Erotica Humiliation

[mcfbridge]

As most of you know my stories tend to center around humiliating women. For those of you who find this erotic, which is more erotic. And for you women, which is more degrading.

Please note that the one option I'm not listing is a woman being physically forced to have sex. I don't know about anyone else, but I just can't see anything remotely erotic about forcible rape.

I much prefer stories about women being forced through their own mistakes to consent to do degrading things.

Anyway, curious what your choices would be and why.

 

[Guest]

"she-who-trolls-CV" is a teacher.

 

[neonlyte]

I find nothing of interest in the humiliation of women.

I'm recording my personal protest at what I regard to be an humiliating and offensive poll.


CV
Did you learn anything?

 

[wishfulthinking]

Always depends on context, rather than the form of humiliation I would think.

But I always get offended when I see polls asking about one sex only. What about humiliating blokes?

 

[wishfulthinking]

Always depends on context, rather than the form of humiliation I would think.

But I always get offended when I see polls asking about one sex only. What about humiliating blokes?

How come the word 'sex' came up underlined and blue? is this supposed to be an automated attention grabber?

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I find nothing of interest in the humiliation of women.

I'm with neon on this. The only kind of female humiliation I like in my stories is where the woman is forced to own up to her own sexual desires, and that's not so much humiliation as it is a mixture of shame and excitement. I find all that other stuff to be just too misogynistic and it turns me off.

---dr.M.

 

[CharleyH]

Perhaps it is the feminist in me, but I prefer the humiliation of men. Though I can't really say that I write about it.

 

[Guest]

I'm with neon on this. The only kind of female humiliation I like in my stories is where the woman is forced to own up to her own sexual desires, and that's not so much humiliation as it is a mixture of shame and excitement. I find all that other stuff to be just too misogynistic and it turns me off.

---dr.M.

I echo the good dr.'s sentiments here.
humiliation is very subjective thing. still, i have no desire to read stories about it. however, someone might read one of my stories and say that i have humiliation of the female character in it...personally, i didnt see it that way.

 

[goro goro]

Maybe you should have posted this poll in the BDSM forum. They seem more interested in humiliation as an erotic play.

 

[Guest]

 

[mcfbridge]

Well, I admit, I aimed the poll at female humiliation because that's what I write. It's not so much a sexist issue, as it's just that guys being humiliated doesn't interest me. As to the guy who commented that I may write more about degradation than humiliation, that may be true. I tend to include both.

Always depends on context, rather than the form of humiliation I would think.

But I always get offended when I see polls asking about one sex only. What about humiliating blokes?

 

[CharleyH]

Might be splitting hairs here, but there is a distinct difference between humiliation and degradation. It would seem to me that McF is really inclined to degaration.

Yes, I was thinking the same, and Vella touches on a point that it is personal. (I think we had this discussion before) Someone might very well find public exposure, or masturbation humiliating, but the exhbitionist/voyeur probably doesn't, and I have never thought of it as anything but . . . Insertable objects are not necessarily degrading, I think fisting for example, but rather part of sex, an act I find more intimate and beautiful than anything else, and also not necessarily a part of SM, though often associated.

 

[OhMissScarlett]

Always depends on context, rather than the form of humiliation I would think.

But I always get offended when I see polls asking about one sex only. What about humiliating blokes?

Humiliating blokes? That would be my area of expertise. It's very subtle, but I try to degrade at least one per story.

 

[Pure]

Demurrer to neon, mab, etc.

I know what you mean in that society enforces a certain amount of degradation, along with abuse and rape, etc. Still those seem like valid topics for stories (is nonconsent, in any form, a valid topic?) By the way I don't think there's a clear line between humiliation {the fine, healthy and approved stuff I write} and degradation {the bad, pathological, disapproved stuff you write}. Possibly there's a difference of intensity. Hence of (consensual) harm.

Personally I'd prefer to see a story of a man's humiliation or degradation. Go Miss Scarlet! Indeed this is far more 'realistic' in that men buy degradation from pro's all the time. (Women rarely, I['d think)

Doesn't that prove the point that it's a valid topic, i.e, the gender of the persons cannot be an objection. I.e, I don't want to read certain 'gay' male activities, BUT, with diferent actors, fine (e.g, felching). Hence it's a valid topic *both gay and straight* IMO.

I agree it might be better in BDSM, BUT author's is unmoderated, so the rules are pretty loose.

PS. Neon, I agree there is something a bit obnoxious about the wording of the poll. Possibly the suggestion of entertainment and self-advertising 'Come women, I'll give you what you need.' Does not strike me as sincere; more as adolescent. But again authors does not ban obnoxious or adolescent ravings, though I won't name names.

 

[brightlyiburn]

Generally only humiliation on a rather small scale, and only women. I don't really know why, it's not something I've psycho-analyzed yet, but I'm sure there's something in there.
I don't find the humiliation of men at all arousing. I think because of my father I have a strong, dominating image of men, and my automatic thought is that any man who allows himself to be pushed around is a wuss. Of course, I'm trying to work through that, but it's generally hard to do. I've never felt quite as safe as I did when I knew my father was there to protect me. My image of men seems to be stuck on "protector" and I don't like feeling as though I've got a man who would like, give me up to someone who wanted to rape me or something simply to save his own hide.

 

[neonlyte]

Demurrer to neon, mab, etc.

PS. Neon, I agree there is something a bit obnoxious about the wording of the poll. Possibly the suggestion of entertainment and self-advertising 'Come women, I'll give you what you need.' Does not strike me as sincere; more as adolescent. But again authors does not ban obnoxious or adolescent ravings, though I won't name names.

There were better ways to phrase the question for sure. The whole idea of degrading anybody as some kind of spectator sport should have stopped at the school gate. I conceed their is a place for humiliation within a private context and it can and does work in story format, but up on the stage for tips, no thanks.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I guess the litmus test for me is whether the person being humiliated is getting off on it. If they are, then that implies a certain level of consent and the kind of power-play you see in BDSM: the "treat me like a slut" kind of stuff.

If the humiliatee is not getting off on it, then it's a form of rape or degradation, and I don't care for that in my porn. I think it's essentially sadistic, and I'm just not into sadism.

---dr.M.

 

[NoJo]

I guess the litmus test for me is whether the person being humiliated is getting off on it. If they are, then that implies a certain level of consent and the kind of power-play you see in BDSM: the "treat me like a slut" kind of stuff.

If the humiliatee is not getting off on it, then it's a form of rape or degradation, and I don't care for that in my porn. I think it's essentially sadistic, and I'm just not into sadism.

---dr.M.

Humiliation is like extreme teasing. It can be erotic, as part of a game with well-defined rules. In stories, you don't need the safety net that you do in real life. So of course you can write about "real humiliation", because the safety net is that it's clearly fiction.

 

[Pure]

dr mab said,

Originally Posted by dr_mabeuse
I guess the litmus test for me is whether the person being humiliated is getting off on it. If they are, then that implies a certain level of consent and the kind of power-play you see in BDSM: the "treat me like a slut" kind of stuff.

If the humiliatee is not getting off on it, then it's a form of rape or degradation, and I don't care for that in my porn. I think it's essentially sadistic, and I'm just not into sadism.

Along the lines of Sub Joe, there are (possibly) two humilatees; the person in the story and the reader. The aim of porn and much erotica is to get the reader off, or excited in some way. So yes, the *reader* must enjoy it. Just as a horror movie. But the character might NOT enjoy it, and that might even be a precondition for the reader's enjoyment. (In a horror story or movie the CHARACTER is 'actually' [in the story] terrified, not 'scared-but-having-a-grand-old-exciting-time-of-it.')

Our hypothetical humilatee-character, Jill, can, in the story (writers and readers imagination) have a helluva bad time of it, feel mostly shame or whatever. As Sub Joe says, the 'protection' is that there is no Jill being given a helluva nasty time. Jack or Jane, the readers, though, may indeed feel the ('getting off') pleasure mabeuse speaks of.

The same applies to the nonconsent story; the Literotica fantasy 'classic' of course has 'victim' pleasure (after brief resistance) and also presumably reader pleasure. BUT, the harsher ('true') non consent stories--of which there are a few-- show fear, pain etc. IN THE CHARACTER. But presumably this does it for some readers. ((And it should almost go without saying that the readers pleasure in a given type of scene--be it humiliation or grim death-- is no index of his/her likelihood of *actually* bringing about the scene. The millions who enjoy Macbeth or Othello are 95%--just as in the general population--NOT dangerous folks.))

 

[OhMissScarlett]

I guess the litmus test for me is whether the person being humiliated is getting off on it. If they are, then that implies a certain level of consent and the kind of power-play you see in BDSM: the "treat me like a slut" kind of stuff.

If the humiliatee is not getting off on it, then it's a form of rape or degradation, and I don't care for that in my porn. I think it's essentially sadistic, and I'm just not into sadism.

---dr.M.

I absolutely agree. The humiliation I write about is totally between consenting parties. If it was not, that would ruin all the fun for me. For every male character who has been humiliated, I've made it apparent from the start that, no matter how arrogant, they were dirty whores who wanted it. You won't see me do it to a female character, which probably speaks volumes about me as a control freak.

 

[NoJo]

I absolutely agree. The humiliation I write about is totally between consenting parties. If it was not, that would ruin all the fun for me. For every male character who has been humiliated, I've made it apparent from the start that, no matter how arrogant, they were dirty whores who wanted it. You won't see me do it to a female character, which probably speaks volumes about me as a control freak.

"Consenting humiliation" is for real life. In fiction, I think it should go further.

 

[OhMissScarlett]

"Consenting humiliation" is for real life. In fiction, I think it should go further.

Come over here, Joe, I want to practice on you for "research".

 

[NoJo]

Come over here, Joe, I want to practice on you for "research".

Hokay... as long as we keep it cyber. I'm warning you, I have a terrible memory, I always forget safe words.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Hokay... as long as we keep it cyber. I'm warning you, I have a terrible memory, I always forget safe words.

I like "antidisestablishmentarianism." But you have to say it five times fast.

Shanglan

 

[Guest]

As most of you know my stories tend to center around humiliating women. For those of you who find this erotic, which is more erotic. And for you women, which is more degrading.

Please note that the one option I'm not listing is a woman being physically forced to have sex. I don't know about anyone else, but I just can't see anything remotely erotic about forcible rape.

I much prefer stories about women being forced through their own mistakes to consent to do degrading things.

Anyway, curious what your choices would be and why.

I voted for option one (BTDT!).

I think you've read my story "Public Humiliation" haven't you?

Going by the responses here, I must be one of the rare types, who does get off on being humiliated (but only mildly in public - different matter in private).

Lou