Ebola now confirmed in NYC

[NeverEndingMe]

No shit!!!!!!! Nice to see some common sense being used. I also appreciated the joint appearance of Cuomo and Christie. A sign that Ebola is NOT some political wedge issue. The virus just doesn't give a shit what your party affiliation is.

Ishmael

I like how they down play this .... just like in every George A. Romero movie. you get some government assHat in a white jacket talking about how the risk of spreading is very low ... next thing you know the town is filled with walkers (and I don't mean the Florida kind).

lets face it, rule #1 in any outbreak - never trust the assholes in government as they have no fucking idea what they are doing, after all, they can't find real jobs so they go into 'governet'

 

[Wrong Element]

There are some that would call the reaction of customers, or potential customers, irrational, it is a to be expected human reaction. It's easy to see that if there is just one more case that pops up in NYC as a result of contact with the current patient outside the hospital environment that panic could quickly spiral out of control. There are just too many people squeezed into close contact there.

A good place to point out none of the Ebola patients in the United States -- not the two who were infected in Dallas nor the ones infected in Africa -- have gotten the disease in any way other than how the much-maligned CDC says it happens. The people who were in proximity to Nurse #2 in Ohio and on the plane aren't out of the woods yet, but it's certainly not looking good for the PANIC! crowd. And no Brooklyn hipster is getting sick because they were in the same bowling alley with the doctor either.

Every time I've mentioned how the disease is contracted, the usual suspects have told me I'm an Obama stooge so my "opinion" doesn't count. But like you said, the virus doesn't give a shit what my party affiliation is.

 

[sigh]

Will you please quit quoting the moron?

Damn. You say don't quote AJ. AJ says don't quote Rob. It's getting awfully hard for a girl to have a conversation around here.

 

[sigh]

I haven't really hard meant hysterics bit I intentionally limit my viewing TV news. They
Intentionally wind people up to sell advertising. People who run the networks don't give a flying fuck about who wins elections because they get what they want regardless of who is in office. Ebola scares people, so they get hysterical to get ratings, this is not a plot against Obama.

heh...you really do limit your TV news viewing, don't you? Okay, maybe you've missed that, but have you read vette, Bunny, AJ, miles, JBJ, et al lately? They've been in full blown blame mode since day one. And let's not forget Rush and Hannity and Beck and....well, let's just say our boys here didn't come up with their talking points all on their own.

 

[Disgustipated]

Damn. You say don't quote AJ. AJ says don't quote Rob. It's getting awfully hard for a girl to have a conversation around here.

Rob usually makes sense.

AJ just posts partisan crap from lame sites. And when he does have an original thought, he gets proven wrong and laughed at. You can have a conversation, but I like reading you much more than him.

 

[sigh]

Rob usually makes sense.

AJ just posts partisan crap from lame sites. And when he does have an original thought, he gets proven wrong and laughed at. You can have a conversation, but I like reading you much more than him.

Thank you. Flattery will get you (nearly) everywhere.

 

[Que]

A good place to point out none of the Ebola patients in the United States -- not the two who were infected in Dallas nor the ones infected in Africa -- have gotten the disease in any way other than how the much-maligned CDC says it happens. The people who were in proximity to Nurse #2 in Ohio and on the plane aren't out of the woods yet, but it's certainly not looking good for the PANIC! crowd. And no Brooklyn hipster is getting sick because they were in the same bowling alley with the doctor either.

Every time I've mentioned how the disease is contracted, the usual suspects have told me I'm an Obama stooge so my "opinion" doesn't count. But like you said, the virus doesn't give a shit what my party affiliation is.

All true.

However, if you were watching the news and realized you were elbow to elbow at the snack bar and then at the sinks in the washroom at the bowling alley, how often would you be checking your temperature. Just in case?

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An actual Medical Doctor monitoring himself. (no dispute that he was likely more than qualified to do so) was quite sure that he was not a carrier. Except he was.

What happens when a non-medical professional at the exact same stage wanders off a plane. Has a few beers (thank goodness most of them are gonna be Muslim!) wakes up nauseous with a headache... staggers around the city... Throws up a time or two...wipes the spittle with the back of his hand...

The kinds of people that are going to bump into people with the money for a flight like that are probably reasonably well educated and going to go see a doctor.

The cause for concern is what happens when the first homeless guy in NYC gets it and suffers in silence?

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You are minimizing the nurses contracting it. Sure, they were not aware he had Ebola when they were exposed or they would have been even more careful, but nurses deal with sick people all day. They do not delight in either getting sick themselves, and being professionals they work very hard not to move something so simple as staph from one patient to another.

My mom was a surgical nurse. She could probably handle an Ebola patient with nothing but gloves. That woman is obsessed with avoiding germs. She used to wash the toys at her house in a mild bleach solution before and after my kids dropped by.

She never, as a habit, ever touches her face without freshly washed hands period.

These nurses were less hands on with the patients then you might be in line at a fast food place.

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The only salvation that has kept this from being an actual pandemic is it looks like you have to be pretty far gone before the viral count is high enough in fluids to transmit it. It looks like you have to be obviously quite ill for it to be communicable.

...and no, I haven't been terrorized and indoctrinated by some hype on the news. I don't have broadcast or cable TV and I refuse to watch video links of anything (except the odd therapeutic porn clip of course.) My one trip out of town the last two months, the small one was not interested in watching the news.

 

[Disgustipated]

Q seems to always have a topper story.

The car thread. He's owned ever car ever produced.
This thread. His mom was a nurse.

I don't read him much but almost every post has the same theme.

Eta: now he's an attorney in the Wilson thread. Too funny.

 

[sigh]

Q seems to always have a topper story.

The car thread. He's owned ever car ever produced.
This thread. His mom was a nurse.

I don't read him much but almost every post has the same theme.

Eta: now he's an attorney in the Wilson thread. Too funny.

Oh c'mon, be fair. Everyone uses examples from their own experiences. Nothing wrong there. At least q's stories have a point and are in context, and can be extrapolated to real life without too much effort. He is an attorney, isn't he? At least I think he is. He's been consistent on that one for as long as I've been reading him.

JBJ's stories, on the other hand, stretch credibility a bit too much for me.

 

[Que]

Oh c'mon, be fair. Everyone uses examples from their own experiences. Nothing wrong there. At least q's stories have a point and are in context, and can be extrapolated to real life without too much effort. He is an attorney, isn't he? At least I think he is. He's been consistent on that one for as long as I've been reading him.

JBJ's stories, on the other hand, stretch credibility a bit too much for me.

Nope, strictly blue collar.

This is the kind of post that Robbie takes copious notes from. He later mocks as if people couldn't possible have done all those things. I always feel sad for people that are incredulous that anyone else has done anything interesting.

 

[sigh]

Burglary? It was you who stole my bike, wasn't it? Fess up!

And what the heck is a savager? Sounds like somebody who enjoys beating up people with a ball peen hammer.

 

[Que]

Burglary? It was you who stole my bike, wasn't it? Fess up!

And what the heck is a savager? Sounds like somebody who enjoys beating up people with a ball peen hammer.

Technically unless your bike was inside a dwelling I could relive you of your bicycle without committing burglary. Burglary is often committed to gain access in order to then commit theft. That was not the reason I needed to develop the skill. Oddly, it was somewhat related to the time period that led me to be conversant with legal jargon.

The other one, spell check didn't get. So I guess savager is a thing. I need to add that to my resume after I develop the skill. I scratched my head, thinking I had meant "scavenger" (I am that too.) I meant "salvager."

Dunno why anyone would steal a bike. I could probably scavenge a couple up if I needed to. Bikes are pretty easy to find. People give up on them. No one has mechanical skills anymore.

 

[sigh]

Technically unless your bike was inside a dwelling I could relive you of your bicycle without committing burglary.

The other one, spell check didn't get. So I guess savager is a thing. I need to add that to my resume after I develop the skill. I scratched my head, thinking I had meant "scavenger" (I am that too.) I meant "salvager."

Actually it was inside a small room inside our building's parking garage, behind a locked door. Four bikes were taken at once; two of them (not mine) were pretty high end too, as far as bikes go. So it was burglary AND theft. The police guy was actually kind of excited about that and thought it would warrant a more thorough investigation than if it'd been stolen from the bike rack outside (stealing bikes in a college town is like jaywalking - seems everybody does it). Of course, that was like two summers ago and I haven't heard a peep since.

 

[Que]

Actually it was inside a small room inside our building's parking garage, behind a locked door. Four bikes were taken at once; two of them (not mine) were pretty high end too, as far as bikes go. So it was burglary AND theft. The police guy was actually kind of excited about that and thought it would warrant a more thorough investigation than if it'd been stolen from the bike rack outside (stealing bikes in a college town is like jaywalking - seems everybody does it). Of course, that was like two summers ago and I haven't heard a peep since.

Was the lock picked? Or did someone forget to lock? Or did they just clumsily force the door?

OH...I saw this great docu-drama where a guy is following a commercial burgler around. Some of the guys techniques were genius. Often defeating security by ignoring the hard-point and exploiting the vulnerability.

I always laugh when I see a case hardened lock on a flimsy hasp. My dad always said locks are to keep honest people honest. My parents did me no favors raising me to respect others' property. I would be very good at theft. I have this convoluted sense of morality. I have no problem stealing things back, but I have to be in the right.

ps...that whole long list of marketable skills and you pick burglary?

 

[Wrong Element]

All true.

However, if you were watching the news and realized you were elbow to elbow at the snack bar and then at the sinks in the washroom at the bowling alley, how often would you be checking your temperature. Just in case?

An actual Medical Doctor monitoring himself. (no dispute that he was likely more than qualified to do so) was quite sure that he was not a carrier. Except he was.

What happens when a non-medical professional at the exact same stage wanders off a plane. Has a few beers (thank goodness most of them are gonna be Muslim!) wakes up nauseous with a headache... staggers around the city... Throws up a time or two...wipes the spittle with the back of his hand...

The kinds of people that are going to bump into people with the money for a flight like that are probably reasonably well educated and going to go see a doctor.

The cause for concern is what happens when the first homeless guy in NYC gets it and suffers in silence?

You are minimizing the nurses contracting it. Sure, they were not aware he had Ebola when they were exposed or they would have been even more careful, but nurses deal with sick people all day. They do not delight in either getting sick themselves, and being professionals they work very hard not to move something so simple as staph from one patient to another.

Most people likely to fly into the U.S. from the epidemic zone are going to be Liberian, for historic and cultural reasons, and most Liberians are Christian. But that's a minor point.

The scenario you're talking about becomes a concern for me down the road, if the epidemic can't be brought under control eventually. If it becomes part of routine life in Africa, keeping it confined to that continent is going to be impossible. But there just aren't large numbers of people hopping on planes who are both unaware they are infected with Ebola, and don't have the medical savvy to monitor themselves. Duncan was one, and I believe the first Ebola patient in Nigeria flew into the country (and he might have known he was sick).

But for a homeless person in the U.S. to get Ebola, he'd have to come into contact with someone who got it elsewhere, and was somehow still healthy enough to wander the streets despite vomiting blood everywhere. Even in New York, that would tend to attract attention.

 

[sigh]

Was the lock picked? Or did someone forget to lock? Or did they just clumsily force the door?

OH...I saw this great docu-drama where a guy is following a commercial burgler around. Some of the guys techniques were genius. Often defeating security by ignoring the hard-point and exploiting the vulnerability.

I always laugh when I see a case hardened lock on a flimsy hasp. My dad always said locks are to keep honest people honest. My parents did me no favors raising me to respect others' property. I would be very good at theft. I have this convoluted sense of morality. I have no problem stealing things back, but I have to be in the right.

ps...that whole long list of marketable skills and you pick burglary?

It was a locking door knob, like the kind most houses have. Fairly stout, but not a deadbolt. The police thought it was forced with a pry bar between the door and the jamb. The door frame (wooden) was pretty busted up. Three of the bikes inside were also chained and those succumbed to a bolt cutter. Whoever did it knew what was in there and came with what they needed to get in and out fast. It was brute force. Nothing slick or cat-burglary about it at all. It didn't help that it was in an underground parking garage, conveniently out of sight from the street.

As for your list, burglary stood out because it was the one illegal trade you mentioned and so it piqued my interest. Savager I just found to be funny, figuring there had to be a typo involved. Have you ever actually burgled? It sounds like you haven't.

 

[Que]

Most people likely to fly into the U.S. from the epidemic zone are going to be Liberian, for historic and cultural reasons, and most Liberians are Christian. But that's a minor point.

The scenario you're talking about becomes a concern for me down the road, if the epidemic can't be brought under control eventually. If it becomes part of routine life in Africa, keeping it confined to that continent is going to be impossible. But there just aren't large numbers of people hopping on planes who are both unaware they are infected with Ebola, and don't have the medical savvy to monitor themselves. Duncan was one, and I believe the first Ebola patient in Nigeria flew into the country (and he might have known he was sick).

But for a homeless person in the U.S. to get Ebola, he'd have to come into contact with someone who got it elsewhere, and was somehow still healthy enough to wander the streets despite vomiting blood everywhere. Even in New York, that would tend to attract attention.

I think that is why it isn't a pandemic and probably wont be... You need to be practically bleeding from your eyeballs to infect someone. I do not think someone who could pass it on is likely to look healthy.

Scary for nurses though because EVERYTHING is going to look like early Ebola.

It was a locking door knob, like the kind most houses have. Fairly stout, but not a deadbolt. The police thought it was forced with a pry bar between the door and the jamb. The door frame (wooden) was pretty busted up. Three of the bikes inside were also chained and those succumbed to a bolt cutter. Whoever did it knew what was in there and came with what they needed to get in and out fast. It was brute force. Nothing slick or cat-burglary about it at all. It didn't help that it was in an underground parking garage, conveniently out of sight from the street.

As for your list, burglary stood out because it was the one illegal trade you mentioned and so it piqued my interest. Savager I just found to be funny, figuring there had to be a typo involved. Have you ever actually burgled? It sounds like you haven't.

That was inelegant of them.

I have, the statute of limitations has run by now.

I felt morally justified in doing so. I needed paperwork that I knew existed. I got in, got what I needed (technically I DID steal some paper and toner from their copier) and got out safely...at least the first time.

 

[toubab]

A good place to point out none of the Ebola patients in the United States -- not the two who were infected in Dallas nor the ones infected in Africa -- have gotten the disease in any way other than how the much-maligned CDC says it happens. The people who were in proximity to Nurse #2 in Ohio and on the plane aren't out of the woods yet, but it's certainly not looking good for the PANIC! crowd. And no Brooklyn hipster is getting sick because they were in the same bowling alley with the doctor either.

Every time I've mentioned how the disease is contracted, the usual suspects have told me I'm an Obama stooge so my "opinion" doesn't count. But like you said, the virus doesn't give a shit what my party affiliation is.

The reason I don't give much weight to your opinions is you have shown yourself to be either too stupid to understand the English language or a liar. Has to be one or the other, if not both, or you wouldn't make asinine statements about dire predictions by other posters that were never made, for example.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Oh c'mon, be fair. Everyone uses examples from their own experiences. Nothing wrong there. At least q's stories have a point and are in context, and can be extrapolated to real life without too much effort. He is an attorney, isn't he? At least I think he is. He's been consistent on that one for as long as I've been reading him.

JBJ's stories, on the other hand, stretch credibility a bit too much for me.

You said it yourself, people use their experiences to measure the world, and most people are too timid to have much experience.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Mandatory 21 day quarantine in NY and NJ for high risk entries into the city via air travel. It is about time.

No shit!!!!!!! Nice to see some common sense being used. I also appreciated the joint appearance of Cuomo and Christie. A sign that Ebola is NOT some political wedge issue. The virus just doesn't give a shit what your party affiliation is.

Ishmael

I agree, and I think that is exactly why they held the news conference together. I can't wrap my head around the "it's not a big deal" crowd. We are tightly packed together here, people spread the flu quite easily... and that fucking guy is on the subway, out bowling in Brooklyn come on!

Funny how, to so many of those who hold themselves intellectually superior to the rest of us, its always and intellectual exercise in the hands of professionals with no need for any type of hysteria, until it lands on their front doorstep...



You get a case or two in DC and those flights will be stopped.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that he is the only case to crop up. I can hope that the other states that are ports of entry from the infected nations exercise the same common sense.

the only risk I see with the approach NY/NJ have taken is with regards to the graduated assessment as to who goes into quarantine. My concern is that there are some that will flat out lie on the forms so as to avoid the 21 day quarantine. I would prefer to see a universal quarantine for ALL travelers from those nations, no exceptions, no excuse.

Ishmael

Are we watching the freight ports?



Those ships are manned...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

sigh, I don't know who the fuck it was that was panicking and since I know you don't really pay a lot of attention to that hated right-wing media, let me tell you, they were concerned, but not hysterical. You are making an assumption. They had plenty of people from the CDC and the don't worry, don't panic crowd getting that message out. But if there was a worried, panicked crowd, our government's Katrina-like reaction actually reenforced those types and helped to swell their ranks.

Now, if you have some, any specific examples of what the hell you are talking about other than this broad net cast for straw men, then I would like to see the evidence of this vast, right-wing hysteria. And here's something else to consider, I posted a graph of the news reporting from the election of 2006 contrasting it with the election of 2014 and how hot the press was to report on the former while ignoring the latter. Do you want know the number one left-wing response as to why their networks were not covering the election? They were too busy covering ebola. Now, was that hysteria or just reporting?

If you go back and look at when these threads starting popping up, I was doing Pandemic jokes; the Pandemic World Tour with those wild and crazy guys, Mono, Plague, E. Bolla and Clapton.

What you are engaging in is not true. There are some other words that I could attach to it, but you would get your panties in a fucking wad...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Then Reagan failed in his constitutional duty as well. AIDS came from Africa too, you know.

Oh, but wait...that's different.

It was 1980-something. There was no real information on AIDS. In fact, there is at least one top-drawer Immunologist who contends that it is not viral, but lifestyle. Note how they've even stopped announcing each year that a cure is right around the corner? Note how long Magic Johnson is living?

But it is nice to see the same old liberal tactic. Rather than discuss the guy in office NOW, we want to talk about what the other side did 30 fucking years ago as if it was just yesterday...

Let me remind you of what Mono, er, I mean Bono said... Bill Clinton was good about talking about AIDS in Africa, but he never gave any money, that's why he respected GWB, because GWB actually got resources to Africa.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

A lot of the early cases of AIDS had some sort of "six degrees of separation"-like connection to the flight attendant, but no one knows exactly when HIV first appeared in the U.S.

That is very true. Ronnie, the Hated, could not have stopped it with a quarantine.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

AIDS originated among primates in Africa and was probably first transmitted to a human more than a hundred years ago. If the steward was patient zero in the US, then AIDS came to America the same way Ebola did: riding on an airplane.

The first overtly dying person...

Not the first person.

It could have come by freighter...

Sailors:
I smell women
Smell 'em in the air
Think I'll drop my anchor
In that harbor over there
Lovely ladies
I'll love you 'till I'm broke
Seven months at sea
And now I'm hungry for a poke
Even stokers need a little stoke!