Enjoying others' misfortune--schadenfreude

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The finding below might be seen as 'less empathy,' but it could also be seen as the males' sense of justice as being paramount. --pure

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060118/sc_nm/science_revenge_dc

Men enjoy others' misfortune more than women [do] -study

By Patricia Reaney
Wed Jan 18, 1:10 PM ET



LONDON (Reuters) - Germans have a word for it -- schadenfreude -- and when it comes to getting pleasure from someone else's misfortune, men seem to enjoy it more than women.

Such is the conclusion reached by scientists at University College London in what they say is the first neuroscientific evidence of schadenfreude.

Using brain-imaging techniques, they compared how men and women reacted when watching other people suffer pain.

If the sufferer was someone they liked, areas of the brain linked to empathy and pain were activated in both sexes.

Women had a similar response if they disliked the person experiencing the pain but men showed a surge in the reward areas of the brain.

"The women had a diminished empathic response," said Dr Klaas Enoo Stephan, a co-author of the report. "But it was still there, whereas in the men it was completely absent," he added in an interview.

The scientists, who reported their findings in the journal Nature, said the research shows that empathic responses in men are shaped by the perceived fairness of others.

"Empathic responses to other people are not automatic, as has been assumed in the past, but depend on the emotional link to the person who is observed suffering," Stephan said.

In the two-part study, 32 men and women volunteers played a game in which they exchanged money with four other people who were actors playing a part.

The actors were either fair characters, who returned equal amounts of cash that have been given to them, or unfair people who gave little or no money back to the volunteers.

In the second part of the experiment, the volunteers were placed in magnetic imaging brain scanners as they watched the actors receiving a mild electric shock, similar to a bee sting.

The scientists measured reactions of the volunteers in areas of the brain associated with pain and empathy and reward while the actors experienced pain.

The responses shown in the brain images were backed up with questionnaires filled in by the volunteers. Men admitted to having a much higher desire for revenge than women and derived satisfaction from seeing the unfair person being punished.

"We will need to confirm these gender differences in larger studies because it is possible the experimental design favored men as there was a physical rather than psychological or financial threat involved," said Dr Tania Singer, who led the study.
 
The finding below might be seen as 'less empathy,' but it could also be seen as the males' sense of justice as being paramount. --pure

A "feminined" culture *ducking* might see it as the former... :x
funny how the article slants it the way it does... isn't it?
How things get slanted and we don't even realize they are, it's so much a part of our culture that things askew look level?

I think you are closer to the actual core of the matter, though, Pure... the masculine wouldn't tolerate such an injustice.
 
I thought it was just because men are sick twists. I used to shock my little brother just to watch him jump.

It was only 12 volts, it didn't leave any permanent marks, but he does enter rooms very cautiously now......
 
Is there a German word for....

"Hey... my life sucks... but not like that dude's! In fact, compared to him, I'm fucking doing okay!!!"

Sincerely,
ElSol
 
elsol said:
Is there a German word for....

"Hey... my life sucks... but not like that dude's! In fact, compared to him, I'm fucking doing okay!!!"

Sincerely,
ElSol

der Drecksack
 
We Germans have a word for everything....

....

.... except for fluffy. ( :) ok, who gets this joke? )


Snoopy, German Hund
 
To me, since I believe in karma, I have zero empathy for scum in trouble. But that may just be me.
 
SelenaKittyn said:
A "feminined" culture *ducking* might see it as the former... :x
funny how the article slants it the way it does... isn't it?
How things get slanted and we don't even realize they are, it's so much a part of our culture that things askew look level?

I think you are closer to the actual core of the matter, though, Pure... the masculine wouldn't tolerate such an injustice.

A culture that was not feminized, and had more of a balance of masculine and feminine energy than ours, probably wouldn't be interested in such a study as this.

Culturally, we're still interested in differentiating between the masculine and feminine. We haven't come fully to the point of integrating masculine and feminine yet, although that seems to be entering the collective cultural consciousness. We are still awaiting that hundredth monkey that will tip the idea of humans having both feminine and masculine aspects into our cultural consciousness.

There is little evidence in our cultural consciousness that we know or care what deep masculine or feminine qualities are. Once we have reached the level of integration and balance culturally w ecan then begin bringing the masculine and feminine back together in conscious and sacred union.

Wonder what our culture would look like if it were rooted in such a union?

The study is slanted in many ways. Women tend to focus on relationship in life, which makes empathy a more valuable resource to them. Men tend to focus on taking action to accomplish tasks in life, which makes empathy less valuable and keeping order more valuable. Men will tend to see a person who is hurting another as a threat and will take action mor eoften to protect the order they value in the present and future.

Revenge is not necessarily a bad thing, unless one lives in a feminized culture. yet, the study implies that retributuion for an offense is of less value than empathy and is devoid of emptahy. Revenge can come form a place of deep love for others and can be be an act of protection. Which brings up another problem with the study...men will tend to show more empathy for the group than women. So, which KIND of emptahy are they measuring, or which KIND are they biased toward or against?

Like Heisenberg said, there's no such thing as absolute objectivity. Better to acknowledge our agendas and the biases of our studies than to pretend they don't exist. Any study may say more about the person/people pursuing it than about the nature of reality.
 
I hope Dr Klaas Enoo Stephan slips on a banana skin and bruises his bottom.
 
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