup's regulations is that: no more second match in case of a draw in the final and, therefore, the increased probability of a penalty shoot-out. It's 15 magical minutes. The players hugging in the big circle, the medical staff worried with the stretching and relaxation exercises, the managers with little papers in their hands, "stilled hearts" on the stands, as it's said on some chronicles I know – magical, all of it.

I do hope there's a penalty shoot-out tomorrow evening. Because that's what penalties are for: to be taken, to become goals. I always thought stupid to call them an injustice. A player doesn't score a penalty – he gets rid of it. Many will prefer to lose the match without missing their penalty over going through to the next round missing it. A penalty is an almost-goal, really – a compensation for the theft of a certain goal, if it happens during normal play; a eulogy for perfection, if it happens during a shoot-out. It isn't scoring it that makes a difference – it's to miss it. Yes, that's what penalties are: a eulogy for perfection. It's the reduction of the margin for error to the minimum, the entire game on the wire, no safety net, no backup cable. It's like writing on the computer, with all of Word's tools at your service: it raises the quality bar, pushes you to the limit.

I apologise if this text doesn't have "basculation", "lozenge vertex" or "transitional velocity" – all of what makes José Mourinho's comments true lessons in football. I know little of played football. But I do know penalties. I was "the fat kid", and as the fat goalkeeper, all I had left was to specialise in penalties. And I do know that a well taken penalty is indefensible. Every time. Told me so Dionísio, my youth coach: "You can specialise all you want, for every ten penalties I'll always score nine."

[...]

It would be Dionísio to teach me, years later, the formula of the penalty. The formula of the penalty is an equation of three variables. For us, the ones who know nothing of math, simply an addition. I'll enounce: strength + aim + dissimulation = goal. That is to say: a penalty that is taken with strength, is well aimed, and fools the keeper, is a goal, every time. OK, it's a simple idea. But it has intermediate considerations – mathematicians would call them "decompositions". A penalty that is strong and well aimed, rarely needs dissimulation. Dissimulate and strong can make do, in principle, without great care in aim. Well aimed and dissimulate and it will survive without strength. That is to say, two factors suffice. It's science at the service of art – yes, the penalty is the lowest common product of art and science.

As for Postiga's penalty, it had dissimulation and nothing else. And the only thing that saved him was the fourth factor, the one that doesn't take place in the equation – the only thing that, in truth, will always make art overshadow science. Yes, luck.

I do hope there's a penalty shoot-out tomorrow evening.
 
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Greece??

I dunno, go away for a while - had to leave the country after witnessing England's what-must-by-now-be-called-stereotypical dismissal from the competition (please see signature) - come back and Greece are in the finals having taken out France and Czech Rep!! :rolleyes:

Is there no stability in the world any more :confused: what are you laughing at?
 
Originally posted by Lauren Hynde
A little bit of Euro-History: :D

When these teams got past the group stages, they...

http://www.euro2004.com/ml/euro2004/images/flags/17X17/39.gif England

1968 - lost in SF to Yugoslavia*
1996 - lost in SF to Germany**


http://www.euro2004.com/ml/euro2004/images/flags/17X17/110.gif Portugal

1984 - lost in SF to France**
1996 - lost in QF to Czech Republic*
2000 - lost in SF to France**


* went on to lose in the final
** went on to win the tournament


It's plain to see that England's record is lacking a defeat in the QF at the hands of an eventual tournament champion. :eek:

Looks like you were right Lauren. Sorry to any Greeks out there, but I think the home advantage will swing it.
 
Lauren,

Interesting article. :)

One line in particular should be printed on the front page of all Dutch papers:

A player doesn't score a penalty – he gets rid of it.

:devil:
 
So today a very good competition comes to an end....

I hope it will be a good final since I have seen none of the intersting games in this Euro. :(

For some reason I think it would be nice seeing the Greek dream come true. You know, underdog, dark horse and all. I think Greece would celebrate forever if they win.

Then again, Portugal, being the host, would have a huge celebration orgy as well.
And I like the Portuguese football better (of course, since it's far more offensive and creative) So I guess I'd like to see the hosts take the cup even more.

All my predictions were pretty wrong so far but I'll make a last one nevertheless. I think Portugal will use the crowd and their abilities to win in a close match, maybe 'Silver Goal'.

Snoopy

P.S.: Too bad after this it'll be a month or so without footy. Does anyone know when the Olympic Games will start (if Greece will get ready for it)
 
Sorry Lauren, I'll be rooting for the greeks. We have a whole village of them here, and if Greece wins, they'll most likely throw parties until the Olympics starts. And then they'll party some more.

I like parties.
 
Lauren even told me that she wants the Greeks to win. No, wait... she told me that she wants me to want the Greeks to win...

Can I get an invite, Randi?
 
PaulUK said:
Can I get an invite, Randi?
BYOB
Bring Your Own Beef. Beer and Booze is most likely to be on the house tonight. They'll party even if they lose. Not just for as long.
 
Can you imagine what it would have been like if there had been a Greek vs Italy final? You wouldn't have been able to get a meal for a week...
 
PaulUK said:
Lauren even told me that she wants the Greeks to win. No, wait... she told me that she wants me to want the Greeks to win...

Can I get an invite, Randi?

I always want the Geeks to win, but that has nothing to do with football.

Snoopy
 
You won't be saying that in two years time, Snoop. Are we all invited to your place for 2006?
 
Oh, goody, goody. "Beer und Bratwurst."
Can I make that "Weisswein und Bratwurst"?

And best of all: sauerkraut.
Oooh,
aaah,
mmm, ...............
.........................
.........................
I'm coming!!!!!

:D
 
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Lauren

Thanks for that article, an interesting perspective. I will look a penalties differently in future.

You don't need it but, here's hoping for tonight.
 
Black Tulip said:
Lauren,

Interesting article. :)

One line in particular should be printed on the front page of all Dutch papers:

A player doesn't score a penalty – he gets rid of it.

:devil:
Just for the record, I hope there ISN'T a penalty shoot-out this evening. Unless we're losing in the second extra-time period. In that case penalties would be very welcome. :D
 
PaulUK said:
You won't be saying that in two years time, Snoop. Are we all invited to your place for 2006?

Hell yeah, I could have a great garden party with loads of England-, Portugal-, Holland-, France-, Greece- and Germany-supporters (if your countries all make it to the finals, hehe :devil: )

The place where I'm living now (my parents place) is actually not too far away from Hannover which holds one of the World Cup stadiums. But in two years time i'll probably living in southern Germany so it'll be a bit farther to the next Stadium I suppose.
But I'll definitely try to get tickets for at least one game. it'll be a great party for all the world in Germany. Yeah !!!

Black Tulip said:
Oh, goody, goody. "Beer und Bratwurst."
Can I make that "Weisswein und Bratwurst"?

And best of all: sauerkraut.
Oooh,
aaah,
mmm, ...............
.........................
.........................
I'm coming!!!!!

:D

Well German beer is pretty famous and good, but I'm a non-alcoholic so I couldn't tell.

But Sauerkraut ??? :p I don't like it. Bavarian food should not be mistaken for general german food. Bratwurst is pretty good and popular but Currywurst - Pommes is far better :)

Snoopy
 
SnoopDog said:
P.S.: Too bad after this it'll be a month or so without footy. Does anyone know when the Olympic Games will start (if Greece will get ready for it)
The Olympics will start on 13th August and last 'til the 29th.

It would be very cool if the football tournament ended up with a Greece vs. Portugal final. :D
 
Lauren Hynde said:
The Olympics will start on 13th August and last 'til the 29th.

It would be very cool if the football tournament ended up with a Greece vs. Portugal final. :D

Lol. Then all other nations could stop playing footy.

Thnx for the info.

Snoopy
 
After tonight, I can probably go a few weeks without football... at least until the excitement of wondering if Chelsea can buy the title off Arsenalchester United begins in August *yawn*.
 
Lauren Hynde said:
The Olympics will start on 13th August and last 'til the 29th.

It would be very cool if the football tournament ended up with a Greece vs. Portugal final. :D

Umm, I'm more interested in the football game from Rumple in the Literotica Olympics.

:devil:
 
SnoopDog said:
Lol. Then all other nations could stop playing footy.

Thnx for the info.

Snoopy
The only two other European teams in the tournament are Italy and Serbia-and-Montenegro. A Greece vs. Portugal final would be less of a stretch than in Euro2004. ;)
 
PaulUK said:
After tonight, I can probably go a few weeks without football... at least until the excitement of wondering if Chelsea can buy the title off Arsenalchester United begins in August *yawn*.

Arsenalchester United ? lol. :D Makes me think of this tv ad where Henry is playing footy at home with some other star players and when he looks into his closet there's the ManU team, going 'Boo'. I think it's hilarious. :D


Black Tulip said:
Umm, I'm more interested in the football game from Rumple in the Literotica Olympics.

:devil:

Well, I am too. then again I have only participated in the opening ceremony which makes me less interested.


Lauren Hynde said:
The only two other European teams in the tournament are Italy and Serbia-and-Montenegro. A Greece vs. Portugal final would be less of a stretch than in Euro2004. ;)

Is that true? Wow, you're pretty much informed I have to say.
Well in this case I'd WANT a Greece - Portugal final, but with a different winner than tonight....you know, fairness and stuff. :)

Snoopy, 3 hours 25 mins to go
 
SnoopDog said:
...
Well, I am too. then again I have only participated in the opening ceremony which makes me less interested...

Are you applying for a role in my still to be written piece?

:D :eek: :devil:

That would be the second, the thing for day 10 is already up for ages, waiting in the wings. ;)
 
Ok - settling down in a few mins with my Rose matuese and houmous - lets hope its more exciting than the opening match of the tournament - (wondering if its live or a repeat now - so im watching it on ITV cos they rarely do repeats on that side) - out of loyalty to my sexy favourite portuguese im going for the underdogs - prediction of my score is 1 - 1 at full time then it be 2 - 1 to portugal .
 
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