Eating Meat

[Auraka6669]

PPPS...he was kidding. S'okay, it takes a few posts around here to get that Marquis is usually mocking someone/thing.

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I blame text not showing sarcasim well... I should have seen that one though.

 

[FurryFury]

Many people have asked me this one through the years:

Aren't plants alive?

How do we know they don't scream when we pick them?

LOL.

Fury

 

[SpectreT]

Ethically speaking, in my ideal world, people would only eat what they could forage, hunt, or scavenge.

That would definitely cut back on obesity, I think, and a few other health issues related to food. Heck, having to work more directly for food would also provide a source of exercize. The plow was probably the single worst invention of the Human species.

Unfortunately for my ethics, I was born about 40,000 years too late, according to the archaeologists. And no throwback jokes! I make enough of those whenever I look in the mirror. I'm a damn pudgy Neanderthal, and proud of it. (the Neanderthal part, anyway)

To Netzach: Yes, I tend to leave the pigs alone, too. It has more to do with how and what they're fed than how they may taste, though. Didn't realize my personal food tastes were so close to religious law. (bear in mind, I was raised Catholic, and later in life studied the big three monotheistic religions, then decided organized religion didn't fit quite right for me.) Interesting.

 

[Marquis]

Many people have asked me this one through the years:

Aren't plants alive?

How do we know they don't scream when we pick them?

LOL.

Fury

There are people that don't eat ANYTHING they have to kill to eat. Fruits, for example, can be picked from a tree without killing the tree.

 

[FurryFury]

There are people that don't eat ANYTHING they have to kill to eat. Fruits, for example, can be picked from a tree without killing the tree.

I'm not that good. I'm good. I'm just not that good. Then again I ain't Soylent Greening it up . . . *L*

Fury

 

[incubus'_sub]

I'm not good at all lol. Give me meat !!!

My chickens had lovely, free lives until their sudden deaths, ditto the cattle I've bred & raised.

If you think about it, the ancients spent a lot of years domesticating food animals because they realised fairly early on that it was the only way to maintain a regular supply.

I have no desire to go back to wondering where (& if) my next meal was coming from. There are those in this world who do maintain that lifestyle, but somehow with the endless famines they suffer I think they'd happily live in an industrialised farming country.

Perhaps we all should just shut up about the various moral issues & our own beliefs & be bloody grateful that most of us can actually choose our lifestyles & our foods without the threat of starving to death.

 

[incubus'_sub]

Errrr, my last post comes across like a lecture & it wasn't meant that way at all, sorry.

Was supposed to be more along the lines of hey, we're lucky & if we choose to eat too many donuts & get fat, then we can also choose to eat something else & lose the weight IF it bothers us so much.

Disclaimer - yes, yes, I know there are medical conditions & medications which cause obesity & I remember Netz's distress with the side effects of her treatment, but the single greatest cause, by far, of fat people, is overeating.

 

[John Doe]

I'm not asking for you go to great expense, just dress like a cheap slut every once in a while, is that so hard?

And they act like that's a strange or unreasonable request too.

Bitches.

 

[BiBunny]

What pisses me off is that I've got no where to wear my flashy trash ho clothes.

*le sigh*

Fury

Me neither. Wanna go somewhere? LOL.

 

[FurryFury]

Me neither. Wanna go somewhere? LOL.

Yes! Anywhere but where I have to go for the holiday!

Fury

 

[chris9]

I was vegetarian for 10 years, vegan for 5 of those - referencing The Marquis, more for environmental reasons than anything else - industrial animal and now fish farming does incalculable damage to the environment and is also extremely cruel...

It was not healthy for me. In the past 2 years have added small amounts of meat & fish back into my diet and have lost weight, reproductive problems have gone away, have more energy, lost my carb cravings...

Agree about the leaves, berries, tubers - bulk of my diet is still vegies, and I make sure my meat is organic / humanely raised / non-grainfed animals / wild seafood - more expensive, but feel morally ok with it because I eat small amounts and some organic animal husbandry (e.g., 100% range-fed beef) is actually good for the earth...

Neon

Wild seafood is dying out. Which for me is a good reason not to eat it, because I don't want the oceans to become empty of fish.
If everyone would only eat wild animals (like deer) those would have died out, too. So it's a good thing in my book that animals were domesticated. And for me the most important reason to prefer organic food is that it tastes WAY better.
And this is not meant in a bitchy way. Food preferences are one of the easiest things to fight about, because most people are very emotional about it.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

What pisses me off is that I've got no where to wear my flashy trash ho clothes.

C'mon over to my place and we can discuss dinner and dessert... *weg*

Me neither. Wanna go somewhere? LOL.

My place is available! And the cross is visible in the background of my av...

You two can wear your flashy trash ho clothes over here, then remove them if you wish... And I would be happy to top you both or if Fury is in the mood we could co-top da Bunny!

 

[FurryFury]

C'mon over to my place and we can discuss dinner and dessert... *weg*



My place is available! And the cross is visible in the background of my av...

You two can wear your flashy trash ho clothes over here, then remove them if you wish... And I would be happy to top you both or if Fury is in the mood we could co-top da Bunny!

Co-top? Me? *shakes head and blushes* I'm honored but there is NO WaY I'd waste an opportunity to feel what YOU would be like EG!



Fury

 

[Etoile]

In the past 2 years have added small amounts of meat & fish back into my diet and have lost weight, reproductive problems have gone away, have more energy, lost my carb cravings...

How did that work for you? I have considered eating meat again at times, but I have never had the nerve to do it. I've been a vegetarian for so long that it just seems like it would be so weird to eat meat again.

 

[Etoile]

There are people that don't eat ANYTHING they have to kill to eat. Fruits, for example, can be picked from a tree without killing the tree.

Hah, yeah, fruitarians. Crazy folks. I read an essay once by a guy who had lived as a fruitarian for a while, he became terribly weak, underweight, nutrient-deficient, etc. He acknowledged after a time that it was not healthy and he went back to being a raw foodie. Which is still pretty extreme in my book, but you can at least survive as a raw foodie - if you restrict yourself to fruits only, you get sick fast, as this guy found out.

 

[BiBunny]

C'mon over to my place and we can discuss dinner and dessert... *weg*



My place is available! And the cross is visible in the background of my av...

You two can wear your flashy trash ho clothes over here, then remove them if you wish... And I would be happy to top you both or if Fury is in the mood we could co-top da Bunny!

FYI, da Bunny switches, too, but like Fury, there'd be no way in hell I'd pass up the opportunity to see what you're like.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Heh.

Continuing the food hijack, is there some name for a person who won't eat the meat of an animal unless it had a bony skeleton including spinal column while it was alive? On a good day, I view lobsters and crabs as giant oceanic insects, way too gross to eat. Octopi and squid are too intelligent, and lack an endoskeleton. They scare me, and I feel guilty thinking about eating anything that can figure out how to unscrew a jar. Molluscs are just barely into the realm of what I would call alive. Semi-ambulatory snot isn't on my edible list. (there goes escargot, oysters, clams and mussels out the window) Insects - not even covered in chocolate.

Nope, it had to have a spine and bones in it, before I'll consider it an edible animal.

Damn SpecT you don't eat any of the good stuff huh. Seafood is our passion . In my family preferred over red meat , chicken etc by miles. Even the babies eat it from the solid food age . My son has eaten tuna and salmon sashimi since he was about 4. Must be living on the coast , affordability and parents that introduced it when we were so young.

I have never heard anyone describe seafood as you have before , well perhaps RJ once when we were discussing the baby octopus I was about to BBQ. Interesting topic .

 

[neonflux]

How did that work for you? I have considered eating meat again at times, but I have never had the nerve to do it. I've been a vegetarian for so long that it just seems like it would be so weird to eat meat again.

I understand finding it weird. I was afraid that my body would have a hard time adjusting. I started with small amounts added to stirfries, etc. Which let my body adjust - still don't eat large amounts - much less than most omnivores eat.

Also, I started with poultry and fish, latter added back in 100% range fed beef (fats are as healthy as those in wild salmon, but don't have to feel guilty about depleting the world's fish population) and lamb. We're lucky here that there's such a movement back to organic methods and that humanly raised foods are easier to find.

I really do feel much healthier and continue to (slowly) lose weight without a lot of effort. It's funny, my ex does really well on a vegetarian diet only occasionally supplemented with fish. I guess everyone's body requirements are different.

Is there a reason that you're considering adding meat again?

~ Neon

 

[Bredon]

Have to ask--

reproductive problems have gone away

What type of problems? I used to be ovo lacto, then had to stop the lacto, because of mik allergy. So I started first fish, then meat-- I'm sooo much more healthy-- veryvery healthy. But I still have weird cycle problems-- I eat huge amounts of tofu-- are your sure that your thyroid problem was from the tofu and not from seaweed?

Bredon

 

[Xelebes]

I eat meat in the winter, fruits in the summer.

Seriously, I wouldn't make it far without the meat during the winter.

 

[FurryFury]

I am not that strict about meat. I mean if it is cooked with chicken broth or something I'm not gonna freak. Sometimes I will order something I want and know has meat in it but pick around the meat, because of that I have found I really don't like the texture of meat in my mouth at all.

I rarely tell anyone I am a veggie because they tend to freak out if they are serving a meal or something. I tend to just get what I want, be polite and few even notice. Even people I've dated have taken quite some time to notice. It's not my mission in life to talk about this or convert anyone.

Recently my daughter said she was thinking of going veggie. The biggest hitch is her father's cooking! LMAO! He is a very big meat eater and a great cook. Anyway I was tickled at the thought. You know sometimes it seems like al they want to do is oppose you and then something like this pops up.

*chuckles*

I guess she is my kid after all! Who knew?

Fury

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

I rarely tell anyone I am a veggie because they tend to freak out if they are serving a meal or something. I tend to just get what I want, be polite and few even notice. Even people I've dated have taken quite some time to notice. It's not my mission in life to talk about this or convert anyone.
Fury

I remember the sushi wars with Miss Jade. A certain Miss Fury flicking avocado around 'the room'......laughs.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Co-top? Me? *shakes head and blushes* I'm honored but there is NO WaY I'd waste an opportunity to feel what YOU would be like EG!

AND

FYI, da Bunny switches, too, but like Fury, there'd be no way in hell I'd pass up the opportunity to see what you're like.

Lets plan ahead then and meet in the middle...
I'll be in Atlanta the weekend of January 6th. janey, danielle and I will be going to 1763 on the 6th. It's a great facility, and although it is a private club, if you are not already a member you can, as an out-of-state visitor, purchase a one-time membership for $5.00.

For more info: http://www.1763.net

 

[BiBunny]

Lets plan ahead then and meet in the middle...
I'll be in Atlanta the weekend of January 6th. janey, danielle and I will be going to 1763 on the 6th. It's a great facility, and although it is a private club, if you are not already a member you can, as an out-of-state visitor, purchase a one-time membership for $5.00.

For more info: http://www.1763.net

I'm writing this down in my non-existent datebook. I'm less than two hours from Atlanta, anyway.

 

[SpectreT]

Damn SpecT you don't eat any of the good stuff huh. Seafood is our passion . In my family preferred over red meat , chicken etc by miles. Even the babies eat it from the solid food age . My son has eaten tuna and salmon sashimi since he was about 4. Must be living on the coast , affordability and parents that introduced it when we were so young.

I have never heard anyone describe seafood as you have before , well perhaps RJ once when we were discussing the baby octopus I was about to BBQ. Interesting topic .

Tuna and salmon are on the edible list - endoskeleton? Check. Spinal column? Check. They're on the list. It's the specific seafoods I mentioned that I have issues with.

And I have issues, in part, because all of them were big parts of many meals growing up. Sicilian ancestry = lots of seafood.