Enforced Sluthood

[dr_mabeuse]

I've written a lot of sexual fantasy stories for women, and one of the most common themes I'm asked for is a situation where the woman is somehow forced to act like a slut, or is 'discovered' engaging in overtly sexual behavior, and then (usually) punished sexually for it.

This enforced sluthood scenario is kind of unique to women. I haven't come across any men who have it, and I assume that's because it has to do with the woman's desire to express her sexuality in a society which has strong sanctions against her doing so. There aren't any social sanctions against a man showing his sexuality.

I've asked these women if that's what this is all about, but I've never gotten a definite answer. I was wondering if there's anyone here who shares that fantasy and could explain it.

---dr.M.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I don't know if the answer is that simple, or if one answer would fit all. I have never had a problem with expressing my sexuality, (though I have usually been discreet more than loud and showy due to that being my nature overall) and never cared too much that some parts of society frowned on it, so for me it is not as some women express in that it gives them the freedom, or permission, to explore without fear of retribution, or for others, the knowing they would be punished so the sin's absolved.

In my instance, my fantasies around this theme have always revolved around the lifestyle type scenario's where the turn on factor is nearly, if not completely 100%, down to being controlled by the one who owns me. For me that means training me to act in a way which is not my pattern, as in casual sex in an overt way, sexual useage of my body, and servicing other's for their pleasure alone with no consideration to my pleasure. The reality has proven to be fairly close to the fantasy to this point, with my hating the sexual act with a stranger, but loving the position of being used and controlled by Master.

Catalina

 

[Etoile]

Doesn't this depend on how you define slut? The only dictionary definitions I've found are:

slut
n 1: a dirty untidy woman [syn: {slattern}, {slovenly woman}, {trollop}]
2: a woman adulterer [syn: {adulteress}, {fornicatress}, {hussy},
{jade}, {loose woman}, {strumpet}, {trollop}]

Main Entry: slut
Pronunciation: 'sl&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English slutte
Date: 15th century
1 chiefly British : a slovenly woman
2 a : a promiscuous woman; especially : PROSTITUTE b : a saucy girl : MINX
- sluttish /'sl&-tish/ adjective
- sluttishly adverb
- sluttishness noun
- slutty /'sl&-tE/ adjective

*** Definition (c) Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. Visit http://www.m-w.com/.

I don't know how I define it, personally. Is a slut a woman who just enjoys sex? Does she have to have sex with a lot of men? With men she doesn't know? Does she act as a whore/prostitute but just doesn't get paid?

 

[s'lara]

Well i think dm is asking whether the motivation behind this kind of fantasy, enforced sluthood, is primarily a femme-oriented idea and whether it is something we (femmes) fantasize about due to the strictures society places on women in general.

Slut is usually defined as a woman of loose morals or no morals. i think the fantasy is popular because the idea of having sexual freedom with many partners is exciting while the 'enforced' part is about eschewing the guilt for behaving in a manner that is deemed sluttish by general consensus.

For me, it is about the force. The act, whether it be sexual or not, is inconsequential. However, the enforcement of will is what works and works well.

lara

 

[Bachlum Chaam]

Dr M may I enquire as to your own thought on why?

For my own part I believe it is being able to give up all responsability whilst maintaining the facade that its not her fault.
Due to societies demands on them due to womens rights etc. Which is against how it had been for tens of thousands of years, tis merely an extension of that need that has been repressed

 

[Netzach]

Ummm, sorry but you guys probably aren't privy to the same interactions I am with male subs...

I would say that slutty behavior and clothing, sexually being put on display and even being sent out to do sexual things kind of "outside" the norm is a fantasy that turns a lot of guys on, and a reality for the brave, the few, the bold.

Interestingly, it's often feminine clothing and reference that a man *defines* as slutty. Panties are slutty. High heels are slutty. Driving around in panties is slutty, with your fly down it's just 'embarrassing" So, yes, there's really no definition for the word "slut" that is not dependent on a feminine context. The word inherently feminizes the male subject, and this I find really interesting and kind of rich territory to play in.

Tell a guy you're going to pimp him out, make him a whore, put him on his knees at glory holes, make him a SLUT and the right kind of guy is going to get hard, 0-60 in .05 seconds flat.

Being lent out as a party favor, to females, to males....common fantasy fodder.


In answer to Bachlum Chaam, I think this arises from decades and centuries of sexist oppression that forces men into a postition of neurosis-spinning responsibility, and the desire is for passivity as a break from the power position.

Ok, I don't really think that, or that it's ONLY that.

 

[Bachlum Chaam]

My lady Netzach you may well be right, thank you for enlightening me on the male sub behaviour. I think I have been wrong once before in my life mayhap when I was an infant

 

[Shadowsdream]

The slut fantasy is as deeply ingrained in the male as in the female. I have also found it a given in the male that is kinked around feminization to even the smallest degree but have not found the fantasy to only be that of the male with feminine desires.
Almost every male I have trained no matter how macho he may be, turns into a whimpering mass of quivering slut at the mere mention of enforced use as a sexual object.
Being sexually objectified has not been only the fantasy of the femine male in My experience. Nor the male that is panty oriented to put it simply.
Giving up the responsibility of sexual choice seems to open the flood gate of slut desires.

 

[Lady Emerald]

I've written a lot of sexual fantasy stories for women, and one of the most common themes I'm asked for is a situation where the woman is somehow forced to act like a slut, or is 'discovered' engaging in overtly sexual behavior, and then (usually) punished sexually for it.

This enforced sluthood scenario is kind of unique to women. I haven't come across any men who have it, and I assume that's because it has to do with the woman's desire to express her sexuality in a society which has strong sanctions against her doing so. There aren't any social sanctions against a man showing his sexuality.

I've asked these women if that's what this is all about, but I've never gotten a definite answer. I was wondering if there's anyone here who shares that fantasy and could explain it.

---dr.M.

This a response I posted on https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=199455
It highlights the different responses to the same question; in one case the questioner is male, in the other, female. I think its an interesting angle to the question you pose.

"This is a very interesting topic--and one being discussed with much energy on another thread at the moment.
https://forum.literotica.com/...hreadid=200608.

Erotic gets a few lighthearted good wishes and a reading list----the other thread shows a different response, much talk of cheating, selfishness, being uncaring towards one's partner--even being a cliche.

Anyone care to comment : compare and contrast the different responses to the same question and give your reasons why that might be so???"

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Re: Re: Enforced Sluthood

This a response I posted on https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=199455
It highlights the different responses to the same question; in one case the questioner is male, in the other, female. I think its an interesting angle to the question you pose.

"This is a very interesting topic--and one being discussed with much energy on another thread at the moment.
https://forum.literotica.com/...hreadid=200608.

Erotic gets a few lighthearted good wishes and a reading list----the other thread shows a different response, much talk of cheating, selfishness, being uncaring towards one's partner--even being a cliche.

Anyone care to comment : compare and contrast the different responses to the same question and give your reasons why that might be so???"

I think you are a slut...











...or could be, with the right training!

 

[catalina_francisco]

Re: Re: Enforced Sluthood

Erotic gets a few lighthearted good wishes and a reading list----the other thread shows a different response, much talk of cheating, selfishness, being uncaring towards one's partner--even being a cliche.

Anyone care to comment : compare and contrast the different responses to the same question and give your reasons why that might be so???"

All the links you posted did not work here, but from the description,. I would think the cheating discussion you are referring to had nothing to do with enforced sluthood, but was more about what to do when your SO is not into BDSM as you are. Sorry if I am mistaken in my guess. The SO thread really is a quite different situation to enforced sluthood as I understand it. One is talking bout how to get satisfied when obligated to one who does not share your desires, the other situation is a circumstane where a partner forces their submissive into a role usually as an exercise in submission and control. So that is my 2 cents worth of compare and contrast.

C

 

[s'lara]

Going to have to agree with C.

The concept of enforced sluthood is quite different from the discussion in the thread regarding cheating. i believe dr. was speaking of a couple already established in a BDSM relationship and their activities in the enforced sluthood arena. It does not appear to me that he was referring to forcing a SO to be a slut even if they are not into BDSM.

lara

 

[SallyIsHere]

not always about control

Being a slut can be about more than control. It can just be about loving sex, becoming free, confessing your dark desires to another, wanting to give in, submit but not necessarily to someone but just to yourself. The "getting caught" part may be how that door is opened to your confession.

Just my thoughts.

Sal

 

[catalina_francisco]

Re: not always about control

Being a slut can be about more than control. It can just be about loving sex, becoming free, confessing your dark desires to another, wanting to give in, submit but not necessarily to someone but just to yourself. The "getting caught" part may be how that door is opened to your confession.

Just my thoughts.

Sal

This is true in part, though that concept takes away the enforced element which is where the control comes in. Similarly, loving sex, does not necessarily mean someone adopts slutlike behaviour. Master finds the attraction lies in a big part in the fact I do enjoy sex, but behaving as a slut is not a chosen facet of my personality, so it gives him lots to play with to use me in this way knowing how difficult it is at every moment, and how much that difficulty works for both of us. Is very much a mind thing.

Catalina

 

[dr_mabeuse]

In response to Shadwsdream: I must confess that I never considered the appeal that being "shopped out" as a sex object may have to a male sub. In my experience, men are just so eager to get their rocks off with anyone that being forced to sexually service a woman just seems worlds away from what a female sub might feel being forced to do the same with other men.

But really, I wasn't even thinking in terms of being made to sexually serve another when I brought this up. I think of enforced sluthood as just being forced to dress and act in an exaggeratedly overt way, and I'm not even sure if this could be done with a man. (It's well known that there is no word for a man that corresponds to "whore" or "slut". "Giggolo" just doesn't make it, and "stud" has positive connotations.)

To Bachlum Chaam I'd say, no, I don't think this is any sort of reaction to the woman's movement. I do think it has everything to do with a woman's own abiguous feelings about acting overtly sexual in this society.

But I'd hasten to add that I think most of the pressure to suppress her own sexually aggressive feelings comes more from herself and from other women than it does from men. I've heard men call a woman a whore out of anger or hurt, but I've only heard other women use the term as a judgment on another woman's sexual morals, and one of the most common complaints men make about women is that they're not sexually aggresive enough. When an obviously sexual woman comes into a room it's not the men who start muttering about her under their breath; it's the women. WOmen just seem to be more innately judgmental about another woman's show of sexuality than men are.

So I think the appeal of enforced sluthood is that it gives the woman the ability to act sexually while letting her avoid her own negative self-judgment.

---dr.M.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Don't know if I totally agree with men not negatively judge\ing women for such behaviour. Have been on the receiving end from men myself in the past, the first being the one I gave my virginity too after several months of pressure from him...he was disappointed I would allow him to have his way out of love. Added to that I grew up around men and boys who would proclaim they would slep wit such women but did not see them as nice women or the sort you would bother marrying. But yes, women also judge, sometimes I think just to make their own image look good to men.

Catalina

 

[Netzach]

In response to Shadwsdream: I must confess that I never considered the appeal that being "shopped out" as a sex object may have to a male sub. In my experience, men are just so eager to get their rocks off with anyone that being forced to sexually service a woman just seems worlds away from what a female sub might feel being forced to do the same with other men.

But really, I wasn't even thinking in terms of being made to sexually serve another when I brought this up. I think of enforced sluthood as just being forced to dress and act in an exaggeratedly overt way, and I'm not even sure if this could be done with a man. (It's well known that there is no word for a man that corresponds to "whore" or "slut". "Giggolo" just doesn't make it, and "stud" has positive connotations.)



There is. It's "whore" and "slut."

And the man in question might not only be shopped out to other women.

Or he'd also be forced to advertise his sexuality differently via visual clues, dress and demeanor, but not comfortably masculine ones.

As for the murmur of female disdain when "an overtly sexual woman" walks in, well, guys tend to talk about what a tool the one who makes the most money at a given gathering is. It's all about perceptions of power.

I find it kind of interesting that "slut" is seen in the SM world mainly as a vulnerable position for a woman. It can also be a massive power position, and I like to play there a lot. Sirens. Femmes Fatales. Man's Ruin. All very sexual, all keenly aware of how to work that to their advantage.

 

[dragonhearted]

To Bachlum Chaam I'd say, no, I don't think this is any sort of reaction to the woman's movement. I do think it has everything to do with a woman's own abiguous feelings about acting overtly sexual in this society.

But I'd hasten to add that I think most of the pressure to suppress her own sexually aggressive feelings comes more from herself and from other women than it does from men. I've heard men call a woman a whore out of anger or hurt, but I've only heard other women use the term as a judgment on another woman's sexual morals, and one of the most common complaints men make about women is that they're not sexually aggresive enough. When an obviously sexual woman comes into a room it's not the men who start muttering about her under their breath; it's the women. WOmen just seem to be more innately judgmental about another woman's show of sexuality than men are.

---dr.M.

I agree with dr. M...I am a flirt. I attract men whereever I go, despite my size. I get dirty looks from other women if I should act like I enjoy the attention at all.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I agree with dr. M...I am a flirt. I attract men whereever I go, despite my size. I get dirty looks from other women if I should act like I enjoy the attention at all.

Oh I wouldn't worry about the women too much while trying to juggle so many men...that would consume my concentration and attention entirely.

C

 

[ownedsubgal]

i agree with most of the reasons listed for the enforced slut fantasy being so popular among women...although, i cannot say that i've ever had such a fantasy myself. i'm a slut by nature, it's not something i try to be or am forced to be, i just am. i'm not sexually aggressive or blatantly sexual in the least...in all truth, i've had many assume i was a virgin or something close to it, based on their surface (impersonal) interaction with me. however when it comes down to the grit of it, if a man makes sexual advances towards me, i give in. always. always. so, by definition i am a slut. therefore it wouldn't really be possible for someone to "force" me to be a slut. my Master could force me to act in some bold aggressive way, completely against my nature, or force me to dress in a revealing overtly sexual manner, but as for being an actual slut, that is already there and always has been.

 

[esclave_PP]

I agree with ownedsubgal -- even one of Master's pet names for me is his little slut. I think it's inherent in our service that the term is thrown around and used, much like we are for pleasure. The whole idea of having many men or being farmed out is a fantasy for many women, because it seems like it would be like being in a candy store. There is a great story in the bdsm category but I cant remember which it is where a slave is farmed out to a whole mess of men -- was very hot and erotic.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Don't think I equate it to being in a candy store.......the only man I want in any way is Master so to submit in this way takes a lot of willpower and constant reminder of who I am doing it for.

Catalina

 

[esclave_PP]

Yes I don't want any man except Master, although he lets me play with as many females as I wish (hooray!). But if he asked me to I would, I wouldn't disobey him. It would always be for him, and not my pleasure. Does that seem weird?

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

Yes I don't want any man except Master, although he lets me play with as many females as I wish (hooray!). But if he asked me to I would, I wouldn't disobey him. It would always be for him, and not my pleasure. Does that seem weird?

Not at all. IMO, that is what a D/s relationship is all about. Service--and service, to me, is not putting self before one's Dominant. That is what defines and shapes my submission and my relationship with Him. I don't question it, find it weird, worry whether others think I'm bizarre or whatever--it works for me, for us, and that's all that really matters.

So, no...it doesn't seem weird. Whatever works.

~anelize

 

[Etoile]

Yes I don't want any man except Master, although he lets me play with as many females as I wish (hooray!).

Is this the part where I don't mention that same-sex cheating is still cheating? http://www.amanita.net/images/smilies/devil.gif http://www.amanita.net/images/smilies/evilsmile.gif