Enough is enough
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Purple Haze
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Nicole said:Purple Haze said:
Who are you first???
I am the Eggman.
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For those of you who care I'm going to respond to Raven's post about me and my private accusations of her supposed aliases. For those of you who don't care, and particularly for those of you who've grown as bored with this subject as I, here's a lovely little thread all about a lactation fetish: http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=16262
Now…
Raven is a very nice, interesting, intelligent, multi-talented girl who e-mailed me long ago about getting to know me better. She led me to her web site which was eclectic and interesting. She sent me her photo – very cute. We chatted about a few things, then I sort of dropped the ball, as I do with most cyber relationships. She was deeply concerned about some of the lies that were spreading about her on the BB, and she genuinely felt the situation an unsafe one. So she elected to leave, and Raven vanished from sight.
I supported her because I didn't have proof of anything. Was she Athos? I didn't know. And, frankly, it didn't seem to matter. Raven and Athos were no more prickly or testy than any of us have been. And we all use fake names. Many post under several different names – usually for a joke or to say something anonymously. So, even if Raven was Athos and wouldn't admit it and pissed off another member under that guise, it didn't matter to me. I wouldn't condemn her for something I thought trivial. I liked her. And there was no proof. So I supported her.
When Grey recently announced that Patryn had committed suicide, and was then accused of lying and being, in fact, Patryn, and Raven, and Athos and Leah, I also supported dropping the whole thing because empathetic feelings from other BB members were involved that I felt should be respected. And, again, there was the whole no proof thing. I asked for the proof. Show me the proof.
So now I have proof. Leah is Athos, Raven, Grey and Patryn. There's no doubt whatsoever in my mind. I'm not guessing. I know.
Raven contacted me earlier this week, after many, many months of having been long, long gone, because she read my name in one of the Patryn threads. I asked her to e-mail me if she was still around. Surprise, surprise, Raven has not been long, long gone, but has been here all along.
I posted because Raven and I always got along, and I thought maybe I could help her out, and because I suspected her of playing games with people's feelings. I thought I could do all this privately.
Anyway….
So she sent me a very nice e-mail, explaining that she was not Grey or Patryn – just Leah. But by then the proofs had been placed before me, and I was no longer in a chit-chatty mood, so I told her what I knew and I asked her to please come clean and make amends on the Board. I felt she owed it to those who had so urgently expressed sympathy for Patryn. In fact, I asked her three times in subsequent e-mails. I wanted to Leah to come forward. I still don't think she's done anything Godawful except in being a dope where the suicide story was concerned. I felt that a confession would allow her an opportunity to be forgiven, and she wouldn't have to be chased away from the Board.
But what I got was more backpedaling and half-truths and a thinly-veiled confession with lots of "Ifs" – "If I did this…" and "If I did that…" then "What's so terrible…?" and an explanation that many people share the computer system she's on and therefore many people have the same IP numbers, and maybe someone stole her name, etc. etc. etc.
Okay, now I'm starting to think she thinks I'm stupid.
She wanted to know what the "proof" was, demanding to see the "evidence" since she was on "trial" and why should I play "judge and jury".
A lot of legal words from someone who's raised this situation to the level of the Caine Mutiny. Leah feels that a man can't honestly wonder about something without being a "Paranoid Detective." He can't ask for moderation and truth without being a "Judge and Jury". He can't discuss a truly bizarre and interesting situation without "Having no life". He can't voice an opinion about her honesty without "Persecuting". It's all about her being crucified by others, when actually it's pretty normal curiosity about someone who's put all this into motion herself.
So, as far as showing the proof, I'll tell you what I told her: No.
Sharing the "proof" would involve other BB members. And just as I'm not about to give out Leah's e-mail address or web site address or anything about where she actually lives, nor am I about to publicly involve other people who don't want to be involved. (Suffice it to say that beyond the vast amount of circumstantial evidence you've all presented to us over the last week, and more available to anyone willing to go into the Way Back machine via the Search Engine, beyond all that, there are identical Real Names affixed to all her different User Names in a number of e-mail address boxes, and other electronic fingerprints that I've been made privy to, and which I've had myself for a long time.)
So, since I was unwilling to lay out an entire case of evidence against this poor girl I decided to bag it all and say nothing. Since I wasn't going to put my "evidence" money where my mouth was, I decided to practice what I preach, so to speak, and say nothing. Since I wasn't going to put up, I shut up.
Until Raven posted, that is. She questioned my integrity. I'm answering her. Leah is Athos is Raven is Grey is Patryn. There's no proof offered, but you could ask, "Who do I most believe?" It all comes down to faith. (Says the atheist. Damn. I hate irony.)
So, there you have my response to Leah's post (which she deleted, I know, but it's still there, quoted, on the Board, and she's responsible for that). Sorry for not being more forthcoming, but, hey, did you really want to read a long ass Columbo script?
Personally I feel that Leah is very troubled. I wouldn't go bagging on her too hard. She hasn't shot anyone, fer Chrissakes. Still, like she said at the top – "Enough's Enough".
[Edited by Dixon Carter Lee on 10-25-2000 at 01:26 PM]
Now…
Raven is a very nice, interesting, intelligent, multi-talented girl who e-mailed me long ago about getting to know me better. She led me to her web site which was eclectic and interesting. She sent me her photo – very cute. We chatted about a few things, then I sort of dropped the ball, as I do with most cyber relationships. She was deeply concerned about some of the lies that were spreading about her on the BB, and she genuinely felt the situation an unsafe one. So she elected to leave, and Raven vanished from sight.
I supported her because I didn't have proof of anything. Was she Athos? I didn't know. And, frankly, it didn't seem to matter. Raven and Athos were no more prickly or testy than any of us have been. And we all use fake names. Many post under several different names – usually for a joke or to say something anonymously. So, even if Raven was Athos and wouldn't admit it and pissed off another member under that guise, it didn't matter to me. I wouldn't condemn her for something I thought trivial. I liked her. And there was no proof. So I supported her.
When Grey recently announced that Patryn had committed suicide, and was then accused of lying and being, in fact, Patryn, and Raven, and Athos and Leah, I also supported dropping the whole thing because empathetic feelings from other BB members were involved that I felt should be respected. And, again, there was the whole no proof thing. I asked for the proof. Show me the proof.
So now I have proof. Leah is Athos, Raven, Grey and Patryn. There's no doubt whatsoever in my mind. I'm not guessing. I know.
Raven contacted me earlier this week, after many, many months of having been long, long gone, because she read my name in one of the Patryn threads. I asked her to e-mail me if she was still around. Surprise, surprise, Raven has not been long, long gone, but has been here all along.
I posted because Raven and I always got along, and I thought maybe I could help her out, and because I suspected her of playing games with people's feelings. I thought I could do all this privately.
Anyway….
So she sent me a very nice e-mail, explaining that she was not Grey or Patryn – just Leah. But by then the proofs had been placed before me, and I was no longer in a chit-chatty mood, so I told her what I knew and I asked her to please come clean and make amends on the Board. I felt she owed it to those who had so urgently expressed sympathy for Patryn. In fact, I asked her three times in subsequent e-mails. I wanted to Leah to come forward. I still don't think she's done anything Godawful except in being a dope where the suicide story was concerned. I felt that a confession would allow her an opportunity to be forgiven, and she wouldn't have to be chased away from the Board.
But what I got was more backpedaling and half-truths and a thinly-veiled confession with lots of "Ifs" – "If I did this…" and "If I did that…" then "What's so terrible…?" and an explanation that many people share the computer system she's on and therefore many people have the same IP numbers, and maybe someone stole her name, etc. etc. etc.
Okay, now I'm starting to think she thinks I'm stupid.
She wanted to know what the "proof" was, demanding to see the "evidence" since she was on "trial" and why should I play "judge and jury".
A lot of legal words from someone who's raised this situation to the level of the Caine Mutiny. Leah feels that a man can't honestly wonder about something without being a "Paranoid Detective." He can't ask for moderation and truth without being a "Judge and Jury". He can't discuss a truly bizarre and interesting situation without "Having no life". He can't voice an opinion about her honesty without "Persecuting". It's all about her being crucified by others, when actually it's pretty normal curiosity about someone who's put all this into motion herself.
So, as far as showing the proof, I'll tell you what I told her: No.
Sharing the "proof" would involve other BB members. And just as I'm not about to give out Leah's e-mail address or web site address or anything about where she actually lives, nor am I about to publicly involve other people who don't want to be involved. (Suffice it to say that beyond the vast amount of circumstantial evidence you've all presented to us over the last week, and more available to anyone willing to go into the Way Back machine via the Search Engine, beyond all that, there are identical Real Names affixed to all her different User Names in a number of e-mail address boxes, and other electronic fingerprints that I've been made privy to, and which I've had myself for a long time.)
So, since I was unwilling to lay out an entire case of evidence against this poor girl I decided to bag it all and say nothing. Since I wasn't going to put my "evidence" money where my mouth was, I decided to practice what I preach, so to speak, and say nothing. Since I wasn't going to put up, I shut up.
Until Raven posted, that is. She questioned my integrity. I'm answering her. Leah is Athos is Raven is Grey is Patryn. There's no proof offered, but you could ask, "Who do I most believe?" It all comes down to faith. (Says the atheist. Damn. I hate irony.)
So, there you have my response to Leah's post (which she deleted, I know, but it's still there, quoted, on the Board, and she's responsible for that). Sorry for not being more forthcoming, but, hey, did you really want to read a long ass Columbo script?
Personally I feel that Leah is very troubled. I wouldn't go bagging on her too hard. She hasn't shot anyone, fer Chrissakes. Still, like she said at the top – "Enough's Enough".
[Edited by Dixon Carter Lee on 10-25-2000 at 01:26 PM]
I'll make one last comment on this and then bow out semi-gracefully and let it die.
You can believe me, you can believe Dixon, or you can believe neither. It's entirely up to all of you. Neither he or I have offered any concrete proof, which is the reason I did question his integrity. "Just because I know" isn't much proof. Neither is "I assure you it wasn't me". This is just turning into a pissing contest that's going nowhere, which is why I just want to let it die beyond this point.
Since Dixon seems to feel I'm taking this in legal terms, consider this my closing argument, I suppose.
I'm not troubled, I simply didn't do anything wrong. I lurked. That makes me troubled? I saw his post and replied. That's all.
He's never made any admission that what I say is even possible, even though it is. We're just supposed to believe him, and I'm asking you to believe me. Until one of us coughs up proof, which I really can't do at the moment and he doesn't want to, it's much ado about nothing.
I admitted to one lie, where I lied about my real name, and Dixon, if I could ask you to edit your post and remove my last name before it gets seen by too many people, I'd appreciate that. You value your personal privacy, you wouldn't even tell me your first name for the love of god and you can splash mine on the board? Uh uh, I don't think so.
But anyway, I'm bowing out of all this. We all have been behaving like little kids, and it's just stupid.
I am and was upset with the fact that if he were merely curious, he would have contacted me and asked, not taken up this cause to expose me to the board. It had nothing to do with him, and he butted in simply because it was his friends who are being "hurt" this time. We're all adults here, and it's high time we clean our own houses, deal with our own problems, make our own decisions and start behaving like adults.
That's about all I can say. Take care everyone.
You can believe me, you can believe Dixon, or you can believe neither. It's entirely up to all of you. Neither he or I have offered any concrete proof, which is the reason I did question his integrity. "Just because I know" isn't much proof. Neither is "I assure you it wasn't me". This is just turning into a pissing contest that's going nowhere, which is why I just want to let it die beyond this point.
Since Dixon seems to feel I'm taking this in legal terms, consider this my closing argument, I suppose.
I'm not troubled, I simply didn't do anything wrong. I lurked. That makes me troubled? I saw his post and replied. That's all.
He's never made any admission that what I say is even possible, even though it is. We're just supposed to believe him, and I'm asking you to believe me. Until one of us coughs up proof, which I really can't do at the moment and he doesn't want to, it's much ado about nothing.
I admitted to one lie, where I lied about my real name, and Dixon, if I could ask you to edit your post and remove my last name before it gets seen by too many people, I'd appreciate that. You value your personal privacy, you wouldn't even tell me your first name for the love of god and you can splash mine on the board? Uh uh, I don't think so.
But anyway, I'm bowing out of all this. We all have been behaving like little kids, and it's just stupid.
I am and was upset with the fact that if he were merely curious, he would have contacted me and asked, not taken up this cause to expose me to the board. It had nothing to do with him, and he butted in simply because it was his friends who are being "hurt" this time. We're all adults here, and it's high time we clean our own houses, deal with our own problems, make our own decisions and start behaving like adults.
That's about all I can say. Take care everyone.
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Makes you wonder don't it?????
DLC and Raven - one and the same?????
Nah! Nope! Couldn't be.
DLC and Raven - one and the same?????
Nah! Nope! Couldn't be.
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I won't even get into where I work, how insecure it actually is, and how someone else could have used my ID or e-mail and had a little fun.
Just for future reference, if anyone is worried about this, then you can arrange it so that you have to enter your username and password each and every time you post. Then, if anyone wants to take your persona and "have a little fun," they can't, unless they know your password.
Also, something just occurred to me. If someone ever borrowed my name and posted pretending to be me, you can be damn sure that if I found out, I'd quote the post(s) and make sure everyone was clear on the fact that someone was pretending to be me. Then I would go about changing my password.
Also, how kosher is it to be accessing the bulletin board from work anyway? I'm sure it depends on everyone's individual job situation, but knowing the amount of time it takes me to compose posts, I just wonder if some people aren't out there collecting a paycheck so they can have fun here. Shit, I'd never be able to break my addiction if I was getting a salary for coming to Literotica!
Just for future reference, if anyone is worried about this, then you can arrange it so that you have to enter your username and password each and every time you post. Then, if anyone wants to take your persona and "have a little fun," they can't, unless they know your password.
Also, something just occurred to me. If someone ever borrowed my name and posted pretending to be me, you can be damn sure that if I found out, I'd quote the post(s) and make sure everyone was clear on the fact that someone was pretending to be me. Then I would go about changing my password.
Also, how kosher is it to be accessing the bulletin board from work anyway? I'm sure it depends on everyone's individual job situation, but knowing the amount of time it takes me to compose posts, I just wonder if some people aren't out there collecting a paycheck so they can have fun here. Shit, I'd never be able to break my addiction if I was getting a salary for coming to Literotica!
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Sorry about the last name, Raven -- that was an error.
[Edited by Dixon Carter Lee on 10-25-2000 at 01:27 PM]
[Edited by Dixon Carter Lee on 10-25-2000 at 01:27 PM]
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And?...
Raven said:
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Man just get some help will you. You are wasting your life living it this way. All this drama is not going to make your problems go away. You don't have to say shit to anyone on this board but please start by telling just one person in your life the whole truth. You are walking down a ugly path so stop now and ask for help. Life is too short kiddo do not waste it.
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HOT DAMN THIS IS INTERESTING....
Well Siren/Chatmic, you being the absolute master of manipulation on this board should know, shouldn't you?
Siren said:
Well Siren/Chatmic, you being the absolute master of manipulation on this board should know, shouldn't you?
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Amen brotha man.
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Re: HOT DAMN THIS IS INTERESTING....
I second that.
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I second that.
Siren please forgive
I don't come here for as long anymore, I spend my time writing instead. Gets my mind off some of this petty shit too.
I will admit that this whole Patryn/whomever thing has me confused, and I agree like a lot of others that she/he does need some form of help.
However I will say that with all my diffrences with Siren (all on my side I am fully aware mind you), that she hasn't manipulated people like Patryn/Grey has.
Even if Siren was Chatmic (which I'm not fully aware of), Chatmic from my knowledge didn't ask for sympathy either.
I think we all need to just leave the subject of Troll's and what not alone for ... oh lets say a week, although I know full well that won't happen.
Siren yes we have disagreed but I don't think you deserved this attack.
I don't come here for as long anymore, I spend my time writing instead. Gets my mind off some of this petty shit too.
I will admit that this whole Patryn/whomever thing has me confused, and I agree like a lot of others that she/he does need some form of help.
However I will say that with all my diffrences with Siren (all on my side I am fully aware mind you), that she hasn't manipulated people like Patryn/Grey has.
Even if Siren was Chatmic (which I'm not fully aware of), Chatmic from my knowledge didn't ask for sympathy either.
I think we all need to just leave the subject of Troll's and what not alone for ... oh lets say a week, although I know full well that won't happen.
Siren yes we have disagreed but I don't think you deserved this attack.
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Booooooooo! Hissssssssss!
Chatmic/Siren dear, you have been manipulating people since you first came on the board. You are always amongst those shouting the loudest, pointing out peoples faults. Always!
Why don't you practice just a little of what you preach so loudly on this board, dear?
Chatmic/Siren dear, you have been manipulating people since you first came on the board. You are always amongst those shouting the loudest, pointing out peoples faults. Always!
Why don't you practice just a little of what you preach so loudly on this board, dear?
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OK what? Now Patryn is everyone? I don't want to be the one playing devils advocite here, but you people are just going nuts with this shyte. I'm sure Dixon or Deborah or one of the other masterminds of this board would be happy ot tell you if your right or not. Seems you don't evere want to come to this place without using a proxy. Never know who you might be next.
And Siren, shuttup. Do us all a favor. Hang yourself from the mizenmast instead.
And Siren, shuttup. Do us all a favor. Hang yourself from the mizenmast instead.
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It's people like you who keep these neverending wars going. So why don't YOU just shut the fuck up?
It's people like you who keep these neverending wars going. So why don't YOU just shut the fuck up?
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