Ebola now confirmed in NYC

[Ishmael]

That is very true. Ronnie, the Hated, could not have stopped it with a quarantine.

The incubation period before the symptoms became frank would have made that virtually impossible. It was all over the place before anyone knew it was here.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The incubation period before the symptoms became frank would have made that virtually impossible. It was all over the place before anyone knew it was here.

Ishmael

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

heh...you really do limit your TV news viewing, don't you? Okay, maybe you've missed that, but have you read vette, Bunny, AJ, miles, JBJ, et al lately? They've been in full blown blame mode since day one. And let's not forget Rush and Hannity and Beck and....well, let's just say our boys here didn't come up with their talking points all on their own.

Yeah but so what? They can blame whoever they want, why let crackpot theories get to you? Rush, Hannity and Beck all want to wind people up in order to make money for advertisers which in turn makes money for themselves. CNN and MSNBC talking heads are no better, also screeching at people to wind them up and keep them tuning in. I don't watch any of it.

 

[RobDownSouth]

It was 1980-something. There was no real information on AIDS. In fact, there is at least one top-drawer Immunologist who contends that it is not viral, but lifestyle. Note how they've even stopped announcing each year that a cure is right around the corner? Note how long Magic Johnson is living?

But it is nice to see the same old liberal tactic. Rather than discuss the guy in office NOW, we want to talk about what the other side did 30 fucking years ago as if it was just yesterday...

Let me remind you of what Mono, er, I mean Bono said... Bill Clinton was good about talking about AIDS in Africa, but he never gave any money, that's why he respected GWB, because GWB actually got resources to Africa.

"Those that do not remember the mistakes of the past are condemned to repeat them" - "Voltaire"

Not-Republicans always have an excuse for St. Gipper.

 

[Skiddles2014]

Oh c'mon, be fair. Everyone uses examples from their own experiences. Nothing wrong there. At least q's stories have a point and are in context, and can be extrapolated to real life without too much effort. He is an attorney, isn't he? At least I think he is. He's been consistent on that one for as long as I've been reading him.

JBJ's stories, on the other hand, stretch credibility a bit too much for me.

Yeah, he's an attorney who rents a room in a house and has other roommates.

He must be as good at lawyering as he is at being a husband and a father.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yeah, he's an attorney who rents a room in a house and has other roommates.

He must be as good at lawyering as he is at being a husband and a father.

He's saving a lot of money by not havin' cable TV, though.

The newly unemployed AJ could learn a lot about fiscal responsibility from his little padawan.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

JBJ's stories, on the other hand, stretch credibility a bit too much for me.

It's because, much like the shitstain himself, they're absolute bullshit.

 

[sigh]

You said it yourself, people use their experiences to measure the world, and most people are too timid to have much experience.

That is true. I shouldn't judge your stories. I don't really know you after all. I apologize for that.

It's not always just timidity that holds people back. Sometimes they have responsibilities to others that they choose to put first. Sometimes it's simply the circumstances they inherit from the world, the genetics of their parents and the teachings of those who shape their lives. And sometimes, they're quite content with their first choices so see no reason to change their profession, activities, and goals in life. Generally, I suspect it's a blend of all that and more that keeps a person from trying something new.

 

[sigh]

Yeah, he's an attorney who rents a room in a house and has other roommates.

He must be as good at lawyering as he is at being a husband and a father.

I was wrong about him being an attorney. He told me that himself without hesitation, in the very next post, in fact. I have no idea what he was like as a husband. He's never shared that, not that I've seen anyway. And I can't speak for him as a father either, but the stories he's shared with me make it clear that he's a loving one at the very least.

 

[sigh]

It was 1980-something. There was no real information on AIDS. In fact, there is at least one top-drawer Immunologist who contends that it is not viral, but lifestyle. Note how they've even stopped announcing each year that a cure is right around the corner? Note how long Magic Johnson is living?

But it is nice to see the same old liberal tactic. Rather than discuss the guy in office NOW, we want to talk about what the other side did 30 fucking years ago as if it was just yesterday...

Let me remind you of what Mono, er, I mean Bono said... Bill Clinton was good about talking about AIDS in Africa, but he never gave any money, that's why he respected GWB, because GWB actually got resources to Africa.

And I note your tactic of not responding to what I said, but what you say I said. Reagan couldn't have stopped AIDS any more than Obama can stop Ebola, I know that, but he went nearly FIVE YEARS before he even acknowledged the word in public, and that was only in response to direct questions about it in a news conference. And it wasn't until his last year in office that he gave a speech about it. If Obama did that with Ebola, you'd crucify him. That's the point I was making by bringing up Reagan. Get it now? Most likely not.

And you bitch about me referring back to previous presidencies but then drag up Clinton and Bush? C'mon, why stop there? Tell us again what a waste Carter was. You didn't hesitate to bring up old presidents to blame when your boy was in office.

And finally, you trot out ONE expert who says that AIDS isn't viral. Really? Ironically that's the same number as those who've died of Ebola in the US. Meanwhile, those who believe in science say that more than 15000 people died of AIDS in the US in 2010 alone (which is three times more than have died of Ebola worldwide in this latest outbreak), and nearly 650000 of those infected with HIV here have died since it first appeared in 1981. People don't talk about it anymore because it's become a common part of our lives. Wait 20 years and the same thing will happen with Ebola. Magic Johnson is still alive for the same reason people are surviving Ebola. We're a whole lot better at treating viral infections than we once were.

AIDS due to lifestyle? People waste away and die, become infected with infectious diseases that are benign to the rest of the population, pop up with cancers virtually unrecognized in the 1970s and earlier...all because a lifestyle? I'd love to hear the rationalization for that one.

 

[sigh]

Yeah but so what? They can blame whoever they want, why let crackpot theories get to you? Rush, Hannity and Beck all want to wind people up in order to make money for advertisers which in turn makes money for themselves. CNN and MSNBC talking heads are no better, also screeching at people to wind them up and keep them tuning in. I don't watch any of it.

Hey, you're the one who brought it up. You said that there was no conspiracy against Obama in this. I just pointed out that's not exactly true. Those who hate him have used every opportunity to point out the mistakes that have happened since that guy showed up in Dallas.

 

[RobDownSouth]

That is true. I shouldn't judge your stories. I don't really know you after all. I apologize for that.

Well Luke pointed out that Query is a "topper". Looks like JamesBJohnson has competition for the silver medal in the Literotica "Can You Top This?" Storytellin' Olympics this year.

AJ still has a lock on the gold medal though. Seriously, the Chief is so legendary in his exploits they wrote a song about it.

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

The difference with Aids and ebola though is that you could only catch Aids through direct sexual contact or through a blood transfusion. This is on the CDC's website on low-risk exposure to Ebola:

Household contact with an EVD patient.

Other close contact with EVD patients in health-care facilities or community settings. Close contact is defined as:

Being within approximately 3 feet (1 meter) of an EVD patient or within the patient’s room or care area for a prolonged period of time (e.g., health care personnel, household members) while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment (i.e., standard, droplet, and contact precautions; see Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations).

Having direct brief contact (e.g., shaking hands) with an EVD patient while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment.

This is from the New Yorker magazine:

"There are two distinct ways a virus can travel in the air. In what’s known as droplet infection, the virus can travel inside droplets of fluid released into the air when, for example, a person coughs. The droplets travel only a few feet and soon fall to the ground. The other way a virus can go into the air is through what is called airborne transmission. In this mode, the virus is carried aloft in tiny droplets that dry out, leaving dust motes, which can float long distances, can remain infective for hours or days, and can be inhaled into the lungs. Particles of measles virus can do this, and have been observed to travel half the length of an enclosed football stadium. Ebola may well be able to infect people through droplets, but there’s no evidence that it infects people by drying out or getting into the lungs on dust particles. In 1989, a virus known today as Reston, which is a filovirus related to Ebola, erupted in a building full of monkeys in Reston, Virginia, and travelled from cage to cage. One possible way, never proved, is that the virus particles hitched rides in mist driven into the air by high-pressure spray hoses used to clean the cages, and then circulated in the building’s air system. A rule of thumb among Ebola experts is that, if you are not wearing biohazard gear, you should stand at least six feet away from an Ebola patient, as a precaution against flying droplets."

 

[toubab]

The difference with Aids and ebola though is that you could only catch Aids through direct sexual contact or through a blood transfusion. This is on the CDC's website on low-risk exposure to Ebola:

Household contact with an EVD patient.

Other close contact with EVD patients in health-care facilities or community settings. Close contact is defined as:

Being within approximately 3 feet (1 meter) of an EVD patient or within the patient’s room or care area for a prolonged period of time (e.g., health care personnel, household members) while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment (i.e., standard, droplet, and contact precautions; see Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations).

Having direct brief contact (e.g., shaking hands) with an EVD patient while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment.

This is from the New Yorker magazine:

"There are two distinct ways a virus can travel in the air. In what’s known as droplet infection, the virus can travel inside droplets of fluid released into the air when, for example, a person coughs. The droplets travel only a few feet and soon fall to the ground. The other way a virus can go into the air is through what is called airborne transmission. In this mode, the virus is carried aloft in tiny droplets that dry out, leaving dust motes, which can float long distances, can remain infective for hours or days, and can be inhaled into the lungs. Particles of measles virus can do this, and have been observed to travel half the length of an enclosed football stadium. Ebola may well be able to infect people through droplets, but there’s no evidence that it infects people by drying out or getting into the lungs on dust particles. In 1989, a virus known today as Reston, which is a filovirus related to Ebola, erupted in a building full of monkeys in Reston, Virginia, and travelled from cage to cage. One possible way, never proved, is that the virus particles hitched rides in mist driven into the air by high-pressure spray hoses used to clean the cages, and then circulated in the building’s air system. A rule of thumb among Ebola experts is that, if you are not wearing biohazard gear, you should stand at least six feet away from an Ebola patient, as a precaution against flying droplets."

For some odd reason there are numerous people here who cannot seem to grasp that there are two ways a virus can travel in the air. This strain of Ebola can obviously do one of the two, and it's not impossible it can mutate to the point of doing both, if it hasn't already.

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

For some odd reason there are numerous people here who cannot seem to grasp that there are two ways a virus can travel in the air. This strain of Ebola can obviously do one of the two, and it's not impossible it can mutate to the point of doing both, if it hasn't already.

I'm not worried about Ebola mutating into a truly airborne version. There is enough to worry about when an infected doctor travels across New York City, one of the most densely populated cities in the world. Would you feel safe standing 3 feet away from that guy in a tightly packed subway car with your children?

Can you imagine the potential nightmare if he infected a homeless guy, or a masseuse, or a nail technician from a beauty salon. You only need a match to burn a forest down.

 

[Sean]

It was 1980-something. There was no real information on AIDS. In fact, there is at least one top-drawer Immunologist who contends that it is not viral, but lifestyle. Note how they've even stopped announcing each year that a cure is right around the corner? Note how long Magic Johnson is living?

But it is nice to see the same old liberal tactic. Rather than discuss the guy in office NOW, we want to talk about what the other side did 30 fucking years ago as if it was just yesterday...

Let me remind you of what Mono, er, I mean Bono said... Bill Clinton was good about talking about AIDS in Africa, but he never gave any money, that's why he respected GWB, because GWB actually got resources to Africa.

Oh, I think quite a few of us remember your position on AIDS.

 

[toubab]

I'm not worried about Ebola mutating into a truly airborne version. There is enough to worry about when an infected doctor travels across New York City, one of the most densely populated cities in the world. Would you feel safe standing 3 feet away from that guy in a tightly packed subway car with your children?

Can you imagine the potential nightmare if he infected a homeless guy, or a masseuse, or a nail technician from a beauty salon. You only need a match to burn a forest down.

No, I wouldn't feel safe, and no one else should, either. But unless the virus mutates to become truly airborne, in the technical sense, it is unlikely to become a huge problem in the US, as long as we keep possibly infected individuals out of the country or under quarantine.

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

No, I wouldn't feel safe, and no one else should, either. But unless the virus mutates to become truly airborne, in the technical sense, it is unlikely to become a huge problem in the US, as long as we keep possibly infected individuals out of the country or under quarantine.

That would be awesome if our government ran like a well-oiled machine, but unfortunately that's not the case. Just saw a video a couple days ago where cops tossed potential biohazard materials in a public trashcan in New York and then walked off. There are multiple stories of government employees making boneheaded mistakes over and over again when it comes to the handling of this mess.

 

[toubab]

That would be awesome if our government ran like a well-oiled machine, but unfortunately that's not the case. Just saw a video a couple days ago where cops tossed potential biohazard materials in a public trashcan in New York and then walked off. There are multiple stories of government employees making boneheaded mistakes over and over again when it comes to the handling of this mess.

I saw that video of the cops doing that. There are idiots everywhere.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Hey, you're the one who brought it up. You said that there was no conspiracy against Obama in this. I just pointed out that's not exactly true. Those who hate him have used every opportunity to point out the mistakes that have happened since that guy showed up in Dallas.

That his haters blame him does not make it a conspiracy. There is no conspiracy.

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

I just read these comments from a reddit thread:

Those who brush off Ebola by saying "oh, you have to come into direct contact with a person's bodily fluid to get infected! We're good!" seriously underestimate how disgusting NYC is.

Went to NYC a few months ago. Within an hour of being there I saw a homeless woman pee down her leg on an escalator not 5 feet from me. It's not a clean city.

I witnessed a bum blowing diarrhea all over the wall of the stairs to the subway, apparently attempting to aim at the drain in the ground next to the wall... Was not a pleasant sight.

Got on a Chicago CTA car comin' home late at night ("drunk train," 'round 2-3 a.m.). Saw everybody standing on their seats, holding on to the railing, or squished up where the doors are, because there was a massive river of pee flooding down the car's center aisle. Seriously, it was like an elephant had unleashed in there. And at the end of the car, a homeless man sleeping on the seats.
And this isn't a particularly uncommon occurrence, either.
I love public transit because it means I don't need a car (and is there when I can't ride a bike), but goddamn is it gross.

 

[lovecraft68]

Went to NYC a few months ago. Within an hour of being there I saw a homeless woman pee down her leg on an escalator not 5 feet from me. It's not a clean city.

I witnessed a bum blowing diarrhea all over the wall of the stairs to the subway, apparently attempting to aim at the drain in the ground next to the wall... Was not a pleasant sight.

The problem is these people are citizens. Under this administration-and the prior-we only care about suffering in other countries or the suffering of people who have no legal right to be here.

I think those things you saw should become post cards for America, the land of the poor and the home of the homeless.

 

[Peregrinator]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandso...ampaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2047

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandso...ampaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2047

David Ropeik is fucking brilliant. I met him about 10 years ago when I was marketing a book he wrote. Sharp man, I completely trust his assessment of risk.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

That is true. I shouldn't judge your stories. I don't really know you after all. I apologize for that.

It's not always just timidity that holds people back. Sometimes they have responsibilities to others that they choose to put first. Sometimes it's simply the circumstances they inherit from the world, the genetics of their parents and the teachings of those who shape their lives. And sometimes, they're quite content with their first choices so see no reason to change their profession, activities, and goals in life. Generally, I suspect it's a blend of all that and more that keeps a person from trying something new.

I generally take the road I come to, some times I throw caution to the wind and go for the gusto.

There is a tide in the affairs of men Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune; Omitted, all the voyage of their life Is bound in shallows and in miseries. JULIUS CAESAR (Shakespeare)