Egypt: Now what? Civil war?

[KingOrfeo]

Mass protests against President Morsi have been going on since June 30.

On 30 June 2013, on the first anniversary of the election of Egyptian president Mohamed Morsi, millions of protesters across Egypt took to the streets and demanded the immediate resignation of the president because of political, economic and social issues that had escalated in his term. [2][3][4] In Cairo, tens of thousands of demonstrators gathered in Tahrir Square and outside the presidential palace, while other demonstrations were held in the cities of Alexandria, Port Said and Suez.[5] The demonstrations, which had been largely peaceful, turned violent when five anti-Morsi protesters were killed in separate clashes and shootings.[5] At the same time, supporters of Morsi staged a rally in Nasr City, a district of Cairo.[5]

On the morning of 1 July, anti-Morsi protesters ransacked the national headquarters of the Muslim Brotherhood in Cairo. Protesters threw objects at windows and looted the building, making off with office equipment and documents. The Health and Population Ministry confirmed the deaths of eight people who had been killed in clashes around the headquarters in Mokattam.[6]

The situation has escalated into a full national political and consitutional crisis, with the President Morsi refusing the rebels' demands for him to leave power, and the army threatening to take over if the politicians do not resolve the situation.

Hmm . . . Already the protesters are "rebels." And that's just Wikipedia.

The Army gave Morsi 48 hours to resolve the crisis, and now that deadline has passed. But what they're gonna do about it, they ain't sayin'.

Is this going to lead to a full-blow civil war? That could be a really ugly war-to-the-knife -- it would be like the mass movement that drove Mubarak from power, only divided in two and each half lusting to kill the other in the streets. And that's all apart from whatever the Army might do.

 

[run_silent]

Civil wars are always messy. You never know what you are going to get.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Civil wars are always messy. You never know what you are going to get.

Rather like a box of chocolates, if they screamed and bled when you bit them.

 

[KRCummings]

They need a president named Tut or Ramses. That'd be awesome.

 

[richard_daily]

It's a fucking tinderbox...

I hope that we seriously work on reducing our dependence on oil in the next few years.

 

[KRCummings]

It's a fucking tinderbox...

I hope that we seriously work on reducing our dependence on oil in the next few years.

Egypt isn't a very big oil exporter.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Rather like a box of chocolates, if they screamed and bled when you bit them.

That's gross.

They need a president named Tut or Ramses. That'd be awesome.

That is six shades of awesome.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I had such hopes for Egypt. They were so close to getting a televised singing talent show.

 

[KRCummings]

That's gross.



That is six shades of awesome.

Their biggest mistake was getting away from the whole Pharaoh thing. Maybe they were afraid of ten more plagues.

 

[chillywilly2]

It's a fucking tinderbox...

I hope that we seriously work on reducing our dependence on oil in the next few years.

Build a pipeline...we'll fix you up on that oil thing

 

[Sean Renaud]

I had such hopes for Egypt. They were so close to getting a televised singing talent show.

If a civil war where hundreds of thousands die horribly is the price we pay to avoid Egyptian Idol. . .holy shit that's epic. I'm gonna stop now. Not because I feel bad about thousands dying in the street but because I'm currently seeing people with animal heads singing and it's the best show ever.

Their biggest mistake was getting away from the whole Pharaoh thing. Maybe they were afraid of ten more plagues.

I gotta say I'm in agreement here. Also imagine how great their engineering programs and construction sectors would be if each Pharaoh still had to have the world's coolest building built to enshrine his body!

 

[KingOrfeo]

Egypt isn't a very big oil exporter.

Diplomatically, ever since Camp David, America's main concern WRT Egypt has been to keep them from starting things with Israel yet again.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Diplomatically, ever since Camp David, America's main concern WRT Egypt has been to keep them from starting things with Israel yet again.

Perhaps once we get of oil we can declare the Middle East a "We don't Care" zone much like Africa where we don't even bother looking into who's slaughtering who so long as they keep it to themselves.

 

[KRCummings]

Diplomatically, ever since Camp David, America's main concern WRT Egypt has been to keep them from starting things with Israel yet again.

Pretty much. They don't really have a whole lot to offer anyone unless you count some high thread count sheets.

 

[KRCummings]

Perhaps once we get of oil we can declare the Middle East a "We don't Care" zone much like Africa where we don't even bother looking into who's slaughtering who so long as they keep it to themselves.

The only reason Egypt has any role whatsoever in oil is because of their location. They don't produce much at all and of course export even less. It's not a concern in terms of the country itself.
Others in the area get worried and raise prices but that will calm down as it always does. Just reactionary.
And Egypt is in Africa.

 

[KRCummings]

And the Pyramids, Sphinx and all that...fucking tourist trap.
Always bugs me in movies when they show them and there's nothing around. The whole area is packed with cheap souvenir stands and peddlers and pretty much anyone who thinks they can make half a buck off the tourists.
There is nothing mystical, magical or really even historical about it anymore. It's like stopping at one of those stores in Orlando that sell all the Disney knock-offs for 2 bucks. You get what they advertise but you feel dirty afterwards.

 

[Wide_eyed_Indulgence]

I don't think civil war is quite where they are headed; more like revolution. I spent a lot of time there and they have lovely people and a beautiful country. I think more of a reaction to economic hard times, significant decline in the standard of living, and they feel they have nothing left to lose. Morsy just didn't get it done and they are out of patience.

They are different than the rest in the Arab world, In fact, you would be hard pressed to find an Egyptian who identifies primarily as an Arab. They have a proud past and I am hopeful -- a great future.

 

[pete]

And the Pyramids, Sphinx and all that...fucking tourist trap.
Always bugs me in movies when they show them and there's nothing around. The whole area is packed with cheap souvenir stands and peddlers and pretty much anyone who thinks they can make half a buck off the tourists.
There is nothing mystical, magical or really even historical about it anymore. It's like stopping at one of those stores in Orlando that sell all the Disney knock-offs for 2 bucks. You get what they advertise but you feel dirty afterwards.

ha, this is exactly how i felt when i drove by graceland while i was in memphis for a software training session. place was such a dump, in a run-down section of the city (which is saying something, considering the whole damn town looked run-down)

 

[KRCummings]

ha, this is exactly how i felt when i drove by graceland while i was in memphis for a software training session. place was such a dump, in a run-down section of the city (which is saying something, considering the whole damn town looked run-down)

The area isn't very nice but I wouldn't say Graceland itself is a dump. It's just not really what one expects if they haven't been prepared for it.

 

[richard_daily]

Egypt isn't a very big oil exporter.

But the region is.

A destabilized Egypt, means a destabilized region.

 

[Wide_eyed_Indulgence]

And the Pyramids, Sphinx and all that...fucking tourist trap.
Always bugs me in movies when they show them and there's nothing around. The whole area is packed with cheap souvenir stands and peddlers and pretty much anyone who thinks they can make half a buck off the tourists.
There is nothing mystical, magical or really even historical about it anymore. It's like stopping at one of those stores in Orlando that sell all the Disney knock-offs for 2 bucks. You get what they advertise but you feel dirty afterwards.

That is true about the Pyramids area . . . and it is disappointing and irritating. But that is a very small part of the country. It is overall an archeological wonderland -- pharaonic, Roman, Greek, etc. with fabulous natural beauty as well. One of my favorite places ever. Don't want to see anything bad happen there or to those people.

 

[klippert]

A'rab spring into complete kayos....Guess King Santa Barry, don't want anything to do with this mob....Just send in Riot cops and more tanks.....Go Barry GO

 

[Dazzle1]

Mass protests against President Morsi have been going on since June 30.



Hmm . . . Already the protesters are "rebels." And that's just Wikipedia.

The Army gave Morsi 48 hours to resolve the crisis, and now that deadline has passed. But what they're gonna do about it, they ain't sayin'.

Is this going to lead to a full-blow civil war? That could be a really ugly war-to-the-knife -- it would be like the mass movement that drove Mubarak from power, only divided in two and each half lusting to kill the other in the streets. And that's all apart from whatever the Army might do.

the best solution (for Egypt and its neighbors) would be a temporary coup with the army running things. Than give time for the different parties to get organized.

The Brotherhood was already organized, Egyptians just like the people of Turkey do not want the barbarism of islamic sharia.

Take note Erdogan

 

[Sean Renaud]

The only reason Egypt has any role whatsoever in oil is because of their location. They don't produce much at all and of course export even less. It's not a concern in terms of the country itself.
Others in the area get worried and raise prices but that will calm down as it always does. Just reactionary.
And Egypt is in Africa.

Yeah, I'm aware. But we can't let the area dissolve until we're off of oil so they still matter. Hell most American oil comes from Canada and South/Central America but we still care.

Also I know where Egypt is. I suppose I could have specified sub-Saharan Africa or something else but Egypt and the rest of North Africa is generally treated as being distinctly Not Africa. Not sure I agree with that but that seems to be fairly consistent.

 

[run_silent]

I think the US should not get involved any civil war. Let them end how they may and deal with the ruling party. How many nation hate us for propping up disliked rulers.

It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. Let them work it out or the countries near them that affected. Let's look at recent history We supported the Shah of Iran, We armed Al Qaeda to beat the Russians. We supported the outing of the president of Egypt.

How has all that worked out?