Eating Meat

[neonflux]

You and me both!

I couldn't do Atkins/low-carb simply because I'm a vegetarian. I don't think I want to eat that much eggs and tofu.

Secret about the tofu - was vegan for many years with soy serving as my primary source of protein and calcium - it gave me a thyroid condition that caused weight gain and that I've only recently gotten diagnosed and am recovering from... Feel free to PM me if you want more info. Neon

 

[Etoile]

Secret about the tofu - was vegan for many years with soy serving as my primary source of protein and calcium - it gave me a thyroid condition that caused weight gain and that I've only recently gotten diagnosed and am recovering from... Feel free to PM me if you want more info. Neon

I've been ovo-lacto for 13 years and not had any problems; I was vegan for six months for health reasons but didn't like it and was glad to go back on milk. I do love tofu but I don't think I eat quite that much of it - in fact less now than I used to now that I'm on a specific diet (non-Atkins).

 

[BiBunny]

You and me both!

I couldn't do Atkins/low-carb simply because I'm a vegetarian. I don't think I want to eat that much eggs and tofu.

I can't do low-carb because of my hypoglycemia. I tried several years ago. I made it five days before I passed out in the bathroom. I can't do most diets for this reason. They simply don't allow me to eat enough food to keep my sugar maintained. It'll go up when I eat (even when I eat properly), but it bottoms out quickly. Even spacing out six small meals a day doesn't cut it because by the evening, I've eaten all my allowable food for the day, and my sugar still drops. Ignoring the sugar drops brings on killer migraines--not that I don't get killer migraines when my sugar isn't low. So between being hypoglycemic and on the Depo shot, I've become a total fatass!

 

[FurryFury]

I've been ovo-lacto for 13 years and not had any problems; I was vegan for six months for health reasons but didn't like it and was glad to go back on milk. I do love tofu but I don't think I eat quite that much of it - in fact less now than I used to now that I'm on a specific diet (non-Atkins).

You and me both!

I couldn't do Atkins/low-carb simply because I'm a vegetarian. I don't think I want to eat that much eggs and tofu.

I'm very into carbs. Take em away and I'll dry up and blow away or so
they say . . .lol. Ovo - lacto for 46 fucking years right here folks. Yeah that's right I said it.

Fury

 

[lne_iii]

ovo-lacto?

 

[Auraka6669]

ovo-lacto?

Google is your friend.

 

[neonflux]

ovo-lacto?

vegetarian who eats eggs (ovo) and dairy products (lacto)

ovo-lacto-pesca
vegetarian who eats eggs, dairy products and seafood
(which technically to me doesn't really seem vegetarian...)

Neon

 

[Etoile]

vegetarian who eats eggs (ovo) and dairy products (lacto)

ovo-lacto-pesca
vegetarian who eats eggs, dairy products and seafood
(which technically to me doesn't really seem vegetarian...)

Neon

*bristles angrily*

I hate when people who eat fish suggest that they are vegetarian. They're not. Fish = meat. Seafood = meat. "I don't eat poultry or red meat" does not mean you are a vegetarian.

It's one of the few things I really do get mad about, that you can't sway me on. I am flexible about a lot of things, I can be convinced to change my mind on a lot of things. But FISH IS MEAT. If you eat fish, you are NOT a vegetarian. :angry:

 

[nymphee]

*bristles angrily*

I hate when people who eat fish suggest that they are vegetarian. They're not. Fish = meat. Seafood = meat. "I don't eat poultry or red meat" does not mean you are a vegetarian.

It's one of the few things I really do get mad about, that you can't sway me on. I am flexible about a lot of things, I can be convinced to change my mind on a lot of things. But FISH IS MEAT. If you eat fish, you are NOT a vegetarian. :angry:

I second you Etoile. What you have there is culinary genocide:

"You have fur or feathers, you many live. You have scales, you must die"

 

[neonflux]

*bristles angrily*

I hate when people who eat fish suggest that they are vegetarian. They're not. Fish = meat. Seafood = meat. "I don't eat poultry or red meat" does not mean you are a vegetarian.

It's one of the few things I really do get mad about, that you can't sway me on. I am flexible about a lot of things, I can be convinced to change my mind on a lot of things. But FISH IS MEAT. If you eat fish, you are NOT a vegetarian. :angry:

I think some people feel comfortable including it because of Japanese Buddhist dietary guidelines which allow everyone but monks/nuns to eat food that "doesn't walk on land." Also have some Jewish friends who I think feel comfortable including it because of how it fits into keeping Kosher (considered neutral, can eat it with dairy products or meat).

I don't get angry, necessarily, but I agree - you're definitely NOT a vegetarian. Like you said, flesh of any kind is meat - it was at one point part of a living thing...

Neon

 

[FurryFury]

I don't get upset about such things.

Fury

 

[Evil_Geoff]

I was going to go into this long, philosophical thing but I got fed up with it after about 10 false starts. Screw it.

There are 2 kinds of animals: Predators, and food.

Guess which one I am?
*weg*

 

[Marquis]

I was going to go into this long, philosophical thing but I got fed up with it after about 10 false starts. Screw it.

There are 2 kinds of animals: Predators, and food.

Guess which one I am?
*weg*

Stop it Geoff, if humans were meant to eat meat we'd have canines.

 

[Auraka6669]

Stop it Geoff, if humans were meant to eat meat we'd have canines.

We do have canines. The aren't as pronounced as other animals, but that doesn't stop us from having them. Humans were designed to be omnivorous. Healthy diets have both meat and "plant". Sure you can replace stuff... but this is very modern thought. (Actually I'm sure it's been done before, but without much explaination... or well documented)

Bottom line. We need protien, easiest place to get it is off meat. There are now well known alternatives, that doesn't change where we came from though.

PS. By not eating meat, you're not saving a life. That animal is already dead, and it's life is going to waste if you don't eat it. I don't endorse killing for the sake of killing... but yeah.

PPS. Be gentle with me [/hide]

 

[FurryFury]

We do have canines. The aren't as pronounced as other animals, but that doesn't stop us from having them. Humans were designed to be omnivorous. Healthy diets have both meat and "plant". Sure you can replace stuff... but this is very modern thought. (Actually I'm sure it's been done before, but without much explaination... or well documented)

Bottom line. We need protien, easiest place to get it is off meat. There are now well known alternatives, that doesn't change where we came from though.

PS. By not eating meat, you're not saving a life. That animal is already dead, and it's life is going to waste if you don't eat it. I don't endorse killing for the sake of killing... but yeah.

PPS. Be gentle with me [/hide]

I bet Marquis knows that and was joking.

However that being said, eating cow is not the most efficient use of planetary resources IMO.

I don't agree that all meat is already killed either. I think like everything the market is predicated on consumer demand.

I don't tell people not to eat meat though. I expect them not to tell me to eat meat.

Evil Geoff? I don't mind being food for some . . .

Fury

 

[SpectreT]

Heh.

Continuing the food hijack, is there some name for a person who won't eat the meat of an animal unless it had a bony skeleton including spinal column while it was alive? On a good day, I view lobsters and crabs as giant oceanic insects, way too gross to eat. Octopi and squid are too intelligent, and lack an endoskeleton. They scare me, and I feel guilty thinking about eating anything that can figure out how to unscrew a jar. Molluscs are just barely into the realm of what I would call alive. Semi-ambulatory snot isn't on my edible list. (there goes escargot, oysters, clams and mussels out the window) Insects - not even covered in chocolate.

Nope, it had to have a spine and bones in it, before I'll consider it an edible animal.

 

[Etoile]

I don't get upset about such things.

Fury

What can I say...I don't get angsty about much anymore, but this is just something that ruffles my feathers.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Heh.

Continuing the food hijack, is there some name for a person who won't eat the meat of an animal unless it had a bony skeleton including spinal column while it was alive?

SpectreT

 

[Marquis]

From a strictly moral perspective, I don't have a problem with eating animals, but I do have a problem with domestication.

Human beings are natural hunters, but reducing our prey to industrial meat sacks has to offend gaia. Occasionally I toy with the idea of only eating animals that are given the opportunity to live a natural life, which would be difficult, limiting and expensive.

 

[Marquis]

What can I say...I don't get angsty about much anymore, but this is just something that ruffles my feathers.

How do you justify drawing the line at eggs and milk then?

 

[Quint]

.............

 

[Netzach]

Heh.

Continuing the food hijack, is there some name for a person who won't eat the meat of an animal unless it had a bony skeleton including spinal column while it was alive?

Kosher if you also think pigs like to roll in poo.

 

[Netzach]

I think some people feel comfortable including it because of Japanese Buddhist dietary guidelines which allow everyone but monks/nuns to eat food that "doesn't walk on land." Also have some Jewish friends who I think feel comfortable including it because of how it fits into keeping Kosher (considered neutral, can eat it with dairy products or meat).

I don't get angry, necessarily, but I agree - you're definitely NOT a vegetarian. Like you said, flesh of any kind is meat - it was at one point part of a living thing...

Neon

Definitely not vegetarian, probably much healthier than most people if it wasn't for the mercury. There are a million reasons to forgo cow, pig, sheep, birds. None of which are worth the problems that I face if I decided that beans were a good thing in my life.

From an evolutionary human-animal standpoint, we're supposed to be eating tubers, leaves, and whatever is slow enough to catch. The bulk of the diet, being...

Leaves. Berries. Veggies.

Do any omnivore animals farm grain? Nooo. The presence of celiac-like sickness in grain-fed cattle is really interesting to me.

 

[Etoile]

How do you justify drawing the line at eggs and milk then?

When I said it ruffled my feathers, I didn't mean what the people are doing bothers me. Everybody can eat whatever they want, as far as I'm concerned. My objection is a linguistic one. You cannot eat fish and then call yourself a vegetarian. To be honest, the word "ovo-lacto" isn't necessary; if you don't eat eggs or milk then you probably have a different name: vegan. If you do, you're a vegetarian, the "ovo-lacto" is just a handy descriptor.

 

[neonflux]

Definitely not vegetarian, probably much healthier than most people if it wasn't for the mercury. There are a million reasons to forgo cow, pig, sheep, birds. None of which are worth the problems that I face if I decided that beans were a good thing in my life.

From an evolutionary human-animal standpoint, we're supposed to be eating tubers, leaves, and whatever is slow enough to catch. The bulk of the diet, being...

Leaves. Berries. Veggies.

Do any omnivore animals farm grain? Nooo.

I was vegetarian for 10 years, vegan for 5 of those - referencing The Marquis, more for environmental reasons than anything else - industrial animal and now fish farming does incalculable damage to the environment and is also extremely cruel...

It was not healthy for me. In the past 2 years have added small amounts of meat & fish back into my diet and have lost weight, reproductive problems have gone away, have more energy, lost my carb cravings...

Agree about the leaves, berries, tubers - bulk of my diet is still vegies, and I make sure my meat is organic / humanely raised / non-grainfed animals / wild seafood - more expensive, but feel morally ok with it because I eat small amounts and some organic animal husbandry (e.g., 100% range-fed beef) is actually good for the earth...

Neon