E-cigarettes?

[JoeRockStar]

Anyone on the board using e-cigarettes/personal vaporizers? Wife and I started using them the 1st week of this year and we're now down to 2-3 real cigarettes a day.

After almost 30 years of smoking, it's amazing how much better my lungs are feeling already! The slight wheeze I had at night is gone as is the morning cough that has plagued me for the last few years.

Anyone else using one or considering it? The ones they sell at the mall kiosks are JUNK, plenty of reputable vendors out there selling GREAT systems for 1/4 of the cost of the garbage units at the mall.

 

[koalabear]

E-mazing.

 

[JoeRockStar]

E-mazing.

Esn't Et?

 

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Is that the device where you exhale water vapor instead of smoke? What gives you the nicotine rush?

 

[TurdFergeson]

I'm on the 5-step method.

Cigars, chew, snuff, cloves, then finally e-cigs.

 

[JoeRockStar]

Is that the device where you exhale water vapor instead of smoke? What gives you the nicotine rush?

Yes, sort of. The liquid that's vaporized is either Propylene Glycol or Vegetable Glycerin based and can be purchased with or without nicotine. I'm using the high-strength nicotine liquid and you definitely get a nicotine "kick" from these things.

 

[Luk]

A girl I know just started on those and she swears by them.

 

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Yes, sort of. The liquid that's vaporized is either Propylene Glycol or Vegetable Glycerin based and can be purchased with or without nicotine. I'm using the high-strength nicotine liquid and you definitely get a nicotine "kick" from these things.

So you're still getting all the nicotine and probably more. OK, so the tar and carcinogens are not a factor anymore but you're still addicted. How expensive is switching the one addiction for another?

I'm not trying to be a bitch about it but I don't get how that's going to solve anything. Is the premise to use less and less?

 

[JoeRockStar]

So you're still getting all the nicotine and probably more. OK, so the tar and carcinogens are not a factor anymore but you're still addicted. How expensive is switching the one addiction for another?

I'm not trying to be a bitch about it but I don't get how that's going to solve anything. Is the premise to use less and less?

In short, they're much healthier and way cheaper than regular cigs.

After about an $80 initial investment, it's $1-2 per day compared to $5-6 for a pack of smokes nowadays. Nicotine by itself is NOT carcinogenic, it's the 4000+ other chemicals in cigarettes that give you cancer.

Not sure if I will ever quit the e-cigs, I really enjoy them and have yet to see any adverse health effects. In fact, my lungs feel better than they have in years.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I quit the old fashioned way.

I made a New Years resolution and had my last cigarette on New Years eve at 11:45 PM 5 years ago and haven't looked back.

As far as the E-smokes go, it's not the carcinogens that get you, it's the addictive nature of nicotine. You have traded one unhealthy addiction for a more healthy addiction. A step in the right direction, but your ultimate goal should be to quit altogether. Unless your only concern was getting cancer and not polluting your brain with addictive substances.

 

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In short, they're much healthier and way cheaper than regular cigs.

After about an $80 initial investment, it's $1-2 per day compared to $5-6 for a pack of smokes nowadays. Nicotine by itself is NOT carcinogenic, it's the 4000+ other chemicals in cigarettes that give you cancer.

Not sure if I will ever quit the e-cigs, I really enjoy them and have yet to see any adverse health effects. In fact, my lungs feel better than they have in years.

I know that. The problem is it's an addictive substance. Wouldn't you rather not have the nicotine, and subsequently, the addiction?

It's cool. At least the second hand smoke becomes a non issue for the rest of us. Are you allowed to use them where ordinarily smoking is illegal, say an elevator?

I'm not a born again, I swear. I'm just curious...

 

[TurdFergeson]

Actually, it's the fertilizer used to grow tobacco that is bad.

See: Puffing on Polonium:

" Critical support for this thesis is based upon experimental animal studies in which lung cancers that resemble adenocarcinomas are induced with as little as 15 rads of radioactive polonium, equal to one fifth the dosage inhaled by cigarette smokers who average two packs a day during a 25-year period."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3003925

 

[satyr66]

After about an $80 initial investment, it's $1-2 per day compared to $5-6 for a pack of smokes nowadays. Nicotine by itself is NOT carcinogenic, it's the 4000+ other chemicals in cigarettes that give you cancer.

First of all, where are you that you pay $5-$6 a pack? Wow. Around here a pack of cigs currently fetches between $8-$9 because the bankrupt state keeps piling on their BS taxes. Soon they will tax you if you spit on the sidewalk but that is another story for another thread..

Second of all, I find all of this smoking is evil crap to be a little bit ridiculous just like the prohibition era was with alcohol. Smoking relieves stress and that is a proven fact. I mean everyone that is alive is going to die somehow someday anyways. You can be in perfect health and accidentally step into traffic one day and get hit by a truck. What good does being fresh and smoking-free do for you then? Not a hell of a lot.

I know that I will probably get slammed by the anti-smoking nazis for expressing my views but I am sure that I am not alone. And for the record I am not some big chain smoker and only smoke 2 cigs a day but I would not trade that in for E-cigarettes whatever the hell those are or anything else. Tobacco has been smoked by human beings since ancient times and that is not going to change anytime soon.

 

[satyr66]

Actually, it's the fertilizer used to grow tobacco that is bad.

Have you ever been to North Carolina and had the chance to feel and smell actual tobacco leaves fresh off of the farm before they get processed? Mmmmmmmmmm...I am telling you man if there was a way to eat tobacco leaves instead of just smoking them I would. They almost feel like food. It is the man-made chemicals that they put into cigs which cause all of the negative health effects, not the tobacco itself.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

First of all, where are you that you pay $5-$6 a pack? Wow. Around here a pack of cigs currently fetches between $8-$9 because the bankrupt state keeps piling on their BS taxes. Soon they will tax you if you spit on the sidewalk but that is another story for another thread..

Second of all, I find all of this smoking is evil crap to be a little bit ridiculous just like the prohibition era was with alcohol. Smoking relieves stress and that is a proven fact. I mean everyone that is alive is going to die somehow someday anyways. You can be in perfect health and accidentally step into traffic one day and get hit by a truck. What good does being fresh and smoking-free do for you then? Not a hell of a lot.

I know that I will probably get slammed by the anti-smoking nazis for expressing my views but I am sure that I am not alone. And for the record I am not some big chain smoker and only smoke 2 cigs a day but I would not trade that in for E-cigarettes whatever the hell those are or anything else. Tobacco has been smoked by human beings since ancient times and that is not going to change anytime soon.

Yes, tobacco has been used for thousands of years. They thought it was a great thing, healthy in fact if you look at some of the old advertisements.

The point is not that you may die at any moment because of an accident, it's the fact that you're actively shortening your lifespan and putting yourself at risk of an early death due to your smoking.. Even two cigarettes a day. If it makes you happy and you don't mind shaving 20 or so years off of your lifespan then go for it. Personally, I quit because I want to spend as much time here with my wife and children as possible. Barring an unforeseen accident that should be another 40+ years.

As far as the tax thing goes.. Cry me a river, my health insurance premiums are higher because the company has to pay for excessive care for smokers poor health and spread the costs to me and my wife who has never smoked. There is a simple solution. If you dont' want to pay the tax, quit.

 

[TurdFergeson]

Have you ever been to North Carolina and had the chance to feel and smell actual tobacco leaves fresh off of the farm before they get processed? Mmmmmmmmmm...I am telling you man if there was a way to eat tobacco leaves instead of just smoking it I would. They are almost like food. It is the man-made chemicals that they put into cigs which cause all of the negative health effects, not the tobacco itself.

Psst: I used to chew Red Man.

And the chemicals man puts in are the phosphate-based fertilizers.

Cheaper than good old manure.

http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/cropsystems/dc6288.html

It's used in food, but the gastrointestinal tract doesn't trap the radioactive particles like the lungs do.

 

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First of all, where are you that you pay $5-$6 a pack? Wow. Around here a pack of cigs currently fetches between $8-$9 because the bankrupt state keeps piling on their BS taxes. Soon they will tax you if you spit on the sidewalk but that is another story for another thread..

Second of all, I find all of this smoking is evil crap to be a little bit ridiculous just like the prohibition era was with alcohol. Smoking relieves stress and that is a proven fact. I mean everyone that is alive is going to die somehow someday anyways. You can be in perfect health and accidentally step into traffic one day and get hit by a truck. What good does being fresh and smoking-free do for you then? Not a hell of a lot.

I know that I will probably get slammed by the anti-smoking nazis for expressing my views but I am sure that I am not alone. And for the record I am not some big chain smoker and only smoke 2 cigs a day but I would not trade that in for E-cigarettes whatever the hell those are or anything else. Tobacco has been smoked by human beings since ancient times and that is not going to change anytime soon.

Jeeze, where do I even begin?

You spit on the sidewalk? Taxation is too lenient for people who do that. Would you walk through a grocery store and spit down the aisle? Obviously, some shred of dignity and consciousness resides in most people. Or would you still do it if you wouldn't be escorted out the door?

Relieves stress? I'm willing to bet that the first day of Chemotherapy would be so stressful an entire pack wouldn't be enough to calm your nerves...

I'm not an antismoking Nazi. You do what you want with your space but when it invades mine, fuck off. I couldn't care less anyone's choice of demise. Just don't expect me to help foot the bill...

Sure, tobacco has been used in rituals and cultures since the dawn of time. It was pure and not contaminated by the chemicals and additives it consists of today...

 

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Have you ever been to North Carolina and had the chance to feel and smell actual tobacco leaves fresh off of the farm before they get processed? Mmmmmmmmmm...I am telling you man if there was a way to eat tobacco leaves instead of just smoking them I would. They almost feel like food.

You're not going to cum in this thread, are you?

 

[rosco rathbone]

I'm waiting for the tetra-hyrdro-cannabinol version.

 

[satyr66]

"Cry me a river, my health insurance premiums are higher because the company has to pay for excessive care for smokers poor health and spread the costs to me and my wife who has never smoked."

So would you rather pay higher premiums because of excessive care for workers who drove recklessly and got into car accidents or smoked marijuana or drank excessively instead? It's all relative man. If people didn't smoke to relieve stress they would do something else that you would have to pay health premiums for. That's life. No one is going to take away my 2 cigs a day.

 

[rosco rathbone]

You spit on the sidewalk?

Stay out of Chinatown...you'd hate it.

 

[satyr66]

You're not going to cum in this thread, are you?

Don't worry I will try and control myself...

But if you have ever smelled a ripe tobacco leaf fresh off of a tobacco farm BEFORE it gets processed or have even stood in the middle of a huge tobacco farm in North Carolina like I have then you will know what I mean. Its natural aroma is so enticing that you feel like it is food and want to eat it instead of smoke it. It is the man-made chemicals that are added when the tobacco gets processed into cigs that have the negative aspects and suck, not the tobacco plant itself. Most people don't understand that and they attack the plant itself which grows naturally.

 

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I'm waiting for the tetra-hyrdro-cannabinol version.

What a coincidence

Now, if I smoked 20 joints a day, that would be another story...

 

[satyr66]

I'm not an antismoking Nazi. You do what you want with your space but when it invades mine, fuck off.

Sure, tobacco has been used in rituals and cultures since the dawn of time. It was pure and not contaminated by the chemicals and additives it consists of today...

Well that's great because I'm not a smoking Nazi just like you aren't an anti-smoking Nazi. So when some people (not you) of your persuasion want to preach what everybody else should do and try to ban cigs from even being sold then that is invading my space and they can go fuck off as well. It works both ways.

The Indians had it right with smoking peace pipes which was tobacco only without any man-made chemicals added in.

 

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Stay out of Chinatown...you'd hate it.

I don't know about NY but I did Chinatown in San Francisco. I didn't notice any alpaca-like humans but I was more concerned with getting a good bowl of octopus...